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    What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    I've heard many people on the base complain about Talk no Jitsu. It used to annoy me a bit too, but now that I think about it, it's kind of needed. The problem is too many fans have a DBZ mindset and believe that all problems in this series must be resolved by pummeling your opponent into the ground. Now I understand this is a fighting genre, but if everything were solved by simply beating up your opponent, then the series would be too predictable if you ask me. By incorporating a little diplomacy, you get more character depth, you get a glimpse into their mind, you'd get story progression. Or else, it would just be a mindless action series without any meaning, wouldn't you think? I don't get why some people think that the villains should be mindless and irrational robots incapable of thought and persuasion. It just wouldn't be realistic! Now I'm not saying that all villains should end up seeing the light, some should and some shouldn't in order to makes things more unpredictable. But at least some TNJ is needed whether they decide to turn good or not. As long as TNJ is not used excessively, then I'm fine with it. Thoughts?
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    A little ? *Gero gero gero gero*

     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    I agree that simply beating people up is not that creative and interesting. I just think it ruined Obito's and Nagato's characters when they were TNJ'd. Also, considering that Obito started a war which killed tens of thousands of people,it would be ridiculous if he was simply forgiven and allowed to return to Konoha.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    Nothing would be wrong if Naruto didn't do it so much that it's become a character trait.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    It's something you have to take in doses.

    It's not that the TnJ is bad, it's just the conversations are usually the same shit over and over but slightly different.

    Like we didn't know already.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    But the thing is, it IS used excessively. Every major antagonist thus far has been TnJ'd. But that's not even my problem with it. For me it's the fact that all of the villains are similar to Naruto. Honestly that's just lame to have villains that are all basically a "what if Naruto turned to darkness" character.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddstx View Post
    It's something you have to take in doses.

    It's not that the TnJ is bad, it's just the conversations are usually the same shit over and over but slightly different.

    Like we didn't know already.
    This ^ lol we seem to agree most of the time .
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    How do you people not get it. Nobody is pissed that TNJ exists. We're pissed that it happens to literally every villain in the series.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    Its a lame excuse to defeat a powerful character, but don't worry Obito will revive all the ninja that were killed during the war.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    it wrond when people only rely on tnj to win a battle instead of growing some ballz and fight.For example Naruto
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    The fact its not a little and every antagonist has had some sort of change because of Naruto.

    And the shit could go both ways, whats wrong with a pure evil villain? it would be far less predictable than the TNJ we have had over and over again.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    I think the problem is every major villain has fallen victim to TNJ, it's not unpredictable nor is it creative when this consecutively happens. No one has just wanted to watch the world burn. And every time Naruto TnJ's it's the same story he's been repeating since Zabuza.... It's just not that moving of a story either. So, people didn't like you and you are an orphan. He ended up in the same position a nerdy little orphan would in the real world. Unfortunate but not incredible. Gaara or Sasuke on the other hand had significantly more mucked up lives; yet they don't go around trying to TnJ every enemy. TnJ is essentially a really poor plot devise that Kishi uses whenever he writes himself into a corner when the villain is too powerful to be beaten with out an incredible asspull power-up. Some talk no jutsu was fine. Against Zabuza it was epic. Against Neji, necessary. Around Gaara tedious considering we had just heard the same thing with Neji. Against Nagato & Konan, really? Against Obito.... facepalm. The only villians to not be TnJed so far are Orochimaru and Madara and that was despite Hiruzen and Hashirama's greatest efforts. Hell, he even TnJed/ Flashbacked the Shinobi Army. It is the crux of his battle style. Which is really fudging sad for a ninja. Whose job is to essentially be a mercenary.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    A little is fine. But they do to much of it.
     
         

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    Re: What's wrong with a little TNJ?

    There's too much TNJ which makes the story predictable because you can already guess what will happen whenever a villian will show up.
     
         

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