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    Danzo's Plothole

    With a once a day Koto usage capacity, he could have brainwashed hundreds of high level shinobi over the years. He should easily have an army of S class ninja. Why didn't this happen?
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    That's not a plothole...and because it's not what Kishimoto wanted to write.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Because it's difficult to assemble an army of 'S class ninja' in one place? That it was highly inconvenient, and that he was saving it for something else, like for an oppurtunity to become head of the shinobi alliance? Where he would have every ninja from every village under his control. xD
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Who said he could use it once a day?
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    It is never stated how long Danzo had to wait after using koto besides that there is one glaring problem with your plan.

    It indeed controls the opponent but,there is an entire village of shinobi would they not think it is odd that so many fateful ninja are suddenly bowing down and taking danzo's orders ?

    The entire hyuuga clan is in that village they can readily recognize someone under control and they would of found out eventually and then danzo's plan to take the throne would be nothing but a dream as he would have to fight off the very people he wanted to rule over.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Vongola View Post
    That's not a plothole...and because it's not what Kishimoto wanted to write.
    It's a plothole because it left a lot of people scratching their heads wondering why Danzo didn't take this free pass at power. It is a very obvious free pass. That is why it's a plot hole.

    So by your logic, plot holes can't exist because anything that any author writes is completely legit logically?
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    olol

    thats like madara not spamming meteorites is plot hole.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    It's a plothole because it left a lot of people scratching their heads wondering why Danzo didn't take this free pass at power. It is a very obvious free pass. That is why it's a plot hole.

    So by your logic, plot holes can't exist because anything that any author writes is completely legit logically?
    It is not a plot hole

    Look up the definition of plot hole

    And controlling shinobi will warrant attention and breka out in a fight
    His trust inside the village is critical your scenario is counter productive to his plans.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    It is never stated how long Danzo had to wait after using koto besides that there is one glaring problem with your plan.

    It indeed controls the opponent but,there is an entire village of shinobi would they not think it is odd that so many fateful ninja are suddenly bowing down and taking danzo's orders ?

    The entire hyuuga clan is in that village they can readily recognize someone under control and they would of found out eventually and then danzo's plan to take the throne would be nothing but a dream as he would have to fight off the very people he wanted to rule over.
    He stated at the summit and again at the battle with Sasuke that he could use it once a day.

    Danzo could have easily used it on other ninja that he meets. For example, he could have used it on Kabuto or Oro. He could have easily set up a meeting with Hanzo and just use it on him. What about Itachi? He could have Koto'ed him as well.

    All Danzo has to do is take control of bunch of obscenely powerful people, like Tsunade, Jirayia, Oro, Itachi etc and together with root, they can crush the Hyuga clan. Besides, with the Hokage under his control, can easily label the Hyuga as traitors and have them eliminated.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Not a plot hole, by your logic Madara didn't obliterate the kages in 10 secs cuz plothole -.-.

    Plot does not allow that.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Danzo too good.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    He stated at the summit and again at the battle with Sasuke that he could use it once a day.

    Danzo could have easily used it on other ninja that he meets. For example, he could have used it on Kabuto or Oro. He could have easily set up a meeting with Hanzo and just use it on him. What about Itachi? He could have Koto'ed him as well.

    All Danzo has to do is take control of bunch of obscenely powerful people, like Tsunade, Jirayia, Oro, Itachi etc and together with root, they can crush the Hyuga clan. Besides, with the Hokage under his control, can easily label the Hyuga as traitors and have them eliminated.
    Hanzo is dead and that was some time ago.
    And like i said having people under his control does draw attention and exiling the hyuuga and branding them as traitors for what exactly ?

    He had a plan and using koto to start an uprising makes little to no sense as he would have to spend his days controlling people all the time and if the hyuuga under ever did find out then the whole plan (Which is horrible from the start) would fall apart.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    It is not a plot hole

    Look up the definition of plot hole

    And controlling shinobi will warrant attention and breka out in a fight
    His trust inside the village is critical your scenario is counter productive to his plans.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

    Look here, illogical actions are plotholes.

    Danzo was very intellegent and careful. Therefore it is illogical for him not to take an obvious path to the success of his plans. It is a contradiction with his character.

    @ lonely uchiha, Madara didn't spam the meteor jutsu because he is cocky and views the world as only entertainment. He tones down quite a bit just so he can enjoy a fight. That is Madara's character. Danzo is different.

    What about in The Dark Knight when the Joker burned all that money? It's not a plothole because he's crazy. It's in character.

    Danzo squandering his chances is not within his character so we have a plothole.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    It's not a plot hole because we don't kno For sure he hasn't been using it at his convenience the whole time. Only somebody who fought shishui uchiha would recognize his chakara signature.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Not a plot-hole.

    By doing what he did, it shows us Danzo's character.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Many people underestimate mind control. It easily is one of the greatest powers imaginable.
     
         
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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    Not a plot-hole.

    By doing what he did, it shows us Danzo's character.
    That he's a moron?

    Look, if you have a genie, and you can have any wish whatsoever, you can wish one thing, or you can wish for infinite wishes. If you didn't see the second one, then it's illogical. If this happened in a story, that would be a plot hole. That's why in DBZ, the author made it very clear the restrictions the dragon balls had. If he didn't, then we would have plotholes everywhere.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    Hanzo is dead and that was some time ago.
    And like i said having people under his control does draw attention and exiling the hyuuga and branding them as traitors for what exactly ?

    He had a plan and using koto to start an uprising makes little to no sense as he would have to spend his days controlling people all the time and if the hyuuga under ever did find out then the whole plan (Which is horrible from the start) would fall apart.
    Well, had he used it on Itachi, he could have had Itachi come back and slay the Hyuga. Itachi has proven to be a good clan slayer.

    He could have also used it on other Kages by setting up summits and stuff. Just have them invade and take out the Hyuga. Oro took control of the sand and he didn't even have Koto. Had Danzo controlled Oro, he could have made Oro concentrate the sand villiages attack at the hyuga.

    There are lots of ways to deal with the Hyuga situation.
     
         
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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    That he's a moron?

    Look, if you have a genie, and you can have any wish whatsoever, you can wish one thing, or you can wish for infinite wishes. If you didn't see the second one, then it's illogical. If this happened in a story, that would be a plot hole. That's why in DBZ, the author made it very clear the restrictions the dragon balls had. If he didn't, then we would have plotholes everywhere.
    No, that he's nefarious and selfish.

    Many people see him as the neutral or "the shade of grey" but it's those who miss the important details like Danzo stealing Shisui's eyes and brutally having the Uchiha massacred which makes us realise his intentions clearly.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    here let me help you out.

    A plot hole is made when 2 things contradict each other. An example of what would be a plot hole, would be if say the third hokage said "minato the 4th hokage is narutos dad" then later said" minato the 4th hokage is not narutos dad"

    Its like saying "north on my compass points to the north pole" then saying "north on my compass points to the south pole"

    It cant point to both, because i only have one north on my compass, and it cannot change, due to physics of how it works. Thus it becomes a paradox, and "breaks" the physics(as it is impossible to be both, or to change)

    It is when a direct contradiction in the manga creates a hole in the plot. Why danzo didnt use ka daily, does not contradict anything in the plot. Naruto doesnt have that many plot holes(ie contradictiary things) it has many things that are not explained, but few things that contradict each other.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by cptenn94 View Post
    here let me help you out.

    A plot hole is made when 2 things contradict each other. An example of what would be a plot hole, would be if say the third hokage said "minato the 4th hokage is narutos dad" then later said" minato the 4th hokage is not narutos dad"

    Its like saying "north on my compass points to the north pole" then saying "north on my compass points to the south pole"

    It cant point to both, because i only have one north on my compass, and it cannot change, due to physics of how it works. Thus it becomes a paradox, and "breaks" the physics(as it is impossible to be both, or to change)

    It is when a direct contradiction in the manga creates a hole in the plot. Why danzo didnt use ka daily, does not contradict anything in the plot. Naruto doesnt have that many plot holes(ie contradictiary things) it has many things that are not explained, but few things that contradict each other.
    What you have stated is a paradox. Not a plot hole. A paradox is a much stronger contradiction. A plot hole could be something that simply wouldn't make sense with real world logic. No strategist would squander like Danzo did. It doesn't make sense using real world logic, but it could happen with extremely low chance.

    Example:
    Itachi losing a fight to the death while completely forgetting to activate his Sharingan isn't a paradox. However, it would qualify as a plot hole since Itachi would never do something so stupid.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Well, why didn't Danzo show up to take over when Hiruzen died? That's a better question to me.

    Also, during the invasion of Konoha Danzo decided not to help. So he was okay with becoming a Hokage of ruins apparently I know he believed Tsunade would save people but what if she failed? Later during the Summit Danzo controlled Mifune because he had doubts that he'd pick him as an alliance leader. Mifune basically said, "I probably would have picked you anyway", to which Danzo said "Probably is not good enough". However, he did have enough faith in Tsunade's skills to save villagers? TBH there is a number of contradictions about Danzo's character. Heck, he spoke about self-sacrifice but instead sacrificed others. yeah he did try to seal Tobi and Sasuke but he was already dying at that point.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by awesomeseimei View Post
    Well, why didn't Danzo show up to take over when Hiruzen died? That's a better question to me.

    Also, during the invasion of Konoha Danzo decided not to help. So he was okay with becoming a Hokage of ruins apparently I know he believed Tsunade would save people but what if she failed? Later during the Summit Danzo controlled Mifune because he had doubts that he'd pick him as an alliance leader. Mifune basically said, "I probably would have picked you anyway", to which Danzo said "Probably is not good enough". However, he did have enough faith in Tsunade's skills to save villagers? TBH there is a number of contradictions about Danzo's character. Heck, he spoke about self-sacrifice but instead sacrificed others. yeah he did try to seal Tobi and Sasuke but he was already dying at that point.
    That was the point of Danzo's character,he was distrustful and a coward,thats why he didnt manage to become what he thought was the definition of a perfect Shinobi.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    Quote Originally Posted by xcoyote View Post
    That was the point of Danzo's character,he was distrustful and a coward,thats why he didnt manage to become what he thought was the definition of a perfect Shinobi.
    Yes, I was saying that in response to the OP, Danzo contradicts himself so it's no wonder you can't always apply logic to him and his actions.
     
         

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    Re: Danzo's Plothole

    There's something called plot shield. Kishimoto wanted to write the story in a different way, hence he did. He planned out everything from the start.
     
         

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