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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post
    Now I get it A new one eyed God is going to be born out of the Shinju and you think that will be the real final conscious form of the Juubi and for that the Mazou is needed
    Kaguya and Hagoromo are perfect examples of Karma, no matter how good their intentions were, the fact that they stole powers that do not rightfully belong to them have lead to there plans to have gone awry, Kaguya stole the fruit, tried to bring peace, but the Shinju came to life as the Juubi and wrecked havoc in the world, Hagoromo sealed the Juubi and became its Jinchuuriki, tried to establish peace by teaching humanity the ways of Ninshu, but nothing changed, subsequent wars became bloodier (as Madara said) it is the curse of the Outer Path, the Shinobi World are substantially no different than Madara, they're all using stolen powers, the only difference is the degree in which Madara is using that Outer Path power by basically becoming a god to bring illusory peace to the world.

    So unless humanity makes peace with the God-Tree, there can be no true peace, the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) shall continue to turn.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post

    No they won't die I already made a theory Here about that [X]
    You misunderstood my post. I didn't mean Naruto&Sasuke will die at this period cause we still need to see their fight. I meant they will both die in the end of the Manga, something Naruto foreshadowed [1].
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    Kaguya and Hagoromo are perfect examples of Karma, no matter how good their intentions were, the fact that they stole powers that do not rightfully belong to them have lead to there plans to have gone awry, Kaguya stole the fruit, tried to bring peace, but the Shinju came to life as the Juubi and wrecked havoc in the world, Hagoromo sealed the Juubi and became its Jinchuuriki, tried to establish peace by teaching humanity the ways of Ninshu, but nothing changed, subsequent wars became bloodier (as Madara said) it is the curse of the Outer Path, the Shinobi World are substantially no different than Madara, they're all using stolen powers, the only difference is the degree in which Madara is using that Outer Path power by basically becoming a god to bring illusory peace to the world.

    So unless humanity makes peace with the God-Tree, there can be no true peace, the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) shall continue to turn.
    You know what I said in the beggining, that I read different theories and made this.
    Well it was one of your theories that the Juubi will be conscious and Naruto will be able to convince him to forgive humans and I agree You need to make peace with the Shinju in order to achieve peace or it will all start again it is an ever-repeating cycle
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    You misunderstood my post. I didn't mean Naruto&Sasuke will die at this period cause we still need to see their fight. I meant they will both die in the end of the Manga, something Naruto foreshadowed [1].
    This is what Naruto said by Dying, Their Heartbeat stopped right? So they are "technically" dead, they both "technically" died together.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    Kaguya and Hagoromo are perfect examples of Karma, no matter how good their intentions were, the fact that they stole powers that do not rightfully belong to them have lead to there plans to have gone awry, Kaguya stole the fruit, tried to bring peace, but the Shinju came to life as the Juubi and wrecked havoc in the world, Hagoromo sealed the Juubi and became its Jinchuuriki, tried to establish peace by teaching humanity the ways of Ninshu, but nothing changed, subsequent wars became bloodier (as Madara said) it is the curse of the Outer Path, the Shinobi World are substantially no different than Madara, they're all using stolen powers, the only difference is the degree in which Madara is using that Outer Path power by basically becoming a god to bring illusory peace to the world.

    So unless humanity makes peace with the God-Tree, there can be no true peace, the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) shall continue to turn.
    For that to happen you would have to eradicate all evil intentions in the world, that is a feat not even Naruto can achieve. True peace is an illusion that would only be enforce by Madara. There has to be another solution rather than making amends to the Juubi, the beast is a calamity of destruction, I doubt emotions would be effective in that way.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Blades of Chaos View Post
    For that to happen you would have to eradicate all evil intentions in the world, that is a feat not even Naruto can achieve. True peace is an illusion that would only be enforce by Madara. There has to be another solution rather than making amends to the Juubi, the beast is a calamity of destruction, I doubt emotions would be effective in that way.
    There will be peace in the world after this. I think everyone right now understood the meaning of war and I doubt that everyone is starting to make another one. I think that the conscious form of the Juubi will be the Good of peace and watch over the world and prevent any form of war from ever happening
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post
    This is what Naruto said by Dying, Their Heartbeat stopped right? So they are "technically" dead, they both "technically" died together.
    Incorrect. Naruto referenced that, by their final fight. ''If we fight Sasuke...we both will die''. He said something similar to that, but point is taken.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    Incorrect. Naruto referenced that, by their final fight. ''If we fight Sasuke...we both will die''. He said something similar to that, but point is taken.
    "Technically" He said If we fight together, and what have they been doing till now? Yeah Fighting together. Thats why they are dying to complete Narutos word's right now.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post
    "Technically" He said If we fight together, and what have they been doing till now? Yeah Fighting together. Thats why they are dying to complete Narutos word's right now.
    First of all, he never said on those lines ''together''. Second, the context of his text is their final fight. We will see Naruto vs Sasuke in the end of the series.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    First of all, he never said on those lines ''together''. Second, the context of his text is their final fight. We will see Naruto vs Sasuke in the end of the series.
    Why should we continue our fight any longer? Even if you are correct I still am gonna protect my personal opinion and vice-versa. So lets end this constant bashing and let's make peace.

    OT. Yes the final fight is definitely going to happen
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Good theorie, but the end, with a god of peace, how should tgat work? Defeating those who aee bad? It would be forced peace :P
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post
    Why should we continue our fight any longer? Even if you are correct I still am gonna protect my personal opinion and vice-versa. So lets end this constant bashing and let's make peace.

    OT. Yes the final fight is definitely going to happen
    There was no bashing what so ever. Regardless, thanks for the rep.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisisaartist View Post
    Good theorie, but the end, with a god of peace, how should tgat work? Defeating those who aee bad? It would be forced peace :P
    Thanks, Well what can I say thats the way I think it is going to be and i think you missunderstood it will stop war when it senses that war can start not with strength but with negotiation

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    There was no bashing what so ever. Regardless, thanks for the rep.
    It felt like it was so close to bashing, and No Problem you deserve it
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    great theory dude
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    great theory dude
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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Love it rep+ but if there's a time skip because I think kishi said it in his own way in june s interview 2012 or 2013 if so it would end like u said but not completely absolute peace can not be achived naruto show relates to real life and were forgetting sasuke who wants to kill the current system like saying if I wipe all bijuus out I can prevent anyone looking for power to take over the world and even so if sasuke found a way to wipe charka from existance he would do it or anything like that naruto cant just kill madara and change the juubi to complete a series of peace more and more people out there are like madara even tho we all together fighting to bring peace what madara wanted at the start or at least I think so he still goes on meaning madara using the power he have now for something else instead of putting people to sleep and seeing the last chapter it seems kishi doing something crazy to naruto hope he don't kill him off temp some how

    Ps there's no time skip for nothing
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    I'm pretty sure naruto is going to be saved by the life force of gedou mazous arm.. kishi doesn't kamui that thing off if it didn't have a purpose.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by flyboyissac1 View Post
    Love it rep+ but if there's a time skip because I think kishi said it in his own way in june s interview 2012 or 2013 if so it would end like u said but not completely absolute peace can not be achived naruto show relates to real life and were forgetting sasuke who wants to kill the current system like saying if I wipe all bijuus out I can prevent anyone looking for power to take over the world and even so if sasuke found a way to wipe charka from existance he would do it or anything like that naruto cant just kill madara and change the juubi to complete a series of peace more and more people out there are like madara even tho we all together fighting to bring peace what madara wanted at the start or at least I think so he still goes on meaning madara using the power he have now for something else instead of putting people to sleep and seeing the last chapter it seems kishi doing something crazy to naruto hope he don't kill him off temp some how

    Ps there's no time skip for nothing
    I think the true end of the series will be everlasting peace so I really, relly hope that can be achieved. And the only possible way for it to end is the treatment they make with the Shinju or the New form of it Steve

    Quote Originally Posted by SixPathsOfTobi View Post
    I'm pretty sure naruto is going to be saved by the life force of gedou mazous arm.. kishi doesn't kamui that thing off if it didn't have a purpose.
    Well there are many ways, But since Madara spit the weapons out, it's most likely that the pot will have to do something with Naruto's new powerup


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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Naruto is not going to solo the Juubi or Madara, he lacks the power and the meaning to do so. Naruto also never directly wished for peace, he wished that he's friends weren't getting hurt and he doesn't wish to change the world. He wish to stop anyone that tries to "destroy" the world and his dream of becoming Hokage and finding the end to the circle of hatred. Sasuke is the one that wishes for peace, he has no wish of ending the circle, he has the wish to change it. Change it into a system and world that will be in peace, a world that the Sage wanted to make. However! Sasuke cannot obtain his goal without Naruto obtaining his goal and Naruto cannot obtain his goal without Sasuke obtaining his. They are two sides of the same coin, and therefore they are more or less aiming for the same thing.This manga has focused heavily on friendship from day one, the trust to put in another and the will to never give up. Here is another thing:

    Naruto has been close to giving up after seeing his friends die at the hands of Obito and Madara.
    Sasuke has never given up, regardless of what he was faced with. His goal has never changed as he still seeks revenge for the Uchiha.

    They are both two sides of the same coin, just as the older and younger son. None of them can achieve their goal without the other. That is why the younger son failed, and that is why Hashirama failed. They lacked the counterpart of themselves to create true peace. Madara stated that by obtaining the power of the Senju and Uchiha, the Yin an Yang, one would achieve true peace. He thinks its the power of these two clans that will bring true peace, but is false as the Sage already had that and he failed. The way to true peace is not the the powers of the two clans, its the cooperation between the two clans in order to bring peace.

    Madara and Hashirama wanted or wants the same thing, but they want to achieve it in different ways, the same as the older and younger son. So they worked for what they believed in and as a follow up to that, they clashed in battle and by doing that they stopped both dreams. Hashirama had no counterpart to fill the gap lacking in his dream and neither did Madara, that is why Madara believes that having the power of these two will bring peace. Madara fails to see the ideal, the very thing that made the Sage so powerful. Madara believes that one can only achieve peace my forcing it upon others through an illusion, Hashirama believes that one can only find peace by making others work for it, They are the Yin and Yang to each other, as they are both correct but neither will work alone. Naruto wishes to that everyone will stand up and fight for what they believe in, while Sasuke wishes to force change upon the Shinobi world and until they both acknowledge the other's ideal, none of them will succeed.

    Madara will fail as he lacks the Yang, while Sasuke and Naruto will succeed as they are both the Yin and Yang, the perfect team and the friends, while at the same time being rivals. They are the balance Madara spoke of ( though he isn't aware of it ) that will bring true peace. Neither Sasuke or Naruto will save the world, they do it together, as one. That is where the Sage failed, he chose a son, rather than choosing both.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by Katakitsu View Post
    Naruto is not going to solo the Juubi or Madara, he lacks the power and the meaning to do so. Naruto also never directly wished for peace, he wished that he's friends weren't getting hurt and he doesn't wish to change the world. He wish to stop anyone that tries to "destroy" the world and his dream of becoming Hokage and finding the end to the circle of hatred. Sasuke is the one that wishes for peace, he has no wish of ending the circle, he has the wish to change it. Change it into a system and world that will be in peace, a world that the Sage wanted to make. However! Sasuke cannot obtain his goal without Naruto obtaining his goal and Naruto cannot obtain his goal without Sasuke obtaining his. They are two sides of the same coin, and therefore they are more or less aiming for the same thing.This manga has focused heavily on friendship from day one, the trust to put in another and the will to never give up. Here is another thing:

    Naruto has been close to giving up after seeing his friends die at the hands of Obito and Madara.
    Sasuke has never given up, regardless of what he was faced with. His goal has never changed as he still seeks revenge for the Uchiha.

    They are both two sides of the same coin, just as the older and younger son. None of them can achieve their goal without the other. That is why the younger son failed, and that is why Hashirama failed. They lacked the counterpart of themselves to create true peace. Madara stated that by obtaining the power of the Senju and Uchiha, the Yin an Yang, one would achieve true peace. He thinks its the power of these two clans that will bring true peace, but is false as the Sage already had that and he failed. The way to true peace is not the the powers of the two clans, its the cooperation between the two clans in order to bring peace.

    Madara and Hashirama wanted or wants the same thing, but they want to achieve it in different ways, the same as the older and younger son. So they worked for what they believed in and as a follow up to that, they clashed in battle and by doing that they stopped both dreams. Hashirama had no counterpart to fill the gap lacking in his dream and neither did Madara, that is why Madara believes that having the power of these two will bring peace. Madara fails to see the ideal, the very thing that made the Sage so powerful. Madara believes that one can only achieve peace my forcing it upon others through an illusion, Hashirama believes that one can only find peace by making others work for it, They are the Yin and Yang to each other, as they are both correct but neither will work alone. Naruto wishes to that everyone will stand up and fight for what they believe in, while Sasuke wishes to force change upon the Shinobi world and until they both acknowledge the other's ideal, none of them will succeed.

    Madara will fail as he lacks the Yang, while Sasuke and Naruto will succeed as they are both the Yin and Yang, the perfect team and the friends, while at the same time being rivals. They are the balance Madara spoke of ( though he isn't aware of it ) that will bring true peace. Neither Sasuke or Naruto will save the world, they do it together, as one. That is where the Sage failed, he chose a son, rather than choosing both.
    My god, your theory was really deep and correct in many ways, and you are correct as for Yin and Yang. But still I insist in my theory thinking peace is only obtained by making the Hatred disappar. And to tell the truth the biggest hatred, is the one of the Shinju, hell bound to get it's chakra back. And as for Sasuke his intentions were only revenge and he still doesn't care about anything else except making the world as he thinks it should be, without relying on his friends. He still want's to kill Naruto as said in many chapters and He doesn't even understand Itachi and his Ideals.
    Both of them represent Yin and Yang and the world can't exist without it. Naruto and sasuke, their cooperation, and the Will change of the Shinju is the final conclusion of the manga and for peace to be obtained.
     
         
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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXPATHSSENNIN View Post
    My god, your theory was really deep and correct in many ways, and you are correct as for Yin and Yang. But still I insist in my theory thinking peace is only obtained by making the Hatred disappar. And to tell the truth the biggest hatred, is the one of the Shinju, hell bound to get it's chakra back. And as for Sasuke his intentions were only revenge and he still doesn't care about anything else except making the world as he thinks it should be, without relying on his friends. He still want's to kill Naruto as said in many chapters and He doesn't even understand Itachi and his Ideals.
    Both of them represent Yin and Yang and the world can't exist without it. Naruto and sasuke, their cooperation, and the Will change of the Shinju is the final conclusion of the manga and for pease to be obtained.
    Now that is where I find your theory a little off. We can feel love as we can feel hatred, we feel sorrow because we feel happiness, we are alone because we can be with someone. That is balance and the true meaning of Yin an Yang, one exists for the meaning of the other. By removing the hatred, you are removing the peace. Which would result in continuing the circle or completely ending it and everything connected to it, like life. Both Naruto and Sasuke wants the same thing, though Naruto is driven by love for others while Sasuke is driven by his hate from others. Sasuke may not understand Itachi's ideals, but he do understand that they were and are important for him and entire world. The ideal to never give up for what you care about, the ideal to sacrifice a part of yourself in order to make it better for someone else. Sasuke fully understands that, and that is the reason he is not willing to die yet, as he hasn't brought peace to anyone.

    Sasuke said one thing to Naruto that is true:

    "You will never understand the pain I've gone through" ( Well he said something along those lines )

    That is true, both Naruto and Sasuke have lived in solitude the difference is that Sasuke still lives in it and he wishes not the break out of it, but rather to understand it. That is why he wishes to change the world, so that he can make others understand the pain he's felt and understand the peace they are letting go off. That is the element the Younger Son, Hashirama and Naruto are missing, the element of solitude and hatred. One cannot understand love and peace without first understanding hatred and sorrow. Madara is aware of this, but he's not been able to face the reality of it, he rather choose to make his own reality.

    You said that Sasuke don't care about anyone or anything, I think that is both true and false. Its true that he don't really care, but its also true that he wish to care for it. That is why he sought the "answer" from the Hokages. He wished to know how Hashirama felt and how Naruto feels about it. I don't think Sasuke wishes for Naruto's death, but I don't think he wishes for his survival either.

    You keep talking about the Shinju as if its the whole thing of a item, when its only half of an item. The Sage being the other part, think about it, the Sage wanted peace and he was able to bring peace to everyone.. BESIDES! The Shinju, which he was never able to bring peace too. Note Hagoromo's words about the Bijuus. He said that a man will come that will lead the Bijuu's in the right direction, he never said the Shinju. He knew that the Shinju was a cancer to earth and peace, and that it would never find peace as he may have seen the Shinju as the essence of hatred itself. Even so, the Sage tried to reason and understand the Shinju but failed as it was not possible. Therefore, splitting it up into several minds and leaving them to the world so that the world could learn each of the minds of the Shinju separately. He always meant for it to be several people to understand them separately, but he also intended there to be one person to lead them. Now, as I talked about the Shinju and the Sage, lets talk about Naruto and Sasuke.

    These four things are alot like each other, Naruto knows part of Sasuke's pain in the same way the Sage new a part of the Shinju's pain. However, Sasuke understands Naruto's pain fully but not his ideal. Because to Sasuke, what Naruto did was unnatural as it was not the same as he did. So Sasuke wishes to understand, not just Naruto but the entire Shinobi System. Sasuke is destined to try and force the world into peace, but he is also destined to break that circle of hatred. The Older Son started the circle and Sasuke will end it, but not alone as if he tired he would still be lacking the Yang. Sasuke has always been ready to die for his cause, and I believe he will in the end. See Sasuke knows hatred, solitude, sorrow and every bad emotion better than most, and therefore he knows how to value the good things about them. I think that Sasuke will force the world into peace, but not in the same way as his ancestors, I believe that he will tear away the peace, love and passion of everyone to show them what they are giving up so easily, so that they can value it. And as a value of this, he will lose his life, be it to Naruto or anyone else.

    Naruto is the one destined to lead, Sasuke is the one destined to understand.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    Now that is where I find your theory a little off. We can feel love as we can feel hatred, we feel sorrow because we feel happiness, we are alone because we can be with someone. That is balance and the true meaning of Yin an Yang, one exists for the meaning of the other. By removing the hatred, you are removing the peace. Which would result in continuing the circle or completely ending it and everything connected to it, like life. Both Naruto and Sasuke wants the same thing, though Naruto is driven by love for others while Sasuke is driven by his hate from others. Sasuke may not understand Itachi's ideals, but he do understand that they were and are important for him and entire world. The ideal to never give up for what you care about, the ideal to sacrifice a part of yourself in order to make it better for someone else. Sasuke fully understands that, and that is the reason he is not willing to die yet, as he hasn't brought peace to anyone.

    Sasuke said one thing to Naruto that is true:

    "You will never understand the pain I've gone through" ( Well he said something along those lines )

    That is true, both Naruto and Sasuke have lived in solitude the difference is that Sasuke still lives in it and he wishes not the break out of it, but rather to understand it. That is why he wishes to change the world, so that he can make others understand the pain he's felt and understand the peace they are letting go off. That is the element the Younger Son, Hashirama and Naruto are missing, the element of solitude and hatred. One cannot understand love and peace without first understanding hatred and sorrow. Madara is aware of this, but he's not been able to face the reality of it, he rather choose to make his own reality.

    You said that Sasuke don't care about anyone or anything, I think that is both true and false. Its true that he don't really care, but its also true that he wish to care for it. That is why he sought the "answer" from the Hokages. He wished to know how Hashirama felt and how Naruto feels about it. I don't think Sasuke wishes for Naruto's death, but I don't think he wishes for his survival either.

    You keep talking about the Shinju as if its the whole thing of a item, when its only half of an item. The Sage being the other part, think about it, the Sage wanted peace and he was able to bring peace to everyone.. BESIDES! The Shinju, which he was never able to bring peace too. Note Hagoromo's words about the Bijuus. He said that a man will come that will lead the Bijuu's in the right direction, he never said the Shinju. He knew that the Shinju was a cancer to earth and peace, and that it would never find peace as he may have seen the Shinju as the essence of hatred itself. Even so, the Sage tried to reason and understand the Shinju but failed as it was not possible. Therefore, splitting it up into several minds and leaving them to the world so that the world could learn each of the minds of the Shinju separately. He always meant for it to be several people to understand them separately, but he also intended there to be one person to lead them. Now, as I talked about the Shinju and the Sage, lets talk about Naruto and Sasuke.

    These four things are alot like each other, Naruto knows part of Sasuke's pain in the same way the Sage new a part of the Shinju's pain. However, Sasuke understands Naruto's pain fully but not his ideal. Because to Sasuke, what Naruto did was unnatural as it was not the same as he did. So Sasuke wishes to understand, not just Naruto but the entire Shinobi System. Sasuke is destined to try and force the world into peace, but he is also destined to break that circle of hatred. The Older Son started the circle and Sasuke will end it, but not alone as if he tired he would still be lacking the Yang. Sasuke has always been ready to die for his cause, and I believe he will in the end. See Sasuke knows hatred, solitude, sorrow and every bad emotion better than most, and therefore he knows how to value the good things about them. I think that Sasuke will force the world into peace, but not in the same way as his ancestors, I believe that he will tear away the peace, love and passion of everyone to show them what they are giving up so easily, so that they can value it. And as a value of this, he will lose his life, be it to Naruto or anyone else.

    Naruto is the one destined to lead, Sasuke is the one destined to understand.

    You started to amaze me, you have a very logical mind and can think outside of the box. But still Sasuke want's to force peace into the world not by changing the previous one, but by destroying it and creating a new one entirely. You can't say that he is any different form Madara. But still, you can say that Sasuke is one of the strangest and most ununderstandable characters in the Narutoverse. No one still know's his true intentions and here you are right that you say that he is destined to understand but he can't understad if he brings first peace to the world. In my opinion the person who will bring peace is Naruto, the successor of the sage. Like the Great Toad Sage told the prophecy, Jiraiya will have a pupil that will bring a great change to the world. So it is most logical to see Naruto bring peace to the Shinobi world by passing the will of the sage to future generations.
    And peace won't be achieved by killing all the Bijuu, peace can only be obtained by making peace with the God of all chakra the Shinju.
    If peace won't be made with him than there will not be any hope for peace this generation will die off and the new generation will just seek power, which is the natural instict of every single being on that planet. They will look at the Bijuu as a source of great power and still use them. So the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) will continue too spin creating a never ending cycle of hatred since they didn't solve it in first place. The shinju symbolizes the entire Hatred Naruto needs to solve to bring peace to the world which was his destiny. When Naruto will be able to concour the hatred of the Shinju, there he will have the final confrontation with Sasuke. Making peace with the God of Chakra and then making his best friend have trust in him.
    This is the Great finale I imagine for these series.
     
         
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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    You started to amaze me, you have a very logical mind and can think outside of the box. But still Sasuke want's to force peace into the world not by changing the previous one, but by destroying it and creating a new one entirely. You can't say that he is any different form Madara. But still, you can say that Sasuke is one of the starangest and most ununderstandable characters in the Narutoverse.No one still know's his true intentions and here you are right that you say that he is destined to understand but he can't understad if he brings forst peace to the world. In my opinion the person who will bring peace is Naruto, the successor of the sage. Like the Great Toad Sage told the prophecy, Jiraiya will have a pupil that will bring a great change to the world. So it is most logical to see Naruto bring peace to the Shinobi world by passing the will of the sage to future generations.
    And peace won't be achieved by killing all the Bijuu, peace can only be obtained by making peace with the God of all chakra the Shinju.
    If peace won't be made with him than there will not be any hope for peace this generation will die off and the new generation will just seek power, which is the natural instict of every single being on that planet. They will look at the Bijuu as a source of great power and still use them. So the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) will continue too spin creating a never ending cycle of hatred since they didn't solve it in first place. The shinju symbolizes the entire Hatred Naruto needs to solve to bring peace to the world which was his destiny. When Naruto will be able to concour the hatred of the Shinju, there he will have the final confrontation with Sasuke. Mking peace with the God of Chakra and then making his best friend have trust in him.
    This is the Great finale I imagine for these series.
    Sasuke is another version of Madara, same Madara is a version of the Sage and Naruto is another version of Hashirama, while Hashirama is another version of the Sage again. ( Did that even make sense? ) You said that Sasuke is one of the strangest and the least understandable characters in the Narutoverse. I think that is just a point of view,take your time, analyze what the character has been through and place yourself in his shoes. Losing one isn't easy, it never is and I can only imagination how it must feel to lose EVERYONE to a person you trust a lot like your own brother. Now before I go on, people may think that, "Hey Naruto lost someone too and he didn't go insane like Sasuke"... Well He kinda did actually, Naruto haven't lost half as many as Sasuke and when Naruto lost a few friends in the war he was a the brink of giving up. Though he had his friends so he never did that, but take a look at Sasuke.. He's lost more and he's always been alone, yet he has never given up, not even been close to. People say that Naruto's character is to never give up while Sasuke's character is to constantly cry and complain. ( I heavily dislike it when people say thing as bluntly as that.. ) People always label them as two different characters, they never label them as the same. They are a lot alike each other, and its true that only your best friend, your opposite can become your true rival. People that are so alike each other that it disgusts both of them, that is what they are. They both seek to understand one another, and they both seek peace, they are both driven by emotions and they have both cried and felt sad for each other. That is what the story is alot about, people understand each other and feeling for each other.

    Rule is not for those with power, but those with the understanding of others. Those why knows their pain, their happiness and sorrow.

    Many characters believed that, Yahiko, Nagato, Naruto, Jiraya and several others. Peace does not come from power, it comes from understanding. That is what Sasuke is trying to do, is will try to force the world into understanding, unlike Madara who will force the world into peace without understanding. Naruto believes that if he understands the hatred to others, he can bring them together. But that is where he is false. Bringing peace isn't something he can do alone, its something you have to do with another or everyone. Take a look what Obito and Madara has managed together. They have created temporary peace with each nation and now they are at war. I never said that killing off the Bijuu's are the way to peace, I said that understand them separately is what the Sage wanted, as the Shinju cannot be reasoned with, the 9 Bijuu's can however. Naruto was never able to reason with Sasuke, and he never will until either of them die. I don't think Naruto will ever make peace with Sasuke, I think Sasuke will leave the world, taking the hatred of the world with him. Naruto will create peace and change, Sasuke will secure it and seal it forever. This is how I see things going actually.

    After the defeat of Madara and Juubi, the Juubi will be split again into 9 Bijuu's which Naruto will lead.Believing he has brought peace, Sasuke will try and break that temporary peace brought to life by the war. The peace will be almost broken, will all the hatred towards Sasuke as the criminal that tried to destroy the peace. This will lead to the final battle between the two friends and rivals and it will end in the death of Sasuke. Sasuke will shatter the circle of hatred by leaving the world with all the hatred connected to him, and Naruto will shatter the circle by killing Sasuke and understanding his reason for trying to destroy the peace. Naruto will gain the understanding needed to lead the world into peace, and Sasuke will end the hatred that his ancestor started. Sasuke the one who understood, but no one understood him will open the door to peace, Naruto the one that will receive the understanding and lead the world into peace, into a great change.
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    Sasuke is another version of Madara, same Madara is a version of the Sage and Naruto is another version of Hashirama, while Hashirama is another version of the Sage again. ( Did that even make sense? ) You said that Sasuke is one of the strangest and the least understandable characters in the Narutoverse. I think that is just a point of view,take your time, analyze what the character has been through and place yourself in his shoes. Losing one isn't easy, it never is and I can only imagination how it must feel to lose EVERYONE to a person you trust a lot like your own brother. Now before I go on, people may think that, "Hey Naruto lost someone too and he didn't go insane like Sasuke"... Well He kinda did actually, Naruto haven't lost half as many as Sasuke and when Naruto lost a few friends in the war he was a the brink of giving up. Though he had his friends so he never did that, but take a look at Sasuke.. He's lost more and he's always been alone, yet he has never given up, not even been close to. People say that Naruto's character is to never give up while Sasuke's character is to constantly cry and complain. ( I heavily dislike it when people say thing as bluntly as that.. ) People always label them as two different characters, they never label them as the same. They are a lot alike each other, and its true that only your best friend, your opposite can become your true rival. People that are so alike each other that it disgusts both of them, that is what they are. They both seek to understand one another, and they both seek peace, they are both driven by emotions and they have both cried and felt sad for each other. That is what the story is alot about, people understand each other and feeling for each other.

    Rule is not for those with power, but those with the understanding of others. Those why knows their pain, their happiness and sorrow.

    Many characters believed that, Yahiko, Nagato, Naruto, Jiraya and several others. Peace does not come from power, it comes from understanding. That is what Sasuke is trying to do, is will try to force the world into understanding, unlike Madara who will force the world into peace without understanding. Naruto believes that if he understands the hatred to others, he can bring them together. But that is where he is false. Bringing peace isn't something he can do alone, its something you have to do with another or everyone. Take a look what Obito and Madara has managed together. They have created temporary peace with each nation and now they are at war. I never said that killing off the Bijuu's are the way to peace, I said that understand them separately is what the Sage wanted, as the Shinju cannot be reasoned with, the 9 Bijuu's can however. Naruto was never able to reason with Sasuke, and he never will until either of them die. I don't think Naruto will ever make peace with Sasuke, I think Sasuke will leave the world, taking the hatred of the world with him. Naruto will create peace and change, Sasuke will secure it and seal it forever. This is how I see things going actually.

    After the defeat of Madara and Juubi, the Juubi will be split again into 9 Bijuu's which Naruto will lead.Believing he has brought peace, Sasuke will try and break that temporary peace brought to life by the war. The peace will be almost broken, will all the hatred towards Sasuke as the criminal that tried to destroy the peace. This will lead to the final battle between the two friends and rivals and it will end in the death of Sasuke. Sasuke will shatter the circle of hatred by leaving the world with all the hatred connected to him, and Naruto will shatter the circle by killing Sasuke and understanding his reason for trying to destroy the peace. Naruto will gain the understanding needed to lead the world into peace, and Sasuke will end the hatred that his ancestor started. Sasuke the one who understood, but no one understood him will open the door to peace, Naruto the one that will receive the understanding and lead the world into peace, into a great change.
    Look Both our theories do have strong point's. But the only thing both of us can do now is wait and see how the Manga goes on.I'm impresed by your skill in observation and as a theoriest you are great too.
    Lets have more of those discussions later on in different threads. You do have earned my respect
     
         

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    Re: The Final Villain and the End of The manga Naruto!

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    Look Both our theories do have strong point's. But the only thing both of us can do now is wait and see how the Manga goes on.I'm impresed by your skill in observation and as a theoriest you are great too.
    Lets have more of those discussions later on in different threads. You do have earned my respect
    Well we have different point of views, so we are doomed not to totally agree with each other.. But I do get your points, and I do hope to have several friendly conversations with you and other members here on the base. ( Frankly, that is a rare thing these days. )
     
         

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