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    Why are Good Guys...

    Who has noticed that good guys always seem to struggle in all their fights? While bad guys, in any fight they win, seem to do so with embarrassing ease.

    Hashirama VS Madara was a difficult struggle

    Kabuto oppressed Sasuke and Itachi before they could finally win and even then, Itachi had to lose an eye.

    Kakashi, Naruto, Team Guy was a struggle just to get a hit.

    Naruto VS Pain...I don't think I particularly need to tell you how hard that was.

    Other difficult fights were:

    Naruto+Lee+Gaara VS Kimimaro(Kyubi chakra failed, Lotus failed, sand failed and luck saved them)

    Tsunade+Jiraiya VS Handless Oro(Jiraiya broke ribs and Tsunade was getting old)

    Hiruzen VS Edo Hokage and Oro(do I need to say anything?)

    Kakashi VS Zabuza(Kakashi actually got beat at one point)

    Bee VS Kisame

    Kakuzu and Hidan VS Team Kakashi and Team 10


    However for Bad Guys...


    Sasuke(who was 'bad guy' then) VS Deidara was a beating

    Madara VS Onoki and Muu was a thrashing

    Madara VS Five Kage was a joke.

    Evil Genin Gaara VS Lee(no matter how you look at it, Gaara wasn't even injured at all)

    Jiraiya VS Pain(Pain held back and still no permanent damage....then they tore the guy apart)

    Obito VS Konan(he lost his disposable arm, used his disposable eye and walked off with no particular difficulty)

    Gaara VS Deidara...Deidara neglected to pack a lot of clay and smiled while losing his arm.

    Kakuzu and Hidan VS. Asuma and company



    Bad guys seem to dominate before they finally get beat. Why? Discuss.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    It's called tension. If the hero one too easily his entire story would seem uninteresting, whereas if a villain was not a deadly threat, his character could not intrigue an audience.

     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmo View Post
    It's called tension. If the hero one too easily his entire story would seem uninteresting, whereas if a villain was not a deadly threat, his character could not intrigue an audience.

    Yeah...but shouldn't a good guy get a give a fodderizing once in a while???
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzumaki16 View Post
    Yeah...but shouldn't a good guy get a give a fodderizing once in a while???
    Nah they gotta suck to trick the kiddies into thinking there are endearing qualities there. It's how you sell to children.

    If Naruto won even one of his fights without a struggle, his journey would take a major shot. I'd love to see a fodderizing from the shonen heroes once in a while, but it ain't happening.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Luffy fodderizees his opponents in the first half...they get a power up puffy loses.....then Liffey starts trying then he wins
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Naruto owned a chuunin with clones when he was not even worthy for a headband

    Kiba get defeated by a fart

    Defeated a skilled ninja like Neji by leeching on fox's chakra, he got nothing on him in fact. Hardworking loser my ass.

    Headbutted Gaara cuz he wanted to protect and Gaara needed nap

    Everybody who talk to him agrees with him, this guy always win the arguements by saying "you and i are the same; believe it dattebayo!"
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmo View Post
    Nah they gotta suck to trick the kiddies into thinking there are endearing qualities there. It's how you sell to children.

    If Naruto won even one of his fights without a struggle, his journey would take a major shot. I'd love to see a fodderizing from the shonen heroes once in a while, but it ain't happening.
    They should change things up once in a while. DC heroes fodderize all the time. I mean bank robbers have to deal with SUPERMAN Talk about unfair

    Quote Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
    Naruto owned a chuunin with clones when he was not even worthy for a headband

    Kiba get defeated by a fart

    Defeated a skilled ninja like Neji by leeching on fox's chakra, he got nothing on him in fact. Hardworking loser my ass.

    Headbutted Gaara cuz he wanted to protect and Gaara needed nap

    Everybody who talk to him agrees with him, this guy always win the arguements by saying "you and i are the same; believe it dattebayo!"
    After running from said Chunnin all night and Iruka took a large shuriken to the back

    After getting torn apart by Kiba and his dog

    After getting all his tenketsu blocked and his army of clones killed

    I'm not saying they don't win. Its just tough ALL THE TIME
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzumaki16 View Post
    Yeah...but shouldn't a good guy get a give a fodderizing once in a while???
    Naruto vs Kakuzu.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    It would have been boring otherwise. Who would like to watch movies where good guys win all the time?
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by scorezor View Post
    Naruto vs Kakuzu.
    Why did he have to fail at Rasenshuriken and get saved by Kakashi and Yamato?
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Well... we're already watching that my ***** bogard.

    But at least he gets his face stomped in from time to time. That's all I'm asking for. The hero does eventually need to win in shonen (I ain't watching some fail story).
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    It's true, I wanna see a panel of Naruto in biju mode killing some bandits.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzumaki16 View Post
    After running from said Chunnin all night and Iruka took a large shuriken to the back

    After getting torn apart by Kiba and his dog

    After getting all his tenketsu blocked and his army of clones killed

    I'm not saying they don't win. Its just tough ALL THE TIME
    Almost everyone takes a damage or struggles in a fight.

    Deidara lost an arm. AN ARM!

    Gaara got beaten around by Lee for a straightout chapter no mather how you look at it.

    Also look at how evil guys get owned:

    Shika used a basic strategy on hidan

    Kakuzu get one-shotted by FRS

    Gai used like 2 techs against Kisame

    Temari one-shotted Tayuya with her fan

    ...

    There are really rare cases of a character that is not struggline at all in a fight, like Dosu vs Chouji, Shino vs Zaku, Deidara vs Itachi, Kakashivs Team 7 at bell test.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    that is because this is kishimoto's manga
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Sasuke vs 5 Kage, Sasuke vs Danzo, Sasuke vs Bee
    Sasuke was bad then
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmo View Post
    Nah they gotta suck to trick the kiddies into thinking there are endearing qualities there. It's how you sell to children.

    If Naruto won even one of his fights without a struggle, his journey would take a major shot. I'd love to see a fodderizing from the shonen heroes once in a while, but it ain't happening.
    hm, you'd love feng shen ji my dood. epicness awaits
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmo View Post
    Well... we're already watching that my ***** bogard.

    But at least he gets his face stomped in from time to time. That's all I'm asking for. The hero does eventually need to win in shonen (I ain't watching some fail story).
    I recently read the first chapters of Superman released in 1939 and Superman stomps everything. His opponents are thugs and other regular people and that's a popular story. More popular that Naruto will ever be.

    There's also Bleach...We all know Ichigo VS Aizen was a stomping. Ichigo Vs Byakuya was a trolling. Ichigo spared Byakuya twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaE20 View Post
    Sasuke vs 5 Kage, Sasuke vs Danzo, Sasuke vs Bee
    Sasuke was bad then
    Er...considering how many times Sasuke easily killed Danzo....

    Sasuke didn't win VS Five Kage. I said when bad guys win.

    Sasuke didn't win against Bee.
     
         
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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    u've sure got a point.... there was that one time in a filler about kakashi's mask where they won without even trying against those idiots but yes,it was a funny episode and doesn't count.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Fights would be boring otherwise, and their wouldn't be room for them getting stronger, in order to get stronger you have to face enemies that are stronger then you are.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Sometimes good guys have to protect and babysitting others, Kakashi is a good exemple vs Zabuza, Itachi,Kakuzu, Pein whereas bad guys just kills everything.
     
         

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    Re: Why are Good Guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by amazing sasuke View Post
    u've sure got a point.... there was that one time in a filler about kakashi's mask where they won without even trying against those idiots but yes,it was a funny episode and doesn't count.
    Well said... whenever Sasuke was neutral or borderline bad, he will make mincemeat of his foes...

    Look how effortlessly Sasuke made short work of the sound genin, we he woke up with his new CS.

    Sasuke also made short work of that chakra absorbing dude, Temari, Gaara etc.

    In part two, he defeated Deidara mid difficulty, despite the fact that he had no intention of killing him.

    In his fight against Danzo, it was notable that danzo wasn't able to land a single hit against Sasuke.

    Let's compare another anime titled "Inuyasha" for example, here the protagonist Inuyasha always had tough battles, while his "neutral" big brother Sesshoumaru usually wins the battles effortlessly.

    That's the way Shonen goes...
     
         

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    Because the darkside grants more power in exchange for one's humanity
     
         

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