[Discussion] Naruto's second element fire or water???or something else?

[kyuubisage]

IF NARUTO GETS FIRE FOR HIS SECOND ELEMENT THEN MAN HE CAN CREATE SOME GREAT COMBO JUTSUS....BUT IF HE GETS WATER FOR HIS SECOND ELEMENT THEN ITS KINDA LIKE THE SAME THING GOIN ON WITH HAKU....HE HAD WIND AND WATER WHICH HE MANUPULATED AND CREATED HIS BLOODLINE LIMIT RITE??IF NARUTO HAS WIND AND WATER DO U THINK NARUTO CAN DO HAKU'S JUTSU?IF HAKU WAS THERE TO TEACH HIM(JUST A THOUGHT)ITS A BLOODLINE LIMIT SO I DNT THINK NARUTO WILL GET WATER.....THIS IS MY VIEW SO HE MITE GET FIRE AS THE KYUUBI CAN USE FIRE...IF HE GOT WATER AND WIND THEN SASUKE'S NINJUTSUS WNT HAVE ANY EFFECT(ELEMENTAL NIN JUTSUS)COZ WATER REPELS FIRE AND WIND REPELS LIGHTNING.....SASUKE WILL SERIOUSLY GET PWNED...:P
AND I DNT THINK KISHI WUD WANT TO PUT SASUKE IN SUCH A SITUATION...
THEY'RE KINDA EQUAL RITE NOW UNLESS NARUTO GETS WATER.....IF HE GETS WATER THEN NARUTO HAS THE UPPER HAND
BOTH HAVE GOT MINDBLOWING TECHNIQUES....

<------------------------------------>
CHIDORI<---------------------------------------->RASENGAN
CURSED SEAL(WHEN HE HAD)<------------->FOX CLOAK MODE
MAGEKYOU SHARINGAN<-------------------->SENNIN MODE
KIRIN<-------------------------------------------->FUUTON:RASEN-SHURIKEN
CHIDORI-SENBO<------------------------------>RASEN-RENDON
CHIDORI NAGAS<------------------------------>SENPODAMA RASENGAN
KHUCHIYOSE NO JUTSU<-------------------->KHUCHIYOSE NO JUTSU
ETERNAL MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN<------>KYUUBI'S NEW FULL CHAKRA


SO THEY'RE KINDA EVENLY MATCHED RITE NOW BUT IF NARUTO GETS WATER THEN MAN SASUKE WILL HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME FIGHTING NARUTO...WELL HE'S JUST GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME FIGHTIN NARUTO COZ HE ALREADY HAS CONTROL OVER THE KYUUBI NOW...SASUKE CUDNT BEAT HACHIBI WITH HIS MANGEKYOU AND SINCE KYUUBI IS MORE POWERFUL THAN HACHIBI THEN I THINK SASUKE WNT BE ABLE TO BEAT NARUTO WITH HIS MANGEKYOU....IF SASUKE BEATS NARUTO THEN THIS SERIES WUD BE CALLES SASUKE....LOL:P

[Qcks]

Just for the record, Naruto won't be getting a second element.

He will probably win against Sasuke, but I don't think it's going to be a hard cclear cut victory in a 1 on 1 fight.
Naruto's going to beat Sasuke with his ideals, which is really what this series has been about from day one.

[ninryu]

so far it wasn't said that Naruto have a second element. I personally think the Kyuubi's element is fire, but it's not a sure thing.

[kyuubisage]

just for the record, naruto won't be getting a second element.

He will probably win against sasuke, but i don't think it's going to be a hard cclear cut victory in a 1 on 1 fight.
Naruto's going to beat sasuke with his ideals, which is really what this series has been about from day one.

yea i think ur rite.....it good the way it is with naruto havin just one element....and yes i also think naruto will win over sasuke not with power or jutsu or crap but with friendship and belief and things like that.....thanks for the reply man...really appreciate other naruto fans......

[LorDRaishin]

Sasuke actually has 3 elements according to Narutowiki ....

Fire
Lightning
Blaze(Amaterasu)


Naruto currently has 2
Wind
Fire/Blaze(Kyuubi, it breathes fire)
sooo... dunno mayb third could go water... or he wont even get a 3rd.

[Sade]

we will see...we just have to w8....

[NipponIchi]

Sasuke actually has 3 elements according to Narutowiki ....

Fire
Lightning
Blaze(Amaterasu)


Naruto currently has 2
Wind
Fire/Blaze(Kyuubi, it breathes fire)
sooo... dunno mayb third could go water... or he wont even get a 3rd.

doubt thats correct.. why would naruto have fire/blaze from kyuubi? he hasnt even used it and blaze is enton.. if naruto were to get a second element which i doubt he would.. it should be water.. because his fathers last name is linked to water/wave and wind and so is his mothers..

[Sade]

doubt thats correct.. why would naruto have fire/blaze from kyuubi? he hasnt even used it and blaze is enton.. if naruto were to get a second element which i doubt he would.. it should be water.. because his fathers last name is linked to water/wave and wind and so is his mothers..

because in see we see usually whirpools?maybe yes but the fire makes whirpools too..

[LorDRaishin]

I said fire cause kyuubi uses fire in his full version ...

his first element could be from his father(not sure tho)

and 2nd element from mom ... which could go water.

all these are still hypothesis tho :D

[Sade]

I said fire cause kyuubi uses fire in his full version ...

his first element could be from his father(not sure tho)

and 2nd element from mom ... which could go water.

all these are still hypothesis tho :D

yeah mn of course:D...but how do u know that the nature chakrathat his mother had was watr,...cause uzumaki means whirool....i don think...if he has his fathers then must be a kekkei genkai or sth,and i think his father had swiftness cause all of his techs have to dome with speed,....anyway...i ont think he will have another elelent...only wind ,the chakra of kyubinarure chakra from sage mode and sealing techs if he mastered anything...

[LorDRaishin]

yeah mn of course:D...but how do u know that the nature chakrathat his mother had was watr,...cause uzumaki means whirool....i don think...if he has his fathers then must be a kekkei genkai or sth,and i think his father had swiftness cause all of his techs have to dome with speed,....anyway...i ont think he will have another elelent...only wind ,the chakra of kyubinarure chakra from sage mode and sealing techs if he mastered anything...

yup ... and since his father was swift and melee ... wind is acutually the best suited element. Thats why I said he got wind from his dad's side

cant wait for the next chapter

[Sade]

yup ... and since his father was swift and melee ... wind is acutually the best suited element. Thats why I said he got wind from his dad's side

cant wait for the next chapter

maybe its true...the truth is one thing...we are gonna learn about a lot of things in the next few chapters....

[Excitè]

Well Ive Done Research On The Kyuubi, In The Japanese Myth It Said That Its Attribute Was Fire & Lightning Able To Shoot It Out Of Its Tail Or Mouth. While Watchin Shippuden Episode 167 When It Begins To Transform Into The 6 Tail State Lightning Comes Shooting Down, The Kyuubi Was Seen Many Times Shoot Fire Balls Out Of Its Mouth Him. Naruto And The Kyuubi Share The Same Body Why Cant They Share The Same Element???

Here's The Research Info
Kitsune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Origins
A nine-tailed fox, from the Qing edition of the ancient text Shan Hai Jing.

It is widely agreed that many fox myths in Japan can be traced to China, Korea, or India. Chinese folk tales tell of fox spirits (called Huli-jin) that may have up to nine tails. Many of the earliest surviving stories are recorded in the Konjaku Monogatari, an 11th-century collection of Chinese, Indian, and Japanese narratives.[1]

There is debate whether the kitsune myths originated entirely from foreign sources or are in part an indigenous Japanese concept dating as far back as the fifth century BC. Japanese folklorist Kiyoshi Nozaki argues that the Japanese regarded kitsune positively as early as the 4th century A.D.; the only things imported from China or Korea were the kitsune's negative attributes.[2] He states that, according to a 16th-century book of records called the Nihon Ryakki, foxes and human beings lived in close proximity in ancient Japan, and he contends that indigenous legends about the creatures arose as a result.[3] Inari scholar Karen Smyers notes that the idea of the fox as seductress and the connection of the fox myths to Buddhism were introduced into Japanese folklore through similar Chinese stories, but she maintains that some fox stories contain elements unique to Japan.[4


Kitsune are believed to possess superior intelligence, long life, and magical powers. They are a type of yōkai, or spiritual entity, and the word kitsune is often translated as fox spirit. However, this does not mean that kitsune are ghosts, nor that they are fundamentally different from regular foxes. Because the word spirit is used to reflect a state of knowledge or enlightenment, all long-lived foxes gain supernatural abilities.[4]

There are two common classifications of kitsune. The zenko (善狐?, literally, good foxes) are benevolent, celestial foxes associated with Inari-god; they are sometimes simply called Inari foxes. On the other hand, the yako (野狐?, literally, outsider foxes) tend to be mischievous or even malicious.[8] Local traditions add further types.[9] For example, a ninko is an invisible fox spirit that human beings can only perceive when it possesses them. Another tradition classifies kitsune into one of thirteen types defined by which supernatural abilities the kitsune possesses.[10][11]

Physically, kitsune are noted for having as many as nine tails.[12] Generally, a greater number of tails indicates an older and more powerful fox; in fact, some folktales say that a fox will only grow additional tails after it has lived 1,000 years.[13] One, five, seven, and nine tails are the most common numbers in folk stories.[14] When a kitsune gains its ninth tail, its fur becomes white or gold.[12] These kyūbi no kitsune (九尾の狐?, nine-tailed foxes) gain the abilities to see and hear anything happening anywhere in the world. Other tales attribute them infinite wisdom (omniscience).[15]



Shapeshifting

A kitsune may take on human form, an ability learned when it reaches a certain age — usually 100 years, although some tales say 50.[13] As a common prerequisite for the transformation, the fox must place reeds, a broad leaf, or a skull over its head.[16] Common forms assumed by kitsune include beautiful women, young girls, or elderly men. These shapes are not limited by the fox's age or gender,[4] and a kitsune can duplicate the appearance of a specific person.[17] Foxes are particularly renowned for impersonating beautiful women. Common belief in medieval Japan was that any woman encountered alone, especially at dusk or night, could be a fox.[18]

In some stories, kitsune have difficulty hiding their tails when they take human form; looking for the tail, perhaps when the fox gets drunk or careless, is a common method of discerning the creature's true nature.[19] Variants on the theme have the kitsune retain other foxlike traits, such as a coating of fine hair, a fox-shaped shadow, or a reflection that shows its true form.[20] Kitsune-gao or fox-faced refers to human females who have a narrow face with close-set eyes, thin eyebrows, and high cheekbones. Traditionally, this facial structure is considered attractive, and some tales ascribe it to foxes in human form.[21] Kitsune have a fear and hatred of dogs even while in human form, and some become so rattled by the presence of dogs that they revert to the shape of a fox and flee. A particularly devout individual may be able to see through a fox's disguise automatically.[22]

One folk story illustrating these imperfections in the kitsune's human shape concerns Koan, a historical person credited with wisdom and magical powers of divination. According to the story, he was staying at the home of one of his devotees when he scalded his foot entering a bath because the water had been drawn too hot. Then, "in his pain, he ran out of the bathroom naked. When the people of the household saw him, they were astonished to see that Koan had fur covering much of his body, along with a fox's tail. Then Koan transformed in front of them, becoming an elderly fox and running away."[23]

Other supernatural abilities commonly attributed to the kitsune include possession, mouths or tails that generate fire or lightning (known as kitsune-bi; literally, fox-fire), willful manifestation in the dreams of others, flight, invisibility, and the creation of illusions so elaborate as to be almost indistinguishable from reality.[16][20] Some tales speak of kitsune with even greater powers, able to bend time and space, drive people mad, or take fantastic shapes such as a tree of incredible height or a second moon in the sky.[24][25] Other kitsune have characteristics reminiscent of vampires or succubi and feed on the life or spirit of human beings, generally through sexual contact.[26]




In fiction

Embedded in Japanese folklore as they are, kitsune appear in numerous Japanese works. Noh, kyogen, bunraku, and kabuki plays derived from folk tales feature them,[64][65] as do contemporary works such as anime, manga and video games. Western authors of fiction have begun to make use of the kitsune legends. Although these portrayals vary considerably, kitsune are generally depicted in accordance with folk stories, as wise, cunning, and powerful beings.

Kuzunoha, mother of Abe no Seimei, is a well-known kitsune character in traditional Japanese theater. She is featured in the five-part bunraku and kabuki play Ashiya Dōman Ōuchi Kagami (The Mirror of Ashiya Dōman and Ōuchi). The fourth part, Kuzunoha or The Fox of Shinoda Wood, is often performed independently of the other scenes and tells of the discovery of Kuzunoha's kitsune nature and her subsequent departure from her husband and child.[66][67]

Tamamo-no-Mae is the subject of the noh drama Sesshoseki (The Death Stone) and of kabuki and kyogen plays titled Tamamonomae (The Beautiful Fox Witch). Tamamo-no-Mae commits evil deeds in India, China, and Japan but is discovered and dies. Her spirit transforms into the "killing stone" of the noh play's title. She is eventually redeemed by the Buddhist priest Gennō.[68][69][70]

Genkurō is a kitsune renowned for his filial piety. In the bunraku and kabuki drama Yoshitsune Sembon Zakura (Yoshitsune and the Thousand Cherry Trees), Yoshitsune's lover, Lady Shizuka, owns a hand-drum made from the skins of Genkuro's parents. The fox takes human form and becomes his retainer, Satō Tadanobu, but his identity is revealed. The kitsune explains that he hears the voice of his parents when the drum is struck. Yoshitsune and Shizuka give him the drum, so Genkuro grants Yoshitsune magical protection..[61][71][72]

Kitsune is the name of a woman/legendary figure in The Veil trilogy by Christopher Golden. Kitsune usually takes the guise of a beautiful Japanese woman who wears a foxfur cloak, but is able to transform herself into a fox when the occasion calls for it. At turns Kitsune is enamored by, and adversarial of, the main character of the series, Oliver Bascombe.

The myth Tamamo-no-Mae is referenced in the video game Ōkami.

Miles "Tails" Prower from the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series is said by several sources to be a kitsune, due to him having two tails.

The Pokémon Vulpix and the Digimon Renamon, as well as their evolutions, are based on kitsune and similar fox legends.

The InuYasha Character Shippo is a kitsune demon. The same mangaka's (Rumiko Takahashi) earlier work Urusei Yatsura also features a fox spirit named Kitsune who becomes a loyal companion to one of the series leads, Shinobu Miyake, and can transform into "chibi" versions (with fox ears) of the other characters from the series.

Ran Yakumo from Touhou, Yukari Yakumo's shikigami, is also a kitsune.

Youko Kurama from YuYu Hakusho is a kitsune spirit living in a human body.

Wagaya no Oinari-sama. is an anime about a mischievous guardian kitsune.

The series Usagi Yojimbo by Stan Sakai contains a recurring female thief and friend of Usagi named Kitsune.

In Love Hina, there is a character calling Mitsune "Kitsune" Konno, with her eyes based in a kitsune.

In the Star Fox video game series, the main character Fox McCloud was partially inspired by kitsune.

In The Legend of Zelda video game series, the Keaton race is based on kitsune.

In Kelley Armstrong's short story collection, Men of the Otherworld, the story "Kitsunegari" features several kitsune and a part-kitsune werewolf.

In Ljane Smith's The Vampire Diaries - The Return: Nightfall, the main antagonists is a couple of cruel and malevolent kitsune twins, Shinichi and Misao, who are bent on destroying the entire town for their own amusement

In the video game series Animal Crossing Tom Nook's shopkeeper rival, Crazy Redd, is a kitsune (opposingly as Nook himself is a tanuki.) Redd is known as a trickster in the game, operating the Black Market; he will often sell the player plain objects at inflated prices.

In the manga Naruto, the main character Naruto Uzumaki is possessed by a very destructive giant kitsune (the Kyuubi, or nine-tailed demon) at the time of his birth via a seal. As a result, he has facial markings that resemble fox whiskers and is often mischievous. When enraged he takes fox-like traits and occasionally projects a kyubi-shaped aura and has a matching shadow.

In Namco x Capcom, the female protagontist, Xiaomu, is a 765-year-old kitsune

[David]

I think his second is water, but we wont find that out until after the war. And i agree, he'll probably be able to use fire because of the fox.

[Sade]

why does he have to take 2nd element...anyway....that the whole article about the fox-spiritual animals that exist in the tradition of japan was awesome!!!i love it!!!nic work man!!!anyway...yeah...probably wil use fire cause its in the name as u said...yeah if he uses another one one probably will be katon...and its not gonna be blaze or a regular katon jutsu,i think so,....but sth greater...

[~ Killer S ~]

Wait for the Next chapters

[Sade]

Wait for the Next chapters

we know man...the next 5 maybe more chapters are gonna solve alot of mysteries but new are gonna born...

[Astral]

Just for the record, Naruto won't be getting a second element.

He will probably win against Sasuke, but I don't think it's going to be a hard cclear cut victory in a 1 on 1 fight.
Naruto's going to beat Sasuke with his ideals, which is really what this series has been about from day one.

You cant guarantee anything on record about naruto, naruto could possibly gain another affinity, why is he limited to only wind? it would be dumb if all naruto can use is wind, if there was any element naruto would use, it would have to be earth, naruto cant have water, fire, or lightning purely because sasuke has lightning and fire, and water puts out fire, and wind makes fire stronger, and u cant have 2 lightnings. then the idea of naruto blending his fox chakra with an element could come up, and possibly a whole new element to be made.. Who knows

[Sade]

with the exact same way of thinking why does he have to gain another one....he dont have too like kakashi has only lightning....so i dont think is necessery to have up from 2 elements...i dont think he can gain sth elese...only with the unleash os kyubbi's chakra the narutra chakra of kyubbi...

[NarutoUzumakiMinato]

Give me one good reason in y Naruto would earn another affinity......

If Naruto is to get any affinity from the kyuubi i hope its Lighting........
fire wouldnt really suit Naruto.....but if Naruto is to get any affinity at
all my money goes to Water....it just seems more Narutoish to me and
hopefully with Water he could make a new affinity

[Konoha Rokudaime]

I agree. If Naruto is gonna have 2nd element, it'll be Suiton.

[Sade]

I agree. If Naruto is gonna have 2nd element, it'll be Suiton.

yeah maybe...if he has another...or suiton or kyubi's katon...

[shinobijutsu]

i think it fire to because of the nine tailed fox legends say that the white on there tails is fire they used to carry it in there mouths until they eat some thing and lost it

[Mmavro]

KIRIN<-------------------------------------------->FUUTON:RASEN-SHURIKEN

these 2 cannot be compared since wind beats lighting

[Mmavro]

So far Naruto has only used wind to "complete" the Rasengan and to empower Gama Jutsus so even if he shows sings of a second element what use will it be? Will he create a new rasengan?