Madara and tobi

[sasuke uchiha94]

I can confirm that Madara is Madara. just look here
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My theory is that it is Madara, but he use another body.He said that he is a shell of his former self. the reason is that he maybe use another body, like orochimaru to be able to survive.And beacause of that he isnt at his full powers.


I did read another thread on this website were he said that he lost his power in the fight with yondaime, thats wrong. : He used the same fighting style against yondaime, and the same fighting style know.
look here:
Naruto 502 page 15 | One Manga
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[~Anubis~]

nice one.:D

[★Grim]

yes, but back then Madara was claimed to be dead, and we didnt see his face, also real Madara never used mask before....

[sasuke uchiha94]

yes, but back then Madara was claimed to be dead, and we didnt see his face, also real Madara never used mask before....

He maybe didnt use a mask because he didnt want everyone to know that he was alive. He was claimed to be dead, but why does he know so much about Madara?? And you can see when he are fighting yondaime he controlls the nine tailed.

The nine tailed said it himself it is madara, but not his body.
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[Sentinel]

I also think that this tobi is madara in another body, and that that weakens him to be a shel of his former self. my reason for thinking is that he stated that pain's gedo rinne tensei (tech to revive dead people and bring theis souls back to theyr body) was a jutsu intended for him, (chapter 453 page 17) I think by the use of this tech he would have regaind his full power
also tobi himself and some other people (itachi, kakashi and now even the fourth) stated that tobi is madara. he would be a very big liar and a very good actor if he is not madara

[sasuke uchiha94]

I also think that this tobi is madara in another body, and that that weakens him to be a shel of his former self. my reason for thinking is that he stated that pain's gedo rinne tensei (tech to revive dead people and bring theis souls back to theyr body) was a jutsu intended for him, (chapter 453 page 17) I think by the use of this tech he would have regaind his full power
also tobi himself and some other people (itachi, kakashi and now even the fourth) stated that tobi is madara. he would be a very big liar and a very good actor if he is not madara

you got a point. But know I wonder if it was Madara real body in the coffein. He got angry because he had a plan that included his own body. So then he agreed to join forces with kabuto.

[BarBoBot]

you got a point. But know I wonder if it was Madara real body in the coffein. He got angry because he had a plan that included his own body. So then he agreed to join forces with kabuto.

the jutsu kabuto used to summon the dead does not summon the real body of the dead person. It uses a human sacrifice to summon the SOUL of the dead person.

If madara is in that coffin, then its madaras SOUL, not his body in the coffin. The body is the sacrifice used to summon it.

IF it is Madara in the coffin, then it would mean that tobi os NOT madara,(or tobi is using madaras body) since what I sated before, the jutsu summons a dead persons SOUL.( madaras soul can not be summoned if he is not dead.)

personally, im starting to think that tobi might be izuna, madaras brother...and that kabuto summoned the real madara...but until kishi tells us, no one will know for sure

[squadboiao]

the jutsu kabuto used to summon the dead does not summon the real body of the dead person. It uses a human sacrifice to summon the SOUL of the dead person.

If madara is in that coffin, then its madaras SOUL, not his body in the coffin. The body is the sacrifice used to summon it.

IF it is Madara in the coffin, then it would mean that tobi os NOT madara,(or tobi is using madaras body) since what I sated before, the jutsu summons a dead persons SOUL.( madaras soul can not be summoned if he is not dead.)

personally, im starting to think that tobi might be izuna, madaras brother...and that kabuto summoned the real madara...but until kishi tells us, no one will know for sure

i agree

[★Grim]

He maybe didnt use a mask because he didnt want everyone to know that he was alive. He was claimed to be dead, but why does he know so much about Madara?? And you can see when he are fighting yondaime he controlls the nine tailed.

The nine tailed said it himself it is madara, but not his body.
Naruto 309 page 03 | One Manga

and again, Fox said YOU, it could be anyone....also those could be just his eyes, u saw last episode? Zetsu is involved with Tobis body.... and u sure remember Tobi in lol mode...i doubt it was Tobi aka real Tobi we know naw....

[sasuke uchiha94]

the jutsu kabuto used to summon the dead does not summon the real body of the dead person. It uses a human sacrifice to summon the SOUL of the dead person.

If madara is in that coffin, then its madaras SOUL, not his body in the coffin. The body is the sacrifice used to summon it.

IF it is Madara in the coffin, then it would mean that tobi os NOT madara,(or tobi is using madaras body) since what I sated before, the jutsu summons a dead persons SOUL.( madaras soul can not be summoned if he is not dead.)

personally, im starting to think that tobi might be izuna, madaras brother...and that kabuto summoned the real madara...but until kishi tells us, no one will know for sure

yeah maybe. but that doesnt explain tobis sharingan

[squadboiao]

izuna and madara playing as tobi at different times?

[squadboiao]

yeah zetsu has to have some sort of doing in tobi's body like how he lost it against danzo's ppl then they showed him in his lair and his arm all slimy like zetsu remade it,maybe madaras body is made up of a bunch of different ninjas he's collected

[Honord Sage]

I can see two possibilities, One Madara meet Zetsu before His original body gave out and had Him created a Plant Clone for Him to pass His conscience to it, that would explain Madara losing an arm and having it replace. Two this is a Missing Uchiha that has learn Madara plans and tactics and has copy them as best He can, with the limiteds His body has put on Him. The only way we will know for sure Who is Madara is a DNA scanned of His body compared with what the original Madara left in the village records, or the original body if thats whats in the last coffin.

[BarBoBot]

yeah maybe. but that doesnt explain tobis sharingan

im not stating this as fact, but if you pretend that my theory is correct, and tobi is actually izuna, it might be possible that izuna was still alive when madara fought the first hokage. If he was, then perhaps he retrieved madaras eyes from his corpse, and restored his MS.

[Honord Sage]

im not stating this as fact, but if you pretend that my theory is correct, and tobi is actually izuna, it might be possible that izuna was still alive when madara fought the first hokage. If he was, then perhaps he retrieved madaras eyes from his corpse, and restored his MS.

But Madara was not kill by the First He simply left on His own.

[kisamexRocks]

Well Madara is very much alive and he might be using a different body which would make sense, but then he wouldn't have his normal stance and have the same length of hair and same hair style as his other previous bodies? But I believe he is in his original body but the battle against Hashirama took away his full powers somehow. .

Also pretty much no one can say that Tobi is Obito because of the eye techniques, Kumai/Kamui(what ever) and Tobi's swirling teleportation are not the same. One takes you to places, while the other takes objects to unknown places. Also Madara had been suing his swirl transportation 16 years before Kakashi had unlocked his MS ability.

[BarBoBot]

But Madara was not kill by the First He simply left on His own.

wasnt it tobi that said that though?

If he is lying about who he is, can you trust what he says about his past?

If tobi is madara, then who would would have been in the coffin that would have made him so surprised? I wish I knew for sure, but to me it just seems that since tobi keeps his face covered, he must be trying to hide something about his true identity.

[kisamexRocks]

wasnt it tobi that said that though?

If he is lying about who he is, can you trust what he says about his past?

If tobi is madara, then who would would have been in the coffin that would have made him so surprised? I wish I knew for sure, but to me it just seems that since tobi keeps his face covered, he must be trying to hide something about his true identity.

It is possible to think that perhaps the person in the Coffin was either someone dear to Madara, or someone he feared. Maybe there will be a filler that explains who the man/women in the coffin is. For now we are assuming it is Madara, but we can't be certain until it's official.

[JiraiyaSensei]

well...I don't think that Tobi is Madara per se. It's not THE Madara in his own body, that's for sure!! Like you said it is most likely some sort of body switching jutsu ^^

Maybe it is not Madara at all.

If it turns out to be Madara in his original body...well i will stop reading Naruto and drink a gallon of lead paint

[gtgoku]

The coffin kabuto summoned could be jiraiya. atleast thats wat i think it is.

[JiraiyaSensei]

The coffin kabuto summoned could be jiraiya. atleast thats wat i think it is.

..i dont think so. Why would Jiraiya leave Tobi that shocked?

[sasuke uchiha94]

..i dont think so. Why would Jiraiya leave Tobi that shocked?

No it cant be jiraiya, he was weaker than Madara.
It most have been someone he was afraid of, or someone he needed to his plan.

[oFuiinJutsuu]

Great thinking bud ! ^^

[JMAN]

Jiraiya all mighty !!!!

[tyce]

I did read another thread on this website were he said that he lost his power in the fight with yondaime, thats wrong. : He used the same fighting style against yondaime, and the same fighting style know.
look here:
Naruto 502 page 15 | One Manga
Naruto 475 page 04 | One Manga
Naruto 475 page 06 | One Manga

umm...... you're links are to the fight with Minato, not Yondaime. Yondaime was the first hokage......................

Further more, no1 other than the 4th, naruto, and naruto's mum ever had ne knowledge whatsoever that the 4th fought tobi..., so i don't see how you confused them