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    Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    We all know Tsunade is Hashiramas grandaughter, but it was never revealed whether Hashirama had a Son or a daughter, which relates him to tsunade!

    Hashiramas son/daughter was the product of Senju + Uzumaki, Genetically that should make him/her Special, especially since he/she would have Hashi's DNA "mokuton". Uzumaki's are related to So6p that much we know so combining these two great chakras should give great results but instead we get a fodder like tsunade, and a parent we never heard of, I wonder if kishi delibrately didnt reveal anything about tsunades parents.

    might be one of these three scenarios

    1-tsunades parents/hashi's air died early
    2-hashi had a daughter with no interest in fighting/ninjutsu "typical story of falling in love and wanting a family rather than following in her dads footsteps"
    3-kishi delibrately havent shown him/her yet

    I'll go with number 2, but I think kishi just didnt focus on it.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    He or She was probably an OP version of Tsunade, who never explored their full potential like Tsunade ( though we never seen it in a fight).
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    He or She was probably an OP version of Tsunade, who never explored their full potential like Tsunade ( though we never seen it in a fight).
    Yes but what intrigues me is why kishi never mentioned him/her.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    I'll go with 3 knowing how kishimoto deals with this manga. Them susano wireless.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Well, assuming that if Hashi x Mito's kid married a non-senju/non-uzumaki spouse, that would make Tsunade 1/4 Senju and Uzumaki from Hashi x Mito's child so her bloodline is diluted already.

    Concerning Hashi x Mito's child, he/she may have had more of a passive role than an active one concerning fighting, training, etc.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    Well, assuming that if Hashi x Mito's kid married a non-senju/non-uzumaki spouse, that would make Tsunade 1/4 Senju and Uzumaki from Hashi x Mito's child so her bloodline is diluted already.
    Obviously, but I was talking about her parent/hashi's air - he or she would be half uzumaki, half Senju, with particularly strong versions of each, I wouldve assumed such a character would be worth mentioning.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Senju and Uzumaki have the same chakra..... O_o...... lol.

    Uzumaki + Senju isn't a unique match up.. =x.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    He or She was probably an OP version of Tsunade, who never explored their full potential like Tsunade ( though we never seen it in a fight).
    Thought you would say this
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    I find it very interesting that the child of such powerful ninja hasn't been revealed yet, or even the fact that he/she never became Hokage. Its very mysterious.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Time Lord View Post
    Obviously, but I was talking about her parent/hashi's air - he or she would be half uzumaki, half Senju, with particularly strong versions of each, I wouldve assumed such a character would be worth mentioning.
    Yes, your hypothesis #2 seems the most likely, coupled with the fact that editorial time-constraints must have forced Kishi not to expound much about Hashi and Mito's child.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Senju and Uzumaki have the same chakra..... O_o...... lol.

    Uzumaki + Senju isn't a unique match up.. =x.
    That is somewhat Inacurate, they are relatively similar but not Identical, Uzumaki's are gifted in sealing Nin, and have especially long life spans/ and extremely resilient life energy so much so that they continue to live even after bijuu is extracted from them - Senju's have demonstrated that they have strong chakra but besides hashirama we havnt seen a commonly special trait among them, they are said to be distant relatives - more like two sides of the same coin, combining the two theoretically should bring one closer to resemble SO6P's younger air.
    Quote Originally Posted by sir derp obito
    Yes, your hypothesis #2 seems the most likely, coupled with the fact that editorial time-constraints must have forced Kishi not to expound much about Hashi and Mito's child.
    Likely yes, but considering how the Manga has become more and more repetitive of late, it would be most refreshing to focus on these unexploited mysteries, there is so much more to be explored I,e hashiramas death, mystery of the mokuton, mystery of kakashis face hahaha, "that jutsu jiraya mentioned" and tobiramas reason for creating edo tensei etc.....
     
         
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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Maybe in a spin off but I don't see the main series ever exploring this.

    I agree though it would be nice to know, I never even thought about this till now honestly.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Time Lord View Post
    That is somewhat Inacurate, they are relatively similar but not Identical, Uzumaki's are gifted in sealing Nin, and have especially long life spans/ and extremely resilient life energy so much so that they continue to live even after bijuu is extracted from them - Senju's have demonstrated that they have strong chakra but besides hashirama we havnt seen a commonly special trait among them, they are said to be distant relatives - more like two sides of the same coin, combining the two theoretically should bring one closer to resemble SO6P's younger air.
    False, they trained in sealing ninjutsu, not gifted with it. Unlike the Uzumaki who trained only in sealing techs, Senju trained in variety of techs, much like the Rikudou sennin himself.

    Senju are naturally blessed with good life force, another fact. So far the Senju we know have only been killed in battle. Uzumaki as I recall lived outside on an island.

    Uzumaki have strong bodies, due to the fact that they have Senju lineage inside them. On top of that you need a Senju body to be the Juubi jinchuriki....that should already tell you which one is higher..

    And no you and many others misinterpret the manga scans wrong. She said Leaf's aka Hashirama's Senju Clan and the Uzumaki Clan were distant relatives. Clans formed over time. It doesn't mean that they aren't from the same Younger Son.
    During the younger son, shinobi clans did not exist.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Hashirama's children were full Senjus, his mom was not Senju either if you follow the moral code of humans to which siblings don't marry, so saying his children are half Uzumaki as if they are half Senju is wrong. Also Uzumaki are not related to SO6P, that was just theories from people but there is no many a proof.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    I'm afraid there is a misconception regarding the origin of the Uzumaki Clan as coming from the Younger Son much like the Senjus.

    It has been made clear in the Manga that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis



    Even if one argues that the Uzumakis weren't mentioned simply because they came afterwards from an established Senju Clan, (aka the Uzumakis being an off-shoot clan) then it is still contradicted by that panel which states:

    "Even as the bloodline faded, the brothers' descendants continued fighting"

    And the Uzumaki Clan was ultimately absent from the Senju vs Uchiha Fighting



    There is also the matter of the trademark red hair of the pure-blooded Uzumakis, something the Senjus don't share:




    Red hair is a recessive gene in humans, only if the ancestors of the Uzumakis were all redheads can their descendants continue the trademark hair, seeing how recessive red hair is we need only look at Naruto: the combination of Kushina's red hair gene with Minato's yellow resulted in Naruto getting Yellow Hair instead of red, because red is recessive.

    The Younger Son was never stated to have red hair, in fact, in the anime depiction it's black:



    I could only come to the conclusion that the Uzumaki's ancestors were the original redheads, not stemming from the Younger Son's line but from another: The Ohtsutsukis aka the Rikudou Sennin's original family line.

    I think it is also a misnomer to say that the Uzumakis and Senjus share qualities like life force, chakra, etc. because the word "share" implies that they come from the same source, they dont . they have similar qualities but it doesn't stem from the same source (Younger Son)

    It's just like Coke and Pepsi, both are softdrinks, but they do not share the same manufacturer, Coke comes from the Coca Cola Company while Pepsi comes from PepsiCo, they do not come from the same source much like the qualities of the Senjus and Uzumakis, they are alike, but not the same, for the Senju's source is the Younger Son while the Uzumaki's source are the Ohtsutsukis themselves.
     
         
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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    I'm afraid there is a misconception regarding the origin of the Uzumaki Clan as coming from the Younger Son much like the Senjus.

    It has been made clear in the Manga that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis



    Even if one argues that the Uzumakis weren't mentioned simply because they came afterwards from an established Senju Clan, (aka the Uzumakis being an off-shoot clan) then it is still contradicted by that panel which states:

    "Even as the bloodline faded, the brothers' descendants continued fighting"

    And the Uzumaki Clan was ultimately absent from the Senju vs Uchiha Fighting



    There is also the matter of the trademark red hair of the pure-blooded Uzumakis, something the Senjus don't share:




    Red hair is a recessive gene in humans, only if the ancestors of the Uzumakis were all redheads can their descendants continue the trademark hair, seeing how recessive red hair is we need only look at Naruto: the combination of Kushina's red hair gene with Minato's yellow resulted in Naruto getting Yellow Hair instead of red, because red is recessive.

    The Younger Son was never stated to have red hair, in fact, in the anime depiction it's black:



    I could only come to the conclusion that the Uzumaki's ancestors were the original redheads, not stemming from the Younger Son's line but from another: The Ohtsutsukis aka the Rikudou Sennin's original family line.

    I think it is also a misnomer to say that the Uzumakis and Senjus share qualities like life force, chakra, etc. because the word "share" implies that they come from the same source, they dont . they have similar qualities but it doesn't stem from the same source (Younger Son)

    It's just like Coke and Pepsi, both are softdrinks, but they do not share the same manufacturer, Coke comes from the Coca Cola Company while Pepsi comes from PepsiCo, they do not come from the same source much like the qualities of the Senjus and Uzumakis, they are alike, but not the same, for the Senju's source is the Younger Son while the Uzumaki's source are the Ohtsutsukis themselves.
    OH SNAP, Sir Derp took out the guns!!! lol
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    False, they trained in sealing ninjutsu, not gifted with it. Unlike the Uzumaki who trained only in sealing techs, Senju trained in variety of techs, much like the Rikudou sennin himself.

    Senju are naturally blessed with good life force, another fact. So far the Senju we know have only been killed in battle. Uzumaki as I recall lived outside on an island.

    Uzumaki have strong bodies, due to the fact that they have Senju lineage inside them. On top of that you need a Senju body to be the Juubi jinchuriki....that should already tell you which one is higher..

    And no you and many others misinterpret the manga scans wrong. She said Leaf's aka Hashirama's Senju Clan and the Uzumaki Clan were distant relatives. Clans formed over time. It doesn't mean that they aren't from the same Younger Son.
    During the younger son, shinobi clans did not exist.
    Don't jump to conclusions, I dont think you fully understood me, and let me correct you on a few details

    First of all, they were gifted/and probably intrusted with sealing techs some of them which was created by SO6P like RDS i,e. Kushina for example had the special ability of the chakra chains, similar to Gedo mazo's chains that is currently chaining the bijuus. I'm quite certain not just anyone would be able to use those chains even if they "trained" as you say, its an inherited gift/potential unique to uzumaki clan, Kushina stated that the uzumaki have special chakra and life energy, and she in particular was special even among the uzumaki clan which is why she was kidnapped by the lightning country.

    Secondly I think you misinterpreted me not the other way around, because I specifically said that the Uzumaki were said to be distant relatives of the Senju, and considering the Senju originates from the younger son the logical assumption would be that the uzumaki are also decendants of the younger son - senju however is a more direct and pure lineage "as far as we know".

    however Sir Derp and I have a different theory regarding the uzumakis origins http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=435243, but in this case I dont mind entertaining the thought that what the manga said was actually true - wouldnt wanna make things complicated for you
     
         
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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    I'm afraid there is a misconception regarding the origin of the Uzumaki Clan as coming from the Younger Son much like the Senjus.

    It has been made clear in the Manga that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis



    Even if one argues that the Uzumakis weren't mentioned simply because they came afterwards from an established Senju Clan, (aka the Uzumakis being an off-shoot clan) then it is still contradicted by that panel which states:

    "Even as the bloodline faded, the brothers' descendants continued fighting"

    And the Uzumaki Clan was ultimately absent from the Senju vs Uchiha Fighting



    There is also the matter of the trademark red hair of the pure-blooded Uzumakis, something the Senjus don't share:




    Red hair is a recessive gene in humans, only if the ancestors of the Uzumakis were all redheads can their descendants continue the trademark hair, seeing how recessive red hair is we need only look at Naruto: the combination of Kushina's red hair gene with Minato's yellow resulted in Naruto getting Yellow Hair instead of red, because red is recessive.

    The Younger Son was never stated to have red hair, in fact, in the anime depiction it's black:



    I could only come to the conclusion that the Uzumaki's ancestors were the original redheads, not stemming from the Younger Son's line but from another: The Ohtsutsukis aka the Rikudou Sennin's original family line.

    I think it is also a misnomer to say that the Uzumakis and Senjus share qualities like life force, chakra, etc. because the word "share" implied that they come from the same source, they have similar qualities but it doesn't stem from the same source (Younger Son)

    It's just like Coke and Pepsi, both are softdrinks, but they do not share the same manufacturer, Coke comes from the Coca Cola Company while Pepsi comes from PepsiCo, they do not come from the same source much like the qualities of the Senjus and Uzumakis, they are alike, but not the same, for the Senju's source is the Younger Son while the Uzumaki's source are the Ohtsutsukis themselves.
    Nice observation. Though u seem to be in a misconception yourself. The scan that u showed was shown in context with hashirama and madara, mentioning others would be irrelavant.

    The scans of kushina talk about only the senju clan and uzumaki clan of her timing being distant relatives. For them to be distant relatives they must share the same ancestor.

    Nagato a pure uzumaki, according to you, is from the senju lineage. Not the senju clan... but the senju lineage.. furthering my point on the fact that both clans are from the same lineage.

    For nagato to be a pure uzumaki his parents would have to be pure uzumaki.... but his parents didn't have red hair.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    or maybe they were a muggle and couldn't actally use chakra.
     
         

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    Re: Hashiramas Son Half Uzumaki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    I'm afraid there is a misconception regarding the origin of the Uzumaki Clan as coming from the Younger Son much like the Senjus.

    It has been made clear in the Manga that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis



    Even if one argues that the Uzumakis weren't mentioned simply because they came afterwards from an established Senju Clan, (aka the Uzumakis being an off-shoot clan) then it is still contradicted by that panel which states:

    "Even as the bloodline faded, the brothers' descendants continued fighting"

    And the Uzumaki Clan was ultimately absent from the Senju vs Uchiha Fighting



    There is also the matter of the trademark red hair of the pure-blooded Uzumakis, something the Senjus don't share:




    Red hair is a recessive gene in humans, only if the ancestors of the Uzumakis were all redheads can their descendants continue the trademark hair, seeing how recessive red hair is we need only look at Naruto: the combination of Kushina's red hair gene with Minato's yellow resulted in Naruto getting Yellow Hair instead of red, because red is recessive.

    The Younger Son was never stated to have red hair, in fact, in the anime depiction it's black:



    I could only come to the conclusion that the Uzumaki's ancestors were the original redheads, not stemming from the Younger Son's line but from another: The Ohtsutsukis aka the Rikudou Sennin's original family line.

    I think it is also a misnomer to say that the Uzumakis and Senjus share qualities like life force, chakra, etc. because the word "share" implies that they come from the same source, they dont . they have similar qualities but it doesn't stem from the same source (Younger Son)

    It's just like Coke and Pepsi, both are softdrinks, but they do not share the same manufacturer, Coke comes from the Coca Cola Company while Pepsi comes from PepsiCo, they do not come from the same source much like the qualities of the Senjus and Uzumakis, they are alike, but not the same, for the Senju's source is the Younger Son while the Uzumaki's source are the Ohtsutsukis themselves.
    Gun Number 2 from my part LOL "old theory of mine"

    The Uzumaki Clan Origin

    Kaguya eats the Forbidden Fruit. So6p is Born with Chakra already within his body - but does he have Rinnegan? or did he aquire it later on by harnessing Jubi's power? - if he was Born with it, then chances are high that So6p is fatherless, that he was born of Jubi "which makes Jubi his father" so that rules out the being Uzumaki theory. If So6p did infact have a father "although highly unlikely" thenhe could be anyone from no one to Jashin to Uzumaki, but we'll rule that out for now.

    To the point >> Did it mention in the Manga what happened to Kaguya afterwards? and if Jubi took back his power? - I Believe Not!, because if it did, then Jubi wouldve probably gone back to being a Tree and he wouldve killed Baby So6p without someone protecting him! - This means, either Kaguya lived on, or Her powers did! "pure logic"

    Now Judging from So6p's life's mission to destroy and defeat the Jubi, i'd say he had a personal matter to take care with him, and what could be more so, than Jubi being responsible for his Mothers death!!

    I Believe Kaguya died when So6p was still little, but not in vain. Unlike So6p who was born with his chakra, Kaguya "recieved her chakra" so its easier to distribute i imagine.

    I Believe that before she died, Kaguya Distributed her chakra amongst her people "the Ootsutsuki Clan" and entrusted So6p to some of their Monks/Priests "afterall So6p was said to have been a priest" Kaguya did this to ensure her son's saftey from the Jubi.

    It is my hypothesis that After their princess kaguya's death, the Ootsutsuki clan moved from wherever they lived to the now called Whirpool country, and with that - they created the first "Hidden Village/Country" in an attempt to escape Jubi's wrath.

    Since the Ootsutsuki had now kaguyas chakra in their bodies, their offsprings "children" also had chakra already inside them! - however considerably less than So6p'ss since it was divided amongst them. These were the first shinobi's after So6p, and the first Uzumaki's. As they changed their country, Hid not only from the Jubi but also from the warring countries, they also changed their name.



    (This also explains why Uzumaki have lots of chakra, unique and why they are Good at sealing, and im sure So6p first learned sealing techniques from his fellow Uzumaki elders.)
     
         
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