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    Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Hello guys, I am bored a bit and one question bothers me a bit. If Naruto never becomes Kurama jin again then what would he need to keep same place as BSM Naruto or at least close to it.

    I can only see two scenarios:

    1) SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains - Where would you put him in top 10
    2) KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains - Where would you put him in top 10

    Do you think First point could be enough or no ?

    If not then could Second point be enough or still not... ?

    If you think not, then what in your opinion Naruto would need to reach BSM Naruto with Kurama's level ?

    My opinion about Naruto versions mentioned by me above places in top 5



    top 5 (with SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains)
    1. Juubi jin Obito
    2. Madara
    3. Hashirama
    4. EMS Sasuke with PS
    5. SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains

    top 5 (with KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains)
    1. Juubi Jin Obito
    2. Madara
    3. Hashirama
    4. KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains/ EMS Sasuke with PS
    5. Healthy Nagato



    Remember gap created by difference of sheer power can be covered by Great skills(SOSP defeated and sealed Juubi)

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    EMS sauce > naruto with Pa and ma
    EMS sauce > naruto w/o
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    I think Naruto needs to awaken a new level of Sage Mode.

    Kabuto's DSM is superior to Naruto's, IMO. If Naruto could awaken Kabuto-like SM, plus get FTG, I think he'd be top 5.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    EMS sauce > naruto with Pa and ma
    EMS sauce > naruto w/o
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    you are butthurt, get cookie and clear you mind. Really you have to open your eyes and read my thread not writting about your dream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jane the Killer View Post
    I think Naruto needs to awaken a new level of Sage Mode.

    Kabuto's DSM is superior to Naruto's, IMO. If Naruto could awaken Kabuto-like SM, plus get FTG, I think he'd be top 5.
    Most likely , nice idea.

    But could it be enough to match BSM Naruto ?... we saw in the manga.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    B-B-B-But, he has Sage Mode?

    He doesn't need one, but it'll be funny if he does.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Jane the Killer View Post
    I think Naruto needs to awaken a new level of Sage Mode.

    Kabuto's DSM is superior to Naruto's, IMO. If Naruto could awaken Kabuto-like SM, plus get FTG, I think he'd be top 5.
    Kabuto Sm was superior due to experiment not something he awaken. the snake sage mode didnt even grant he durability like what the toad sage mode did.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Raekwon26 View Post
    B-B-B-But, he has Sage Mode?

    He doesn't need one, but it'll be funny if he does.
    , please re-read my thread and answer for my question.

    Quote Originally Posted by kazekaine View Post
    Kabuto Sm was superior due to experiment not something he awaken. the snake sage mode didnt even grant he durability like what the toad sage mode did.
    ^^ True
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Off-topic

    you are butthurt, get cookie and clear you mind. Really you have to open your eyes and read my thread not writting about your dream.


    Most likely , nice idea.

    But could it be enough to match BSM Naruto ?... we saw in the manga.

    lel Pa and ma make no difference.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    lel Pa and ma make no difference.
    you know that ma and pa wasnt mention not even once in OP post right?
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    lel Pa and ma make no difference.

    Just going off topic: alone yes, with frog summons maybe a bit. However do not forget about flying thunder god technique which well utilized with Naruto using his clones to surprise attacks along with frog summons and ma and pa could be formidable opponent.

    Anyway you didn't read my thread. I mentioned Kushina's chakra chains + FTG v2... so I still wait for your reply

    I think you understimate this hypothetical Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by kazekaine View Post
    you know that ma and pa wasnt mention not even once in OP post right?
    , exactly
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Just going off topic: alone yes, with frog summons maybe a bit. However do not forget about flying thunder god technique which well utilized with Naruto using his clones to surprise attacks along with frog summons and ma and pa could be formidable opponent.

    Anyway you didn't read my thread. I mentioned Kushina's chakra chains + FTG v2... so I still wait for your reply

    I think you understimate this hypothetical Naruto.
    i don't. we all know naruto has the speed. and tho he hasn't his moms chains. he never did it outside where the seals was kept inside is body.

    But KCM cannot defeat EMS sasuke yet. KCSM can't either since sauce has Complete susano/PS
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    i don't. we all know naruto has the speed. and tho he hasn't his moms chains. he never did it outside where the seals was kept inside is body.

    But KCM cannot defeat EMS sasuke yet. KCSM can't either since sauce has Complete susano/PS
    Ok I know, but this is "If something" case

    Do you really think KCSM Naruto with FTG v2(Minato's master) and Kushina chakra chains(Kushina's mastery) would do no difference at least ?
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Ok I know, but this is "If something" case

    Do you really think KCSM Naruto with FTG v2(Minato's master) and Kushina chakra chains(Kushina's mastery) would do no difference at least ?
    he hasn't kushina chains.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    he hasn't kushina chains.
    Mr. smartass BUT IF HE HAS THEM + FTG v2... could it make difference ?

    JUST HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, use your imagination adding Minato's FTG v2 feats and Kshina's chakra chains feats to Naruto.

    Just answer this
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Mr. smartass BUT IF HE HAS THEM + FTG v2... could it make difference ?

    JUST HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, use your imagination adding Minato's FTG v2 feats and Kshina's chakra chains feats to Naruto.

    Just answer this

    now i finally undestand. i didn't eat a cookie. but it would make it yeah. since Kushiha chains > full Kyuubi i would think he could solo most out of top ten. i mean there was almost no escaping thus
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    now i finally undestand. i didn't eat a cookie. but it would make it yeah. since Kushiha chains > full Kyuubi i would think he could solo most out of top ten. i mean there was almost no escaping thus
    Thanks I am glad we agree to this

    + rep for you for giving me answer finally after this long our debate lol
     
         
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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    The thing is, Naruto's avatar was the answer to Susanoo (both big and give good protection). He still would need large jutsus to compete with Susanoo or Hashirama's Bhudda etc
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Rokudaime Hokage Naruto View Post
    The thing is, Naruto's avatar was the answer to Susanoo (both big and give good protection). He still would need large jutsus to compete with Susanoo or Hashirama's Bhudda etc
    Well chakra chains were able to stop Full Kurama... I doubt Sussano is above it, even PS.

    He could spam clones and use Mini TBB from all sides teleporting to different angles by using FTG
     
         
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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Thanks I am glad we agree to this

    + rep for you for giving me answer finally after this long our debate lol
    haha. i'm sorry i didn't understand you at first i will not open my mouth so quickly the next time
     
         

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    haha. i'm sorry i didn't understand you at first i will not open my mouth so quickly the next time
    no problem friend , the most imporatant is fact that we could finally understood each other
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KCMNaruto View Post
    Hello guys, I am bored a bit and one question bothers me a bit. If Naruto never becomes Kurama jin again then what would he need to keep same place as BSM Naruto or at least close to it.

    I can only see two scenarios:

    1) SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains - Where would you put him in top 10
    2) KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains - Where would you put him in top 10

    Do you think First point could be enough or no ?

    If not then could Second point be enough or still not... ?

    If you think not, then what in your opinion Naruto would need to reach BSM Naruto with Kurama's level ?

    My opinion about Naruto versions mentioned by me above places in top 5



    top 5 (with SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains)
    1. Juubi jin Obito
    2. Madara
    3. Hashirama
    4. EMS Sasuke with PS
    5. SM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chakra's chains

    top 5 (with KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains)
    1. Juubi Jin Obito
    2. Madara
    3. Hashirama
    4. KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains/ EMS Sasuke with PS
    5. Healthy Nagato



    Remember gap created by difference of sheer power can be covered by Great skills(SOSP defeated and sealed Juubi)

    Thanks for reading !

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    Well KSM would put Naruto's power around Full BM power in my opinion and BM was enough to match the combined power of 5 fully powered Bijuus. I always saw BM power being greater than PS's power from Madara saying PS power is comparable to the Bijuu and BM matched 5 Bijuus easily and a roar blast them back as well. So with KSM alone he would be in top 10 and with FTG, I think he would be in top 5.

    I also agree that gap in power can be covered by skills but also strategy as shown with Shikamaru and in some cases Sasuke, Naruto, Neji, and a few others. Some ninjas have power, skills and smarts like Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen, Itachi, Madara, ect and they can be hard to beat but some ninjas have different types of smarts that can overcome others. Naruto vs Neji is a prime case, Neji had skills, smarts and power over Naruto and Naruo overcame him with his own unique smarts and power.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Still gets stomped by BSM Naruto, not even anywhere near his level.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    I think Naruto needs chakara from all the bijuus so that he can get a sage of the 6 paths type mode. He should then combine this with sage mode.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains + Able to summon and fuse with ma and pa = Sure that works thus sound genjutsu while he's fighting, it can work.
     
         

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    Re: Powers No Kurama Naruto would need to be close to BSM Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Still gets stomped by BSM Naruto, not even anywhere near his level.
    Well that is your opinion but I respect it

    Quote Originally Posted by chaos control View Post
    I think Naruto needs chakara from all the bijuus so that he can get a sage of the 6 paths type mode. He should then combine this with sage mode.
    maybe thanks for your opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by iNotorious View Post
    KCSM Naruto with FTG v2 and Kushina chaka's chains + Able to summon and fuse with ma and pa = Sure that works thus sound genjutsu while he's fighting, it can work.
    I think that as well... but even without sound genjutsu it could be enough
     
         

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