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    How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Note: For anime only viewers this might contain spoiler.

    So, I've always wondered about this fight and how Madara managed to escape in the end. After few research, I have come to a conclusion.
    And here it goes:

    1. Madara vs Hashirama, the end.


    Here, we can see that Hashirama clearly killed Madara.
    Another thing (the middle panel): Hashirama realized that someone was watching them but when he looked up no one was there. He was too late and that person had already left.

    I believe that this is the key to explaining how Madara actually managed to get out from that situation.
    [Most probably a hint from Kishi as well.]


    2. Madara and Muu
    Kishi hasn't shown much of their connection, except (1)during the summoning of Edo Madara by Kabuto through Muu (2) and a small panel of Madara vs Muu and Oonoki.


    I'd say they knew each other quiet well. Note the expression on Muu's face when Madara was summoned.
    Kishi, are you trying to foreshadow some thing here?
    Also, We have seen the Madara vs Muu and Oonoki scene quiet often now but never really knew about Muu's opinion & action, and the after-math of the fight.

    But we can safely say that after Madara defeated Muu and Oonoki, Muu pledged allegiance to Madara. (whether he liked it or not)


    3. Madara's Plan

    Muu's Fission Technique


    We all know about Muu's Fission Technique: This technique allows user to literally split his own body into two identical yet entirely independent duplicates of himself. Unlike Clone Techniques that only appear to be similar, the ability is instead a physical separation and so does not require hand seals to activate, making it faster in comparison as a result. This also means that even if one is incapacitated, the other remains completely unaffected and as neither can truly be regarded as the original, the duplicates cannot be dispelled like normal clones.

    At first, I thought only Muu could use this technique. But I was wrong.

    Zetsu could do it (basically the same).

    Juubi did it (though in a different manner)

    So, a powerful shinobi like Madara without a doubt could do it too.

    The Plan


    Madara, after observing Muu's Fission jutsu, comes up with a grand plan.
    Accordingly, Madara acquired the Fission technique, either by observing Muu during their fight or by gaining info on the jutsu through Muu. (My bet is on the latter).
    Then, Madara set out for one final clash against his rival/foe/friend Hashirama Senju in order to obtain his DNA. When Madara realized that Shinsuusenju was too powerful for him. He could have switched to his Plan B i.e., The Fission Technique.
    (Remember the sole purpose was to obtain Hashi's DNA and get out of it alive. Whether He won or lost didnt matter). I also think that Madara actually wanted Hashirama to believe that he's dead.

    If Madara could take down Hashirama then it was all good. But incase, Hashi was too strong, the Fission Jutsu would be the back-up plan.


    In other words, the person who was watching Hashirama and Madara

    is none other than MADARA himself (the other half).


    And thats how Madara might have got out from that fight. But it would seem that after this incident Madara no longer possessed his prime power. But later he would acquire the Rinnegan the way he predidcted after deciphering the Uchiha Tablet of Naka Shrine, and thus came the idea of Project Tsuki no Mei!!

    EDIT: As pointed out by an observant member (Jako98146):

    Madara's wounded chest

    The wound on Madara's chest can be explained in the following manner:
    After splitting into two, any shinobi would wish to get his other half back (for power and stability of his body). In this attempt, when the half-Madara(alive) merged with the other Madara (stabbed), He might have received that wound. As Fission Jutsu splits a person, physically, into two so the wound on the other half affected the original Madara when the two merged.


    I hope you enjoyed reading.
    Post your opinions on what you think about this theory.

    Thanks!!
     
         
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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Wow never thought of this. Well realized.
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    very nice theory bro.~!
    check out mine in my signature too...its simply similar to yours too.!
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    this so reasonable thank you for bringing this theory to us I t makes so much sense and I believe it's why madara was simply a shell of his former self after the fight, great theory man
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    very good theory...it could be true...my first thought was that madara used genjutsu on hashirama as it was sort of indicated here



    and when hashirama looked up it looked like as if the genjutsu was dispelled.
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    this is one of the better theories i have read in some time. I'm a little mad i didn't come up with it myself -_- just one thing wasnt muu fission tech a keke genkai?
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saf4g914 View Post
    this is one of the better theories i have read in some time. I'm a little mad i didn't come up with it myself -_- just one thing wasnt muu fission tech a keke genkai?
    i think it wasnt.at least it isnt mentioned.he already has kekkei totai
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    There's one problem.
    Madara used the wound Hashi inflicted for the senju cells(I can't remember the chapter # but I believe it's during Obito's flashbacks)
    If Madara used a fission clone, he never would have had the injury in the first place

    Otherwise it's well thought out, and if I'm mistaken about the injury thing, then this is very plausible
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Good theory, nice work...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jako98146 View Post
    There's one problem.
    Madara used the wound Hashi inflicted for the senju cells(I can't remember the chapter # but I believe it's during Obito's flashbacks)
    If Madara used a fission clone, he never would have had the injury in the first place

    Otherwise it's well thought out, and if I'm mistaken about the injury thing, then this is very plausible
    I am not getting your point here, can you please elaborate??
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH View Post
    i think it wasnt.at least it isnt mentioned.he already has kekkei totai
    Ah! Well i too also thought it was a genjutsu, but thought it was in a way related to a special tech tied only to madara's ems.
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jako98146 View Post
    There's one problem.
    Madara used the wound Hashi inflicted for the senju cells(I can't remember the chapter # but I believe it's during Obito's flashbacks)
    If Madara used a fission clone, he never would have had the injury in the first place

    Otherwise it's well thought out, and if I'm mistaken about the injury thing, then this is very plausible
    is this the page??


    i thought about it too....this means it couldnt be neither genjutsu neither muu`s technique because the wound is there

    maybe madara just got back up and left after hashirama passed out?
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    Good theory, nice work...

    I am not getting your point here, can you please elaborate??
    The final stab wound, if it was a fission clone that Hashi killed, Madara never would have gotten the wound he implanted the DNA into

    And I found the chapter:

     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Marshmallow View Post
    Wow never thought of this. Well realized.
    Quote Originally Posted by sudharsan View Post
    very nice theory bro.~!
    check out mine in my signature too...its simply similar to yours too.!
    Quote Originally Posted by OWanime View Post
    this so reasonable thank you for bringing this theory to us I t makes so much sense and I believe it's why madara was simply a shell of his former self after the fight, great theory man
    Quote Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH View Post
    very good theory...it could be true...my first thought was that madara used genjutsu on hashirama as it was sort of indicated here



    and when hashirama looked up it looked like as if the genjutsu was dispelled.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saf4g914 View Post
    this is one of the better theories i have read in some time. I'm a little mad i didn't come up with it myself -_- just one thing wasnt muu fission tech a keke genkai?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jako98146 View Post
    The final stab wound, if it was a fission clone that Hashi killed, Madara never would have gotten the wound he implanted the DNA into

    And I found the chapter:

    Thanks Everyone!!....

    @Jako: are you referring to Hashirama's face on Madara's chest???
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jako98146 View Post
    The final stab wound, if it was a fission clone that Hashi killed, Madara never would have gotten the wound he implanted the DNA into

    And I found the chapter:

    Nice observation actually, never observed that wound before, you deserve rep...
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH View Post
    is this the page??


    i thought about it too....this means it couldnt be neither genjutsu neither muu`s technique because the wound is there

    maybe madara just got back up and left after hashirama passed out?
    yeah but if it was fission tech couldn't the other half just comeback later and re join with the other half after all is said and done? Then he would have his wound and senju dna? Assuming it was fission tech.
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Nice observation @ Jako.

    I thought Kabuto screwed with Edo Madaras body and thats how he got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saf4g914 View Post
    yeah but if it was fission tech couldn't the other half just comeback later and re join with the other half after all is said and done? Then he would have his wound and senju dna? Assuming it was fission tech.
    Exactly!!
     
         
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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by KuraamA View Post
    Thanks Everyone!!....

    @Jako: are you referring to Hashirama's face on Madara's chest???
    that was the wound yes,but the face was there because kabuto and orochimaru modified madara
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saf4g914 View Post
    yeah but if it was fission tech couldn't the other half just comeback later and re join with the other half after all is said and done? Then he would have his wound and senju dna? Assuming it was fission tech.
    it`s possible but we dont know for sure.it wasnt shown if it works that way
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH View Post
    it`s possible but we dont know for sure.it wasnt shown if it works that way
    It is very likely possible as Fission Jutsu physically splits the person into two. So, the physical trait of the other will effect the origianal when both the bodies merge.
     
         

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    Re: How Madara escaped after his Final fight with Hashirama!

    Quote Originally Posted by KuraamA View Post
    It is very likely possible as Fission Jutsu physically splits the person into two. So, the physical trait of the other will effect the origianal when both the bodies merge.
    so all that remains is when he did it...

    maybe he could have done it right after hashi was busy with apprehending kurama....we already saw that it is nigh undetectable
     
         

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