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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Great theory bro.It is well-structured and interesting.I have never noticed that the juubi has similarities with the hyuuga.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    wow
    just
    wow.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Nice theory, mate, makes sense, but whats bad here is that Kishi could have did something explaining all these relations, not sure why he didnt, but again, great theory:D
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    I find that the theory is to long to comment on every single part, so
    ill just choose some parts.

    Tbh, plenty of info on your theory sounds good, but there are also some parts which feel forced.
    They feel a bit like you see what you want to see.

    For example Juubi using gentle fist. He could just as much have given a physical punch.
    There isnt any proof that it was gentle fist.
    Same goes for stuff like having a blind spot (both Juubi and Obito-jinchuriki).
    There is no proof given. It could be something else just as much.
    The Uzumaki and Hyuuga logo's on the gedo seem to be in that category too,
    because chakra and smoke in general, is sometimes drawn in a way that looks like the design
    on Hinata's shoulder (look at the following poofs of smoke on Naruto's kage bunshin for example).


    Seeing how the Juubi is made of nature energy, Madara and Obito could have
    felt with the Juubi, where Shikaku, Inoichi, Ao, Mabui etc. were. Nowhere
    can we read proof that it was done with Byakugan like long range vision.

    I do find things like the 8 trigrams name on Naruto's seal and the Hyuuga
    having those words in their abilities, a strong point that links them though.
    The sun painting in the back behind the sage, feels like a strong point too,
    seeing how Hyuuga means towards the sun.

    I agree with a few points that you made and not with all,
    because several Hyuuga related links, could just as much be
    something else imo.
     
         
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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by tysoncs View Post
    Thankz all of u for appreciation!

    No..mangekyo sharingan cant copy ninjutsu..although it allows to see the chakra...have u ever seen kakashi copying ninjutsu with mangekyo sharingan?

    Buddy i said the sage possessed power of byakugaon!
    i said juubi had the mixture of all dojutsus!
    u got it wrong..wel i will prove u something else in the part-ii of this theory..just wait!

    wel...its not mentioned in the manga dat juubi can see chakra nodes...so i didnt told that..i just said he can see chakra within a person..i assumed the similarity in the mechanism of viewing their chakra bcz juubi posess the abilties of byakugan too!
    ur right about the gentle fist...but wrong about the rotation!
    May be if taken in another view juubi must be trying to pull back its opponents with his physical attacks..
    in both cases chakra is rotated...in case of neji he rotates his body to rotate the chakra released and in case of juubi he just rotates it without spinning his body..so they are a bit similar..i already said it earlier..u must read in wiki about juubi's strom attack..u will get it!
    Its never actually stated that the Sharingan's normal techniques are locked while using the Mangekyou Sharingan. Thus, the point about how we never see Kakashi use it to copy jutsu is invalid. The Juubi did not use any form of rotation, it used a jutsu called Tenpenchii which creates natural disasters (Tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, thunderstorms) by affecting the natural world around it with itself as the epicentre to cause destruction on a massive scale. So no, Chakra is not being rotated. It's simply affecting the natural environment on a massive scale.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by Shodai Hokage View Post
    Great theory bro.It is well-structured and interesting.I have never noticed that the juubi has similarities with the hyuuga.
    thankz budy for appreciation!
    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaMadara01 View Post
    wow
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    yo..thankz ..
    Quote Originally Posted by The7thHokage View Post
    Nice theory, mate, makes sense, but whats bad here is that Kishi could have did something explaining all these relations, not sure why he didnt, but again, great theory:D
    yeh i see dat..i tried hard though!
    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    I find that the theory is to long to comment on every single part, so
    ill just choose some parts.

    Tbh, plenty of info on your theory sounds good, but there are also some parts which feel forced.
    They feel a bit like you see what you want to see.

    For example Juubi using gentle fist. He could just as much have given a physical punch.
    There isnt any proof that it was gentle fist.
    Same goes for stuff like having a blind spot (both Juubi and Obito-jinchuriki).
    There is no proof given. It could be something else just as much.
    The Uzumaki and Hyuuga logo's on the gedo seem to be in that category too,
    because chakra and smoke in general, is sometimes drawn in a way that looks like the design
    on Hinata's shoulder (look at the following poofs of smoke on Naruto's kage bunshin for example).


    Seeing how the Juubi is made of nature energy, Madara and Obito could have
    felt with the Juubi, where Shikaku, Inoichi, Ao, Mabui etc. were. Nowhere
    can we read proof that it was done with Byakugan like long range vision.

    I do find things like the 8 trigrams name on Naruto's seal and the Hyuuga
    having those words in their abilities, a strong point that links them though.
    The sun painting in the back behind the sage, feels like a strong point too,
    seeing how Hyuuga means towards the sun.

    I agree with a few points that you made and not with all,
    because several Hyuuga related links, could just as much be
    something else imo.
    although the points which u disagreed with were my assumption a bit!
    i realized dat later...however the rotation part was right..
    Quote Originally Posted by iiPyromaniac View Post
    Its never actually stated that the Sharingan's normal techniques are locked while using the Mangekyou Sharingan. Thus, the point about how we never see Kakashi use it to copy jutsu is invalid. The Juubi did not use any form of rotation, it used a jutsu called Tenpenchii which creates natural disasters (Tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, thunderstorms) by affecting the natural world around it with itself as the epicentre to cause destruction on a massive scale. So no, Chakra is not being rotated. It's simply affecting the natural environment on a massive scale.
    i m done with u...i cant explain u further!i already said juubi didnt rotate he just rotated the chakra around environment!
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkie Uchiha View Post
    Neji = Juubi
    lol...not that hype!
    Quote Originally Posted by naruko uzumaki View Post
    But he used most of your theory didn't he?He didn't credited you properly.dattebayo!
    i only credited for the part which i copied i didnt copied the whole one...just read it properly!dat was only the half of 3rd point!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    How sage got Byakugan??
    And what makes you say that juubi had the mixture of all dojutsus??
    Please prove it...
    i can...but this would take much time...i will say it to u in another theory!i mean in part-2 of this theory!
    Hint:- u have to compare all the abilties dat juubi used against the shinobis!
    those abilties constitued of MS techs,six-path jutsus,byakugan techs..u can just look dat on manga chaps..
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    The title made me laugh.
    Juubi felt in love with a girl named Hyuga , the beauty and the beast , I won't imagine how they did get childs.
    Don't use "descendants" here , just a little reflexion , you did the same mistake in the conclusion.
    I think you re-read the title and the conclusion but ...



    I hate when you say "related to" , that means nothing.Hyuga related to rikudou , do you mean descendants now?
    There is "related to" and "directly related to" and that seems to be different for you.What does that mean?
    Everybody is related to anybody , everything is related to anything.
    It's so vague that I don't want to believe you.3/4 conclusions contains "related to"...So you conclued nothing.
    I can deduce your conclusion 1) , 2) and 4) , by saying " Hyuga have chakra".
    You see how much powerfull are your conclusions.
    I can affirm that Nara clan is related to SO6P , with one phrase , they have chakra...
    You are just playing on words.You didn't get me.

    Be clear.
    What is your hypothesis?
    Hyuga is a son of SO6P?
    SO6P is an ero-sennin?


    There was a good job made , but too much pre-oriented and too vague.
     
         
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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by tysoncs View Post
    I didnt say uchihas arent related to juubi...i said dey are indirectly related...stop asking dumb questions..
    I'm not sure whether I'm the one asking dumb questions or you're the one making dump assumptions, but Uchiha ARE directly related to the Juubi, just like the Senju. The Sharingan is one fine example which manifests the user's hatred in the same way as the Juubi.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    chakra user = related to juubi.
    direct or indirect , I'm sure you don't know what you are talking about.
    What do you mean when you say "directly related to"?
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidou View Post
    chakra user = related to juubi.
    direct or indirect , I'm sure you don't know what you are talking about.
    What do you mean when you say "directly related to"?
    Yes, I know what I'm talking about. It's just logic. While the Juubi is the chakra source, and the Rikudou Sennin inhabits it's chakra means that they're directly related DNA-wise. And Uchiha are also have a part of Rikudou Sennin, his eyes. So, through Rikudou Sennin, the Juubi is related to both Uchiha and Senju, who have Rikudou's body.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Guys, it's time to let it go....
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by miromiro View Post
    Yes, I know what I'm talking about. It's just logic. While the Juubi is the chakra source, and the Rikudou Sennin inhabits it's chakra means that they're directly related DNA-wise. And Uchiha are also have a part of Rikudou Sennin, his eyes. So, through Rikudou Sennin, the Juubi is related to both Uchiha and Senju, who have Rikudou's body.
    Direct= DNA wise, ok thanks , but be clear next times.
    There is nothing that proves that Juubi's DNA was mixed with Hagoromo DNA.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidou View Post
    Direct= DNA wise, ok thanks , but be clear next times.
    There is nothing that proves that Juubi's DNA was mixed with Hagoromo DNA.
    Sorry for expressing mistakenly.
    There is proof that Juubi's DNA is in Hagoromo's. Kaguya ate the fruit of the God Tree (Juubi) and gained holy power (chakra), and Hagoromo was the first human born with chakra, which comes from the Juubi. The Rinnegan is a manifestation of the Juubi's chakra.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    This is how i believe Hyuuga came about:

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    I am here to give my theory of why the elder son dojutsu lead to the foundation of Sharingan and Byakugan at full explanation. Some of you probably read my old theory of this but this is more detailed version.

    Enjoy





    I believe this dojutsu has been divided into the Sharingan and Byakugan through out the time. Now why do i believe that?



    as we all know, the Elder Son descendants became the Uchiha, so that means the Sharingan did derive from the Elder Son dojutsu.

    But what about the Byakugan:


    Yes i know all of you are gonna say Kakashi has been proven wrong but lets analyze this scan logically:

    The only things Kakashi was wrong about are:
    -Hyuuga are the oldest bloodline clan in konoha
    -Sharingan came from byakugan

    However he wasn't wrong about how the Uchiha and Hyuuga are some how related to each other. Their abilities to use Yin powers and dojutsu is a proof that Hyuuga did descend from the Elder Son through this scan:



    SO6P was divided into Yin and Yang.

    Yin = Dojutsu + Spiritual Energy +Powerful Chakra = Elder Son.


    Also the Hyuuga seem to possess immense hatred like the Uchiha do but inferior as the fact Neji was influenced by destiny of the Hyuuga clan the same way the Uchiha are influenced by jealousy as seen through Sasuke.

    If we were to take the statements Elder Son descendants come are the uchiha in conjunction with Kakashi statement, the most logical and accurate meaning of the context we can come up with is that Uchiha and Hyuuga are cousins of the same family branch and that the Elder Son dojutsu and bloodline divided into these 2 clans the same way the Uzumaki and Senju related and the same way SO6P bloodline divided into the Elder and Younger Sons.

    Thank You...Madara Rules
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    It took me quite a time to read this but it was worth it
    Really impressive work was done ^^
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    I read through the entire thing and I don't really agree with any of it. Sorry
    Nice effort and work though!
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by tysoncs View Post

    U r wrong there was no chakra dat time surrounding juubi's hands..kurama himself states dat juubi is really fast:

    hyuuga's fighting style is a way similar to juubi..bcz there techniques juubi uses based upon chakra nodes...see my pic in theory point no.7 in abitlies comparison!
    I said its similar not exact...
    And i said hyuugas are direct descendants of juubi...bcz of their relation to s06p which makes it more convenient!
    have u even read my 3rd point?


    The fighting style of the Hyuuga's is based off of their ability to see chakra nodes. much similar to juubi..juubi targets its enemies by sensing and seeing his enemies' chakra...
    Juubi's main target became naruto when he saw the bijuu's chakra inside him:

    He targeted the whole shinobi alliance by sensing their chakra:see what 8-tails says here:



    Thankz for appreciation!

    I would try my best next time..exams are near!

    thankz for agreeing!

    thankz buddy...

    ok..thankz for extended info..i will add this to my theory..reps to u!

    Hey. Well, I don't really get your first sentence in your reply to me. You say I am wrong, and immediately say that there was no chakra surrounding the Juubi's hand during its punch, which is literally exactly what I said to begin with.
    "Yes, the juubi punched its enemy, but was there a huge ball of chakra surrounding its hand? I didnt see one. Not the gentle fist, but a punch." (sorry. my whole post was worded strangely. Not sure what I was on lol.)

    Yes, the fighting styles are similar. The rotation, the ability to see chakra flow, the punch... But, the ability to see the chakra flow and the punch were not similar in Purpose.

    A Hyuuga's gentle fist is used to block the flow of chakra by hitting chakra nodes. The Juubi's punch was just meant to deal damage. The ability to see the flow of chakra was used as the basis of the Hyuuga's fighting style; whereas the Juubi's fighting style is determined by the most efficient way to wipe put the enemy. It did not use its ability to see the flow of chakra as part of an attack, it just sensed that Naruto has a large amount of chakra that was originally the Juubi's, and it pissed it off. But, the Juubi's fighting style is to drain the enemy of all its chakra to both kill the enemy and retrieve the stolen chakra. It used a direct physical attack on Naruto to damage him, and used the storm to attempt to kill off fodder...


    So, yes. The Hyuuga and the Juubi's attacks that were highlighted by your post looked similar. But they are not at all the same.

    Plus, even IF the Hyuuga's are direct descendants of the Sage of Six Paths, how would that make the Hyuuga's direct descendants of the Juubi? ... Rikudo did not have children with the Juubi... And your reasoning that Since there are little symbols that somewhat resemble the Hyuuga's Clan Symbol On the Gedo Mazou itself, then the Hyuuga's MUST be decentants...


    The Juubi's only "descendants" are things that come directly from It. Like, Zetsu, who were made by Madara through the Gedo Mazou, or, the Juubi's body. Also, the Tailed Beasts. Literally the chakra of the beast.

    What you are saying is like saying Tsunade is a descendant of the Kyuubi because her grandfather had sex with the Kyuubi Jinjuriki. ... No. that is not true. At all.

    A tree cannot have a human descendant.
     
         
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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by tysoncs View Post
    thankz budy for appreciation!

    yo..thankz ..

    yeh i see dat..i tried hard though!

    although the points which u disagreed with were my assumption a bit!
    i realized dat later...however the rotation part was right..

    i m done with u...i cant explain u further!i already said juubi didnt rotate he just rotated the chakra around environment!

    lol...not that hype!

    i only credited for the part which i copied i didnt copied the whole one...just read it properly!dat was only the half of 3rd point!

    i can...but this would take much time...i will say it to u in another theory!i mean in part-2 of this theory!
    Hint:- u have to compare all the abilties dat juubi used against the shinobis!
    those abilties constitued of MS techs,six-path jutsus,byakugan techs..u can just look dat on manga chaps..
    You said the Juubi rotated Chakra not around himself but the environment, I said there was no actual chakra rotation because the Juubi simply manipulated nature, not chakra, on a massive scale with the technique Tenpenchii. The Juubi didn't rotate chakra in any way, shape or form. It roared which is how Tenpenchii is used. Thats not the rotation of chakra.
     
         

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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    It's highly unlikely he was born with it, and not to mention the rinnegan bares a strong resemblance to the Juubi's eye. And you're just gonna tell me it's a coincidence that the man who defeated the Juubi just so happens to have eyes that resemble the beast's own eyes.
    His mother ate the fruit. What is a fruit supposed to do? Fruits are the means in which many flowering plants reproduce. So clearly the forbidden fruit contains the blueprint for the Juubi's contruction, it's genetic code.

    Well, the mother ate this fruit containing the Juubi's DNA. She had a huge power up and also genetic changes to the point of developing horns. It is likely that much of the Juubi's DNA mixed with hers.

    She gave birth to Hagaromo, who must have had inherited large portions of the Juubi's DNA. No coincidence here. It's perfectely logical for Hagaromo to be born with the Rinnegan.
     
         
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    Re: Hyuuga Clan:The Direct Descendants Of Juubi[Final Update]

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    This is how i believe Hyuuga came about:
    I like the hypothesis that the elder son of Hagoromo is the one who started the primary and secondary branches in his family ( blood selection , elder is better , him being the elder son ).
    The elder son had 2 sons : the elder named Hyuga , the younger named Uchiha.Hyuga primary , Uchiha secondary.

    That would fit Kakashi's statements ( If the elder son of Hagoromo had his child Hyuga before the younger son had his child Senju ):
    -Uchiha origins lies with Hyuga.
    -Hyuga clan is the oldest clan of the leaf.


    But I don't like the idea of Uzumaki and Senju being brothers at some point.
    Cause Hashirama Senju got at least one child with Mito Uzumaki.Even if it is 20 generations later , that looks strange.
    We never saw a Hyuga fall in love with a Uchiha.

    Uzumaki and Senju are distant blood relatives , the link blood-wise is very little.

    If Uzumaki are not descendants of SO6P , that would implie that Uzumaki was given some senju DNA and the ability to mix chakra...( nunoboko sword? )
     
         
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