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    It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

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    Gaara
    1.Attacks leaf village
    2.Kills innocent people
    3.Kills for fun

    Redeems by

    becoming the kazekage and defending the mist

    Sasuke
    1.Attacks the Kages
    2.Kills samurai ( with Warning)
    3.Tries to capture bee
    4.Joins akatsuki

    Should forgiven because
    1.Kills Itachi ( who people believed was a villan)
    1.5 Kills deidara who was a villan
    2.Kills Orochimaru who tried to destory the village
    3.Summoned all hokages and the only reason why the alliance are giving a fight is because of him.
    4.Him and Itachi stopped edo tensei and saved alot of people
    5.Stopped Kabuto
    6.Helped kill Obito
    7.Saved Naruto from Obito
    So don't you think its really stupid if he does not get forgiven?
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Honestly, who cares?

    They don't know what he's been through, he's not under some obligation to prove himself to them.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Raekwon26 View Post
    Honestly, who cares?

    They don't know what he's been through, he's not under some obligation to prove himself to them.
    Thats why i think it would be a good chance for ino telepathy to do it .


    Instead of naruto corny heart feelings (i dont hate naruto but that was stupid imo) i hope people understand sasuke more


    But part of me doesnt want them to know . Only important people like sakura and tsunade
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

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    Gaara
    1.Attacks leaf village
    2.Kills innocent people
    3.Kills for fun

    Redeems by

    becoming the kazekage and defending the mist

    Sasuke
    1.Attacks the Kages
    2.Kills samurai ( with Warning)
    3.Tries to capture bee
    4.Joins akatsuki

    Should forgiven because
    1.Kills Itachi ( who people believed was a villan)
    1.5 Kills deidara who was a villan
    2.Kills Orochimaru who tried to destory the village
    3.Summoned all hokages and the only reason why the alliance are giving a fight is because of him.
    4.Him and Itachi stopped edo tensei and saved alot of people
    5.Stopped Kabuto
    6.Helped kill Obito
    7.Saved Naruto from Obito
    So don't you think its really stupid if he does not get forgiven?
    1. gaara was just tools which manipulated by oro. 2. no one hated sasuke like gaara. 3. gaara killed peoples under shukaku influence. 4. sasuke clan planned revolution and received punishment for this. 5. sasuke betray village and joining to orochimaru. 6.sasuke want kill all innocent villagers. 7. want to kill team seven without normal reason. 8.sasuke just help itachi with kabuto and edo tensei. 9.sasuke attack on bee one of the important reason of juubi revive. 10. naruto saves sasuke too. 11. sasuke want to kill naruto. 12. orochimaru summoned hokages,not sasuke.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by fayeon View Post
    Thats why i think it would be a good chance for ino telepathy to do it .


    Instead of naruto corny heart feelings (i dont hate naruto but that was stupid imo) i hope people understand sasuke more


    But part of me doesnt want them to know . Only important people like sakura and tsunade
    Sasuke would never allow for that.
    He isn't like Naruto, somebody who CONSTANTLY wants a pity party held in his honor.

    His business is his business, but if he is actually serious about that Hokage nonsense, certain people need to know what he's been through.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Raekwon26 View Post
    Sasuke would never allow for that.
    He isn't like Naruto, somebody who CONSTANTLY wants a pity party held in his honor.
    dafuq? this sasuke which always whining about "you dont know hatred" and other emo nonsense.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    *Nods head in agreement*
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    No, why should they forgive him.

    A killer who saves a few people is still a killer. A few good deeds don't change what he has done, Shikamaru openly noted that they will not forget what he has done.

    Ted Bundy helped people but does that change that he was a serial killer.

    Orochimaru is helping as well, maybe they should forgive him for experimenting on babies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raekwon26 View Post
    Sasuke would never allow for that.
    He isn't like Naruto, somebody who CONSTANTLY wants a pity party held in his honor.

    His business is his business, but if he is actually serious about that Hokage nonsense, certain people need to know what he's been through.

    Oh please, have you even read the manga, Sasuke spends half the manga saying that no one understands him, he is like a child throwing a tantrum.

    A tragic backstory doesn't make him better then other people, he needs to grow up and learn this. Naruto has never once asked for a pity party, he instead rises above his past.
     
         
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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    No, why should they forgive him.

    A killer who saves a few people is still a killer. A few good deeds don't change what he has done, Shikamaru openly noted that they will not forget what he has done.

    Ted Bundy helped people but does that change that he was a serial killer.

    Orochimaru is helping as well, maybe they should forgive him for experimenting on babies.




    Oh please, have you even read the manga, Sasuke spends half the manga saying that no one understands him, he is like a child throwing a tantrum.

    A tragic backstory doesn't make him better then other people, he needs to grow up and learn this. Naruto has never once asked for a pity party, he instead rises above his past.
    He doesn't care about anybodies opinions about him and his past. He doesn't tell anybody about it because it's his business. He tells people who try to understand to not waste his or their time. He doesn't go on some long soliloquy telling every and anybody about his past.

    Show me scans of him always telling people about his past?

    Naruto? Every fcking villain it's the same BULLSHIT. 'I was alone, i'm alone, I have no friends, I was sad, I have dreams'
    He's doing that bullshit right now.
    Of course he 'overcame' it. He's the fcking Protagonist. The Manga is named after him. He's shown to OVERCOME EVERYTHING.

    Don't give me this rubbish about growing up, unless you have been in his exact same shoes and are speaking from experience, quiet that down.

    I'm so sick of people like this acting like Sasuke should be like Naruto. Fck that.
    They ain't same person. Never will be.
     
         
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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Sasuke doesn't care what they think right now
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    naruto use past memory only 5 times in whole series. sasuke use past memory as justification for all his actions.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Wasn't Gaara made Kazekage so that the Sand's council or whatever could keep an eye on him? Or something?
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by HaterFtw View Post
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    Gaara
    1.Attacks leaf village
    2.Kills innocent people
    3.Kills for fun

    Redeems by

    becoming the kazekage and defending the mist

    Sasuke
    1.Attacks the Kages
    2.Kills samurai ( with Warning)
    3.Tries to capture bee
    4.Joins akatsuki

    Should forgiven because
    1.Kills Itachi ( who people believed was a villan)
    1.5 Kills deidara who was a villan
    2.Kills Orochimaru who tried to destory the village
    3.Summoned all hokages and the only reason why the alliance are giving a fight is because of him.
    4.Him and Itachi stopped edo tensei and saved alot of people
    5.Stopped Kabuto
    6.Helped kill Obito
    7.Saved Naruto from Obito
    So don't you think its really stupid if he does not get forgiven?
    And he freed Anko from the CS
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Spacey orange View Post
    naruto use past memory only 5 times in whole series. sasuke use past memory as justification for all his actions.
    past memory is there another kind of memory. Naruto uses that every single tnj and every time he thinks about Sasuke.

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    No, why should they forgive him.

    A killer who saves a few people is still a killer. A few good deeds don't change what he has done, Shikamaru openly noted that they will not forget what he has done.

    Ted Bundy helped people but does that change that he was a serial killer.

    Orochimaru is helping as well, maybe they should forgive him for experimenting on babies.




    Oh please, have you even read the manga, Sasuke spends half the manga saying that no one understands him, he is like a child throwing a tantrum.

    A tragic backstory doesn't make him better then other people, he needs to grow up and learn this. Naruto has never once asked for a pity party, he instead rises above his past.
    NO, Sasuke is extremely stoic character. He tells people to not bother trying to understand him.

    You're point about Sasuke crimes being unforgivable is invalid based on the past actions of the Leaf. You're putting into context of the real world. Naruto is not in the real world. It is in a constructed world.

    After Sasuke betrayed his village, joined a missing-nin and repeatedly tried to kill Leaf-nin (especially Naruto). Tsunade was willing to forgive him. After he killed Orochimaru, Diedara, and Itachi, some random Leaf-nin were willing to not only forgive but also to reward him. Now, Sasuke has tried to kill ninjas repeatedly again and joined another missing-nin. Then he killed White Zetsu, helped defeat Kabuto which saved the Alliance, brought back Hokage which repeatedly saved the Alliance, and defeated Obito. You expect them to forget about him saving 10,000s of lives repeatedly (directly and indirectly) because Sasuke attacked the Alliance and killed some samurai. If the pattern holds, they would be willing to forgive him.

    Mifune; doesn't seem to care at all. though of all the leaders, he has the most reason to hate Sasuke
    Raikage: was last seen randomly doubting his beliefs which previously prevented him from forgiving Sasuke. So, he's a character who disagrees with the protagonist and is doubting himself. tnj is inevitable
    Mei and Ohonki: don't care about Sasuke, they could go either way. Ohonki mentioned whoever stopped ET was a hero.
    Gaara and Tsunade: will probably try to save Sasuke

    even in our world (a world not nearly as ludicrously idealistic as Naruto's), criminals are awarded full pardons for actions they have committed that benefited the government. I forget his name but I remember watching a documentary about a flipping Mafia boss who used his resources to aid the Allies in the Invasion of Sicily in WW2 (while horribly using men as slaves in mines), he got a full pardon.

    conclusion: Sasuke has saved many lives at this point and has been invaluable to the war effort. That should count for something. If he doesn't get a full pardon, he should get something.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by HaterFtw View Post
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    Gaara
    1.Attacks leaf village
    2.Kills innocent people
    3.Kills for fun

    Redeems by

    becoming the kazekage and defending the mist

    Sasuke
    1.Attacks the Kages
    2.Kills samurai ( with Warning)
    3.Tries to capture bee
    4.Joins akatsuki

    Should forgiven because
    1.Kills Itachi ( who people believed was a villan)
    1.5 Kills deidara who was a villan
    2.Kills Orochimaru who tried to destory the village
    3.Summoned all hokages and the only reason why the alliance are giving a fight is because of him.
    4.Him and Itachi stopped edo tensei and saved alot of people
    5.Stopped Kabuto
    6.Helped kill Obito
    7.Saved Naruto from Obito
    So don't you think its really stupid if he does not get forgiven?
    Forgiven?
    Sasuke, like it or not, is a killer.
    Im sure that the killed samurai's families wont feel any better because someone from the akatsuki is dead.
    The world is leaded (or should be) by rules: if you kill, you have to pay for your crime. Killing someone else doesnt take their blood off his hands.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by HaterFtw View Post
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    Gaara
    1.Attacks leaf village
    2.Kills innocent people
    3.Kills for fun

    Redeems by

    becoming the kazekage and defending the mist

    Sasuke
    1.Attacks the Kages
    2.Kills samurai ( with Warning)
    3.Tries to capture bee
    4.Joins akatsuki

    Should forgiven because
    1.Kills Itachi ( who people believed was a villan)
    1.5 Kills deidara who was a villan
    2.Kills Orochimaru who tried to destory the village
    3.Summoned all hokages and the only reason why the alliance are giving a fight is because of him.
    4.Him and Itachi stopped edo tensei and saved alot of people
    5.Stopped Kabuto
    6.Helped kill Obito
    7.Saved Naruto from Obito
    So don't you think its really stupid if he does not get forgiven?
    3. Orochimaru Summoned Hokages due Sasuke's decision, one that could save Konoha, OR DESTROY IT. So this point is kind of invalid, the effects could be the inverse depending on former Hokage's answer. The ones who truly saved the alliance here were not Sasuke, it was Hashirama Senju's TnJ.

    5. The one who did this was Itachi's Izanami and Itachi's cleverness to predict Kabuto's movements. Sasuke was almost captured in this battle due Kabuto's Sage Genjutsu abilities.

    7. And Naruto saved Sasuke from Obito as well, so they're even on this.

    Discarding these reasons, I still think it would be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke, because the other reasons you gave are valid.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    who cares about sasuke ? ..... lol.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    I think it be stupid if they forgive Sasuke. You use the parallel of Garaa, but Gaara was a internal problem of the sand village, and it wasn't really his fault. As the tail beast was influencing most of Gaara attack on any innocent.

    I would have forgivn Sasuke myself, if he had continued his reign of not killing anybody but Itachi, and maybe even Danzo. However when he slaughtered the Samuari, at the summit, and when he killed Karin (who would have died, if Sakura hadn't saved her), he lost all be respect.

    When I look at an overview of the Naruto manga, and the talk of the cycle of hatred that exist in the ninja world.
    I see two people that are at the for front of this.

    For one, Naruto who has been spoken as the one to end this cycle of hatred. And his choice would change the world forever. I think this choice happened when he decided not to kill Pain. After all Pain had done, killed many villagers, killed Kakashi and Jiraya. Naruto still forgave him. Thus ending the cycle of hatred on Naruto's part.

    The other for front, is Sasuke, but also in conjection is Madara. Which I feel Sasuke at some point, will take over where Madara has failed, or when he does fail. Sasuke choice to continue the cycle of hatred was with his fight with Danzo. Sasuke choose not to forgive, even though I can't blame him for not forgiving. He still continued the cycle of hatred. Sasuke is on a vendetta to kill the elders, but what about the elders families, or even Danzo's decedant's ,if he has any. Then they will want to take up revenge against Sasuke, as will the Samuari's families, so back and forth they cycle of hatred exist with in Sasuke.

    For me, Sasuke future is either exile, or death. I feel Kishi will create that moment where Sasuke and Naruto both die, or Sasuke chooses death so he can be with Itachi and everyone else. And Naruto will be saved somehow, probably from Sakura.

    But thats just my opinion.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    forgiven,yeah.
    trusted again,doubt that.nobody can trust a person who once betrayed his home.
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    He's obviously going to be forgiven he's like Kishi's 6th Favourite Character.....
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Why don't they all just have a party, drink some sake and have a laugh :D....
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Good point
    If they could let Gaara just become Kazekage without a second thought, then Sasuke should be forgiven
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Marshmallow View Post
    He's obviously going to be forgiven he's like Kishi's 6th Favourite Character.....
    Where did you get that asspull?

    Sasuke is his number 1 because he is a challenging character to draw and expand.Read about his interview :D
     
         

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    Re: It will be stupid if they don't forgive Sasuke

    Sasuke himself said he doesn't care if they approve of him or not. He couldn't care less if they forgive him. They don't even ahve the power to exact any form of punishment. Still, forgive him or not, they have no reason to hold a grudge, especially if and when they hear the truth about him. All he did was kill a few Samurai, and they weren't even civilians, when he was literally insane because of a reason that was beyond his control. Same reason why we don't hold Gaara's countless killings against him.

    The good he has done far outweighs the bad, and from his awakening, he has helped to end Edo Tensei, bring back the former Hokages, brought back Orochimaru, and lent his power and his subordinates' power to the alliance, and in the process, saved Naruto's life and helped take down Obito. If he didn't do that they'd all be dead. In real life any government would have given Sasuke an official Pardon. People in real life have done far worse crimes and less good and have gotten one of those.
     
         

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