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    Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    A few reasons why I think this manga has become less entertaining:


    - It lacks the mystery it used to have.

    I spent my days thinking about who the man under the mask could be, what the akatsuki where planning and why itachi killed his clan..
    Now there is nothing mysterious about this manga, nor is it thought provoking.

    - Unproved hype.

    Kakashi the copycat ninja - who copied over 1000 techniques... You'd expect kishi would at least show these techniques when he fights different people, not only would make it the fight scenes better and so much more entertaining, it would make kakashi so much more badass, yeah he has shown a few techniques but f**k the guy has over 1000 to pick from and he uses the same ones time and time again.

    Hiruzen the god of Shinobi - supposedly has mastered every Justus in the leaf village and yet kishi still makes him do a shuriken shadow clone technique against the strongest character in the Naruto universe.. I mean wtf.. (I hope kishi doesn't troll him and he gets a chance to prove himself)

    And last but not least...

    - The OPness.

    If you don't have: ms, ems, reningan, senju blood, sage power, teleporting techniques, unique power (gara, onoki etc) or the power of a tailed beast.. You might as well just sit the f**k down grab some popcorn, watch the show and accept the fodderness that kishi and his team have turned you into.

    The way I see it, you're either fodder or OP.
    Taijustu is useless now.
    Hand seals are all most non-existent now.

    It just feels like the whole Ninja-ness has been taken away.

    But with all that said, I'll still continue to watch/read it.

    Anyways that's just my thoughts, what do you guys reckon?
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    It lacking mystery is understandable since the series is nearing it's end.

    Hype is mostly just exaggeration, you're fault for taking it all literally.

    K11 just did something relevant, no one has the right to complain about OP anything for a while.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Imo it needs more plot twists.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Imo it needs more plot twists.
    Yeah I agree
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Imo it needs more plot twists.
    Why the hell would there be more plot twists at this point?

    Edit: I thought about it, and if he did it right, Kishi could fit a plot twist or two.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    The manga hasn't gone downhill IMO I'm still loving it and not over thinking it
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    It lacking mystery is understandable since the series is nearing it's end.

    Hype is mostly just exaggeration, you're fault for taking it all literally.

    K11 just did something relevant, no one has the right to complain about OP anything for a while.

    K11 without BM = fodder
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I agree on the mystery part.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaweb View Post
    The manga hasn't gone downhill IMO I'm still loving it and not over thinking it
    I just think it was better back in the day, and yeah I probably am over thinking it
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Why the hell would there be more plot twists at this point?

    Edit: I thought about it, and if he did it right, Kishi could fit a plot twist or two.
    To make it interesting?

    The potential for fighting hasn't been exploited by kishi at all, so I think he should at least make some interesting plot twists.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    It lacking mystery is understandable since the series is nearing it's end.

    Hype is mostly just exaggeration, you're fault for taking it all literally.

    K11 just did something relevant, no one has the right to complain about OP anything for a while.
    This. 10char
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Honestly that is how this type of manga needs to end. All the mysteries being explained it is amazing right now. I started reading naruto over last week and i am on chapter 330 now honestly chapters 600-651 are some of the most amazing chapters
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    If there were any mystery at this point it'd only be because Kishi is trying to force it.

    In Japanese culture it's very common to give someone a nickname like Copy Ninja and just exaggeration in general.

    And on the Opness: So? What interest would there be in a bunch of nobodies getting screen time? That's not interesting, it's time wasting.
     
         

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    If you don't like it , stop reading ! - hixa .
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by danksy View Post
    I just think it was better back in the day, and yeah I probably am over thinking it
    Just go with the flow . Back then we knew nothing compared to now. Make theories don't get mad at details like screen time, power etc. It's fictional a lot of people tend to forget that. If you do this I guarantee you'll enjoy the manga and anime better
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Yeah.. It feels like dbz in naruto style, power ups each episode and we know that power ups won't end soon. No appreciable tactics in fights..
    As you said, the ninja-ness is gone. u_u
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I agree whole-heartedly about it losing its ninja-ness. way back in volume 1 it was acceptable to remain hidden with a cloth that looked like a fence or w/e surroundings were there. Now its like "Hi guise... rasengan/raikiri/insert excessively show-offy jutsu here___!"

    I miss it, though zetsu did provide the necessary ninja status throughout the story.

    Also people getting annihilated, awesome. Then Kishi proceeds to dunk on any attempt to drive the plot or add dramatic effect by bringing the vast majority of people back -_-
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Punk- View Post
    If you don't like it , stop reading ! - hixa .
    Who said i don't like it? Just saying that it's lost its ninja way.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by danksy View Post
    Who said i don't like it? Just saying that it's lost its ninja way.


    I'm just busting your dragon balls man , NP , I agree with you ^___^ .
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    It lacking mystery is understandable since the series is nearing it's end.

    Hype is mostly just exaggeration, you're fault for taking it all literally.

    K11 just did something relevant, no one has the right to complain about OP anything for a while.
    valid point. I agree

    There is a grain of truth in every myth. Kakashi has shown what? two dozen jutsus? That's not enough for anyone to start spreading the rumor he had a thousand. Especially, since many seem to have that many techs as Kakashi does
    God of Shinobi was a title the Third earned via feats. He hasn't shown why he earned that title. That title should belong to the Third Raikage or Onooki.

    He has the right to speak his mind. Anyone from Harvard Professors to convicted criminals has the right to speak thier mind. Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he should be silent."I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."--Voltaire. Moreover, the reason you gave was a poor one. the K11 (10 - Sakura + Sai) were given a power-up by naruto. They were made temporarily OP. They were given the power of a tailed beast
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I agree with the OP-ness part.

    The story is near its end so everything will be revealed step by step.

    Kakashi performing some of copied 1000 jutsus, I agree with you to some extent. We haven't seen which jutsus he copied whether a low-level, mid-level or high-level. He copied Rasengan as well so there are some limitations for him which he cannot cross in the middle of the war just to drain his chakra reserves rapidly with no sign of damage to the opposite side. Now the question remains is how many high-level jutsus he has copied because of which Kishi is stopping him from using in the war.
    This can be compare with the food stuff. Even if you know or copy recipes of food, one cannot make them delicious as the original cook.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I still enjoy the Naruto manga, but I have a feeling it's only because of my curious personality, so I have to know what will happen next
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I agree. If there were more plot twists, people would call it asspulls and diss Kishi. That's how bad the average Naruto fans are.
     
         

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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    Manga may not be that engaging for many because of various reasons, but some make a career of fretting over every little thing because they wanted it to be written in some other way while Kishi had his own ideas.

    Over analyzing everything, looking for theories and expecting certain twist where none were needed, hanging on to every little word which may or may not be of importance ( since we do not even read the original manga but translations) arguing over it 24/7 is what makes one tire of a piece which was suppose to entertain us.

    I don't criticize what Kishi does plot-wise. It's his story and I love the way he presents it and where he want to go from here. I concentrate on moments and what a panel has to offer. I do read complaints but the alternative ideas people come with are often the worse cliche. Let me clear one thing- I am not saying Naruto is the best piece of literature out there ever written. Kishi can be criticized on various literary points but from what I see, people mostly complain because Kishi didn't write it the way they wanted him to write.

    Some wanted more panel time and awesome action from their favourite characters; some were disappointed because their theories didn't come true; some wanted more romance and some more angst and tragedies. Some people even compare it to a small war arc( which they think was big because of total number of characters involved) in another manga while totally missing that that war fit more with Gara rescue arc than a shinobi world war.( war with a specific simple goal and preparation for the next part of the story and character development not as a climax of the story.) Different kind of stories shouldn't be compared especially on chapter to chapter basis. But , if we read it in a novelized form instead of serialized one and review it as a whole in the end, chances are high that we will find it an interesting and well written manga over all.

    Kishi started to work on it somewhere in 1996. It's been a long time since then and he put a lot of efforts in it. The theme itself had to reach it's climax when the mysteries are solved/explained and not any major twists are likely to happen especially if they follow all the shonen rules, i.e. they cannot really let Madara win. If any twist is there it will probably be a minor one like Naruto may not be a hokage. We may hope that Sakura beats up Sasuke for a change but even that will not a be a major twist.

    I don't know if Kishi has some self imposed or editor imposed time constraints and has to finish this manga but people need to calm down.

    As another member put it somewhere else on this site:

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    There's what Kishi wants, and there's what I want. What I want doesn't trump or affect what Kishi wants. The man has earned some rest. For those of us who've been following Naruto for so many years need to accept some things. That said, I'm not clairvoyant. The best thing Kishi can do is finish this arc with passion, care, and attention to detail. Go out with a bang. He's got all the character present to do so. Unfortunately, even the most reasonable of fans may ask too much. I just hope Kishi goes out with as much passion and care as he came in with.
    Even if if it's not that big a bang, it was fun journey reading this manga and I would look forward to another piece by this writer if he started it.
     
         
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    Re: Why I think the manga has gone down hill.

    I agree with Ira and the guy leafeater, for some factual reasons. There's no denying it.
    Kishi is making his way towards the end and he is trying to put much efforts in the current War arc for the fans to entertain without missing the main purpose of the Story. But we fans for some reason are only focusing on the unnecessary parts without realizing the main points of the current situation.
     
         

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