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    Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    There have been theories regarding this discussion of whether Madara can use the wooden statue or not. However, i came to conclusion that he can defiantly perform it.



    First of all, the statue is not a summoning jutsu due to these reasons:

    -Hashirama had only clapped his hands
    -He gathered Sage mode to perform it and we do not see blood
    -He never said in his head [Kuchiyose no Jutsu] which translates to Summoning jutsu

    With all that being said, it is safe to say the statue requires Sage mode and Hashirama's cells along with the chakra levels to perform the technique. Therefore its not summoning nor it needs blood contract.

    Moving on...in chapter 575, Kabuto states that he wanted to demonstrate to the whole world of Hashirama's power through edo Madara:


    It was through his trump card which was the union of EMS Madara + Hashirama = Edo Madara:


    Furthermore, Madara had proved to be capable of performing most of Hashirama's base techniques at the same level of its creator:





    He proved that he can use most of Hashirama's strongest base techniques due to having memorising them with his Sharingan and all he needed was piece of Hashirama's DNA to perform them. As for Shinsuusenju, he seen and memorised it. He has the DNA, the chakra levels and Sage mode:


    Conclusion = Madara can perform Shinsuusenju.

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Agreed. Where the **** did people come up with the thought that it's a summon? It clearly isn't.... you just need senjutsu and mokuton.

    Don't get used to me agreeing with you though.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Agreed. Where the **** did people come up with the thought that it's a summon? It clearly isn't.... you just need senjutsu and mokuton.

    Don't get used to me agreeing with you though.
    The fact that some say ''Hashirama summons it''.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    That large, thick wall of text made my eyes light up with excitement. It was a pleasure to read your thread considering the amount of hard work you've put into it.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    In any case, Kishi is not going to be wasting his time drawing all those hands of Shinsuusenju when he could create a manga chapter within that time.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    The fact that some say ''Hashirama summons it''.
    Maybe literally in the sense that he calls it forth from the ground, but it's not a summoning jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    @Tim: yeah it took me about 15 minutes especially when editing the scans to make them smaller. Thanks

    @Shisui: Kishimoto had to waste drawing the god tree which is many times size of the statue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Maybe literally in the sense that he calls it forth from the ground, but it's not a summoning jutsu.
    Could be another way of interpreting it.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    The fact that some say ''Hashirama summons it''.
    That doesn't necessarily mean that they think he actually summoned it with the Kuchiyose no Jutsu. I've never seen anyone assume it was actually summoned like that.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    I tried to come up woth a counter but cant....but still think it's only for hashi or i think kishi would have made madara do it. He made madara do every other op jutsu that hashi has why not thousand hand thingy
     
         
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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    For some unknown reasons I dont think he can summoned it.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Maker View Post
    For some unknown reasons I dont think he can summoned it.
    Care to explain why?
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Maker View Post
    For some unknown reasons I dont think he can summoned it.
    Thats how i feel lol....just cus madara showed he can do wood dragon doesnt mean he can do shinsuusenju
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    Thats how i feel lol....just cus madara showed he can do wood dragon doesnt mean he can do shinsuusenju
    You're thinking the illogical. Madara had showed most of Hashirama's base best moves on the same scale and power. Now that he has Sage mode, then he can perform Shinsuusenju.

    I have explained it. Take your time reading the thread.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Agreed,he most likely needs it to stand a chance against the Bijuu before he gets his eyes back.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    I tried to come up woth a counter but cant....but still think it's only for hashi or i think kishi would have made madara do it. He made madara do every other op jutsu that hashi has why not thousand hand thingy
    But Maddy just obtained this new power, give him some time.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Was all this necessary? It's obvious he can but anyway, good thread.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    You're thinking the illogical. Madara had showed most of Hashirama's base best moves on the same scale and power. Now that he has Sage mode, then he can perform Shinsuusenju.

    I have explained it. Take your time reading the thread.
    ***** don't get butthurt cus this is what i think ...ur post establishing why he can do shinsuusenju is invalid due to the fact he hasn't shown it..u have no scans showing he can do so. Until thenonly hashi can do it
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    Thats how i feel lol....just cus madara showed he can do wood dragon doesnt mean he can do shinsuusenju
    I think I understand what you guys are feeling. I believe you guys feel he can't because he has no reason to use it....that what purpose would him using it fit into the story? Who is there strong enough that would force him to use it? So you believe he cannot....of course this is just a silky attempt to read your minds....yes, I'm crazy like that!

    OT: I don't see why he couldn't...if he can use SM he can draw in any amount of Senjutsu chakra required to perform any tech I believe....
     
         
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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Aya San View Post
    But Maddy just obtained this new power, give him some time.
    I understand...If he does shinsuusenju i would be surprised cus this is madara we're talking about...the guy who's second strongest ofc behind itachi....jk
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by RikudouMadara View Post
    I think I understand what you guys are feeling. I believe you guys feel he can't because he has no reason to use....that what purpose would him using it fit into the story. Who is there strong enough that would force him to use. So you believe he cannot....of course this is just a silky attempt to read your minds....yes, I'm crazy like that!

    OT: I don't see why he couldn't...if he can use SM he can draw in any amount of Senjutsu chakra required to perform any tech I believe....
    The thing about madara having senjutsu is that he's limited. He cant draw in senjutsu like naruto or hashi
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    The thing about madara having senjutsu is that he's limited. He cant draw in senjutsu like naruto or hashi
    That's actually a really good point. He's probably only limited to one Shinsuusenju.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    ***** don't get butthurt cus this is what i think ...ur post establishing why he can do shinsuusenju is invalid due to the fact he hasn't shown it..u have no scans showing he can do so. Until thenonly hashi can do it
    How am i butthurt?

    The purpose of this thread is to make those ignorants such as you understand and learn the presentations of manga. As i have said, he can use it due to the logic there is so that means he can use.

    If we were to go by your logic, then SO6P hasn't shown anything that convinces me of beating Iruka right?

    @Touken: thanks.

    As for everyone, you can see the one i am replying to is not getting yet.
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    The thing about madara having senjutsu is that he's limited. He cant draw in senjutsu like naruto or hashi
    I thought if you could use Senjutsu.....you are a Senjutsu practitioner? Which allows said practitioner to do two things mainly, that is sense, and the ability to draw in Senjutsu chakra, correct?
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    How am i butthurt?

    The purpose of this thread is to make those ignorants such as you understand and learn the presentations of manga. As i have said, he can use it due to the logic there is so that means he can use.

    If we were to go by your logic, then SO6P hasn't shown anything that convinces me of beating Iruka right?

    @Touken: thanks.

    As for everyone, you can see the one i am replying to is not getting yet.
    Im ignorant cus of me thinking a damn anime character cant do something?? Wow ur taking this s*** to damn seriously bruh. I get wtf ur sayin ***** damn lol read my post over. U tickle me
     
         

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    Re: Establishing Why Madara Can Use The Shinsuusenju

    Quote Originally Posted by RikudouMadara View Post
    I thought if you could use Senjutsu.....you are a Senjutsu practitioner? Which allows said practitioner to do two things mainly, that is sense, and the ability to draw in Senjutsu chakra, correct?
    Okay maybe ur right...i was thinking he was limited cus he only sucked a certain amount of senjutsu from hashi and if he could draw in senjutsu why hasnt he done so. But if he can draw in senjutsu now cus he was able to use it then i dont see whats stopping him from doing shinsuusenju
     
         

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