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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    I'm sticking with my man Kabuto .
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by God of the akatsuki View Post
    well I mean you should know that shisui doesn't have eyes
    An uhiha ancestor that brings to being older than madara meaning someone is even more legendary then madara and someone cant be that old and living or even standing
    1. We can all agree that blind guys in manga/anime are badasses.
    2. This is fiction. Anything can happen. I mean hell look at what Dan did, he used his spirit to save Tsunade.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    The mystery person is Kabuto.

    Let me ask you this, why would a new character, or known/unknown uchiha, walk on bare feet?
    Why would Shisui appear at this part of the story?
    Why would the Uchiha ancestor not bother to put on shoes?
    Why would they have a sage mode? (the mystery person has a sage mode aura)

    Oro isnt a sensor, so he cant sense who the mystery person is.
    Tobirama has never met Kabuto and there is a cloud of dust in the way, so he cant see his face either.

    People their chakra signatures can change. Karin at one point, almost didnt recognize Sasuke his chakra signature, that was how much it had changed (much darker and colder). If it wasnt for the fact that she could see him with her eyes (in front of her), she might not have even recognized him.

    Karin never saw Kabuto with his modifications (dna blood injections) and sage mode.
    She has only seen the old Kabuto. A changed chakra signature is like mixing yellow and blue into green.
    You wont recognize the blue and the yellow. Karin cant recognize the sound 5 in there for example, even if she has met them.
    Izanami could have changed Kabuto's chakra as well and sage mode does so too (DSM is considered the most evil sage mode, according to the manga.

    Minato, a sensor, didnt even recognize Obito's chakra in their fight on Naruto's birth, because Obito's chakra
    signature was modified as well (Zetsu cells) and had changed.

    The mystery man is Kabuto.
    Deal with it dattebayo.
     
         
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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mille Ignis View Post
    1. We can all agree that blind guys in manga/anime are badasses.
    2. This is fiction. Anything can happen. I mean hell look at what Dan did, he used his spirit to save Tsunade.
    your right on that but
    1.shisui is not barefooted
    2.Well dan was already dead so didn't matter not this dan died really young dont you know he looks like a 19 year old lol but there is know way some can be alive for that long you know if not the ancestor can teach sasuke forbidden uchiha justu something like madara never seen
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    You don't need to kill to get MS, you just need to suffer a great trauma from the death of someone close. Doing the killing oneself is just a quick and sure-fire way of getting it.

    As Kabuto said, no body was found:
    Shisui is dead. Shisui was a member of the ANBU at one point, and the ANBU are trained so that, when they die, no body is left behind. Also, here's the scan of Itachi saying he watched Shisui die silently:

     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by God of the akatsuki View Post
    well I mean you should know that shisui doesn't have eyes
    An uhiha ancestor that brings to being older than madara meaning someone is even more legendary then madara and someone cant be that old and living or even standing
    This is Fiction Not real Life. Tsunade Supposed to be Old and yet she looks like as she's in her Late 20's,Early 30's
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Guys dont be stupid its obviously the Ramen shop guy
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar19992010 View Post
    This is Fiction Not real Life. Tsunade Supposed to be Old and yet she looks like as she's in her Late 20's,Early 30's
    Tsunade uses an actual technique to do that. But overall, yes. It is fiction. If Kishi wants a thousand-year old man to show up beat down Madara using the bristles of a toothbrush, he damn well will.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    The mystery person is Kabuto.

    Let me ask you this, why would a new character, or known/unknown uchiha, walk on bare feet?
    Why would Shisui appear at this part of the story?
    Why would the Uchiha ancestor not bother to put on shoes?
    Why would they have a sage mode? (the mystery person has a sage mode aura)

    Oro isnt a sensor, so he cant sense who the mystery person is.
    Tobirama has never met Kabuto and there is a cloud of dust in the way, so he cant see his face either.

    People their chakra signatures can change. Karin at one point, almost didnt recognize Sasuke his chakra signature,
    that was how much it had changed (much darker and colder). If it wasnt for the fact that she could see him with
    her eyes (in front of her), she might not have even recognized him.

    Karin never saw Kabuto with his modifications (dna blood injections) and sage mode.
    She has only seen the old Kabuto. A changed chakra signature is like mixing yellow and blue into green.
    You wont recognize the blue and the yellow. Karin cant recognize the sound 5 in there for example, even
    if she has met them.

    Minato, a sensor, didnt even recognize Obito's chakra in their fight on Naruto's birth, because Obito's chakra
    signature was modified as well (Zetsu cells) and had changed.

    The mystery man is Kabuto.
    Deal with it dattebayo.
    That whole page (Chapter 644 pg 3) forshadows the fact that the mysterious person is not good. What role would Kabuto play in showing up? He would revive Sasuke? He would give Sasuke senju DNA/Rinnegan? Kiran would not have a bad feeling if Kabuto showed up. For the most part, Kabuto has changed, yes, but he should have turned good if anything giving a good vive. This manga is about changing peoples' hearts and coming together to defeat a bigger enemy. Kabuto being the mysterious person has no relevance to the plot as of right now.

    Why Shisui would appear at this part of the story?
    Reread my thread.
    Why would the Uchiha ancestor not bother to put on shoes?
    Hell if I know. Some people prefer to be barefoot. This is a theory providing a possibility of who it may be not who it is.
    Why would they have a sage mode? (the mystery person has a sage mode aura)
    What makes you think this is a sage mode aura?

    The burden of proof is now on your shoulders. Tell me, besides the fact that he's barefoot, as to why the mysterious person is Kabuto and what relevance he has right now.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Hard to say. Kabuto is probably the only one without wearing shoes.



    Also. Many people are thinking that this dude is no dude but ... Look on your own.



    ... but seriously, the mystery man is probably the white zetsu. He was the one who saved Madaras life and he's probably still the "only unknown" charakter in Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Konohas gelber Blitz View Post



    ... but seriously, the mystery man is probably the white zetsu. He was the one who saved Madaras life and he's probably still the "only unknown" charakter in Naruto.
    Well all I can say is that that dog needs to get his foot checked out. I mean look at it, it's glowing. He must have stepped in some radiation somewhere. But white zetsu seems unlikely, since I think Tobirama would have seen a zetsu spawn by now. Perhaps it could be a clone of the person inside of white zetsu.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mille Ignis View Post
    That whole page (Chapter 644 pg 3) forshadows the fact that the mysterious person is not good. What role would Kabuto play in showing up? He would revive Sasuke? He would give Sasuke senju DNA/Rinnegan? Kiran would not have a bad feeling if Kabuto showed up. For the most part, Kabuto has changed, yes, but he should have turned good if anything giving a good vive. This manga is about changing peoples' hearts and coming together to defeat a bigger enemy. Kabuto being the mysterious person has no relevance to the plot as of right now.

    Why Shisui would appear at this part of the story?
    Reread my thread.
    Why would the Uchiha ancestor not bother to put on shoes?
    Hell if I know. Some people prefer to be barefoot. This is a theory providing a possibility of who it may be not who it is.
    Why would they have a sage mode? (the mystery person has a sage mode aura)
    What makes you think this is a sage mode aura?

    The burden of proof is now on your shoulders. Tell me, besides the fact that he's barefoot, as to why the mysterious person is Kabuto and what relevance he has right now.
    The thing is, Karin says she "Has a bad feeling" about the mysterious person. That doesn't mean he/she is evil, in any sense of the word. Karin's entire mind is focused on saving Sasuke; chances are, anyone to approach him that she isn't familiar with would give her a bad feeling. Plus the fact that she's injured could easily disrupt her ability to judge a person's chakra from that distance. Is it Kabuto? Possibly, but I hope not. Shisui? No, he's dead. Itachi? Nope, dead too. New character? Doubtful, we're really late in the story, and the climax would be an awkward moment for a new character to arrive. Old Uchiha? Read my last sentence.

    I sincerely hope it isn't Kabuto, but my money is honestly on him.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    i hope it isn't kabuto, i'm hoping its a new player in the game
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mille Ignis View Post
    That whole page (Chapter 644 pg 3) forshadows the fact that the mysterious person is not good. What role would Kabuto play in showing up? He would revive Sasuke? He would give Sasuke senju DNA/Rinnegan? Kiran would not have a bad feeling if Kabuto showed up. For the most part, Kabuto has changed, yes, but he should have turned good if anything giving a good vive. This manga is about changing peoples' hearts and coming together to defeat a bigger enemy. Kabuto being the mysterious person has no relevance to the plot as of right now.

    Why Shisui would appear at this part of the story?
    Reread my thread.
    Why would the Uchiha ancestor not bother to put on shoes?
    Hell if I know. Some people prefer to be barefoot. This is a theory providing a possibility of who it may be not who it is.
    Why would they have a sage mode? (the mystery person has a sage mode aura)
    What makes you think this is a sage mode aura?
    The burden of proof is now on your shoulders. Tell me, besides the fact that he's barefoot, as to why the mysterious person is Kabuto and what relevance he has right now.
    Karin had a bad feeling. Bad feeling is not the same as that the mysterious person is evil.
    Even if she would sense some darkness in the mysterious person it wouldnt be that weird.
    DSM is a dark/evil sage mode. Juugo is in essence a good person, but when he transforms, his chakrachanges completely. Kabuto is using Juugo's power in sage mode, however, Kabuto doesnt lose himself unlike Juugo. Besides, ones judgement gets clouded when worried. Karin is incredibly worried about Sasuke right now and therefore she might not be that accurate in her sensing and judgment.

    Kabuto's story isnt finished yet. Kishi wont just leave him in Izanami till the end of the manga.
    Kabuto will redeem himself. Even in death, Itachi has again, left help behind for his little brother Sasuke.
    Kabuto is gonna help Sasuke.
    There is a good opportunity to reintroduce Kabuto right now.
    The aura shown is most likely a sage mode aura (its similar to how Naruto's frog sage aura was drawn vs Pain).
    Kabuto sage mode aura.

    Kabuto is arguably the best medic alive right now (both offensive and defensively).
    Sasuke isnt in good shape as you noticed. Kabuto is familiar with the curse seal and sage mode. Sasuke has Juugo's
    flesh in his chest. Kabuto has loads of knowledge of the sage, sharingan, mokuton, Juugo and the curse seal, anti mokuton poison, anti dojutsu abilities. There is so much that Kabuto can do right now.

    Why would a probably 1000 or more years old Older son of the sage, suddenly arrive at this point in the story?
    The manga is nearing its end. It is not likely, that a character like the Older son is introduced in this part of the story.
    It would need loads of backup info what he has been doing all this time and why. How he survived etc.
    A character like that cant play some minor role either. Kishi basically needs to start a big story almost from scratch for the Older son. He cant just help Sasuke and be like ''okay here is an upgrade and I saved you, good luck bye'' or play some other minor role. If he is introduced, he will need to have a major role, unlike Kabuto. We already know his history. Kishi only has to finish the story of Kabuto. That is something that will fit more in this part of the series.

    We have Spiral zetsu with the insides. Madara in Juubi jinc form. Naruto dying. Sasuke dying. Obito in trouble.
    Kakashi, Minato, Sakura and Gaara with their hands full. Introducing a new character like the Older son, will just be to much. Reintroducing a character like Kabuto, who only needs his story to be finished by Kishi just fits way better.
     
         
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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    Karin had a bad feeling. Bad feeling is not the same as that the mysterious person is evil.
    Even if she would sense some darkness in the mysterious person it wouldnt be that weird.
    DSM is a dark/evil sage mode. Juugo is in essence a good person, but when he transforms, his chakrachanges completely. Kabuto is using Juugo's power in sage mode, however, Kabuto doesnt lose himself unlike Juugo. Besides, ones judgement gets clouded when worried. Karin is incredibly worried about Sasuke right now and therefore she might not be that accurate in her sensing and judgment.

    Kabuto's story isnt finished yet. Kishi wont just leave him in Izanami till the end of the manga.
    Kabuto will redeem himself. Even in death, Itachi has again, left help behind for his little brother Sasuke.
    Kabuto is gonna help Sasuke.
    There is a good opportunity to reintroduce Kabuto right now.
    The aura shown is most likely a sage mode aura (its similar to how Naruto's frog sage aura was drawn vs Pain).
    Kabuto sage mode aura.

    Kabuto is arguably the best medic alive right now (both offensive and defensively).
    Sasuke isnt in good shape as you noticed. Kabuto is familiar with the curse seal and sage mode. Sasuke has Juugo's
    flesh in his chest. Kabuto has loads of knowledge of the sage, sharingan, mokuton, Juugo and the curse seal, anti mokuton poison, anti dojutsu abilities. There is so much that Kabuto can do right now.

    Why would a probably 1000 or more years old Older son of the sage, suddenly arrive at this point in the story?
    The manga is nearing its end. It is not likely, that a character like the Older son is introduced in this part of the story.
    It would need loads of backup info what he has been doing all this time and why. How he survived etc.
    A character like that cant play some minor role either. Kishi basically needs to start a big story almost from scratch for the Older son. He cant just help Sasuke and be like ''okay here is an upgrade and I saved you, good luck bye'' or play some other minor role. If he is introduced, he will need to have a major role, unlike Kabuto. We already know his history. Kishi only has to finish the story of Kabuto. That is something that will fit more in this part of the series.
    I think you are reading too much into the fact that a bad feeling doesn't necessarily mean evil. Yes this is true, however, this manga is pretty linear, so more than likely a bad feeling means something more along the lines of danger than horseshoes and rainbows. Kabuto should not be in dragon sage mode right now. The reason why Kabuto could handle dragon sage made was because he stole Oro's cells thus giving a body able to handle dragon sage mode. However, Oro has taken his power back, thus Kabuto is now normal Kabuto. The reason for the swirls and such that look like charka is for ascetics. Seeing a black background with a white silhouette is not very pleasing to the eye. Also why would Kabuto be in sage mode anyway? There really is no point for him to be in it.

    I agree Kabuto will make a return, I just do not think this is the time nor the place for it. Yes, he is a very skilled medical ninja and might be able to save Sasuke, but then what would the whole point of killing Sasuke be? For him to get the Rinnegan via near death experience? How would Kabuto showing up give Sasuke a power up? It is obvious Naruto and Sasuke will comeback stronger than before, but Kabuto really has nothing to give Sasuke.

    Chakra is like hair. It can change, but I still know who you are.

    The elder son showing up would give us a lot of necessary information regarding the past and the Sage of Six paths. Futhermore, Kishi wouldn't have to rewrite the story as to how the elder son is still alive or how/why he is there. A chapter or two telling us why he is still alive or around, and a chapter explaining his goals would be enough. Something or someone major has to appear and Kabuto is just not that character.
     
         
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    Perhaps it's Anko... but without shoes
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mille Ignis View Post
    I think you are reading too much into the fact that a bad feeling doesn't necessarily mean evil. Yes this is true, however, this manga is pretty linear, so more than likely a bad feeling means something more along the lines of danger than horseshoes and rainbows. Kabuto should not be in dragon sage mode right now. The reason why Kabuto could handle dragon sage made was because he stole Oro's cells thus giving a body able to handle dragon sage mode. However, Oro has taken his power back, thus Kabuto is now normal Kabuto. The reason for the swirls and such that look like charka is for ascetics. Seeing a black background with a white silhouette is not very pleasing to the eye. Also why would Kabuto be in sage mode anyway? There really is no point for him to be in it.

    I agree Kabuto will make a return, I just do not think this is the time nor the place for it. Yes, he is a very skilled medical ninja and might be able to save Sasuke, but then what would the whole point of killing Sasuke be? For him to get the Rinnegan via near death experience? How would Kabuto showing up give Sasuke a power up? It is obvious Naruto and Sasuke will comeback stronger than before, but Kabuto really has nothing to give Sasuke.

    Chakra is like hair. It can change, but I still know who you are.

    The elder son showing up would give us a lot of necessary information regarding the past and the Sage of Six paths. Futhermore, Kishi wouldn't have to rewrite the story as to how the elder son is still alive or how/why he is there. A chapter or two telling us why he is still alive or around, and a chapter explaining his goals would be enough. Something or someone major has to appear and Kabuto is just not that character.
    Chakra is more like color than hair. If yellow changes to green, its not recognizable anymore.
    Oro's body couldnt handle Juugo's ability. That doesnt make it likely for me that Oro's chakra is crucial for sage mode. It doesnt state it anywhere in the manga that Kabuto could do sage mode, only because of Oro's chakra. I would say, Karin and Juugo's chakra have a bigger impact on Kabuto's ability to do sage mode.

    Kabuto could help Sasuke when it comes to more or less all his abilities.
    As I said
    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    Kabuto is arguably the best medic alive right now (both offensive and defensively).
    Sasuke isnt in good shape as you noticed. Kabuto is familiar with the curse seal and sage mode. Sasuke has Juugo's
    flesh in his chest. Kabuto has loads of knowledge of the sage, sharingan, mokuton, Juugo and the curse seal, anti mokuton poison, anti dojutsu abilities. There is so much that Kabuto can do right now.
    Meaning if anyone can upgrade Sasuke, its Kabuto. Being a medic, he can help plenty others as well and knowledge (which Kabuto has plenty of) is power as well.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    So your saying its not a new character but its the Uchiha ancestor? That would be a new character buddy.

    I'd say its most likely Kabuto still.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    Chakra is more like color than hair. If yellow changes to green, its not recognizable anymore.
    Oro's body couldnt handle Juugo's ability. That doesnt make it likely for me that Oro's chakra is crucial for sage mode. It doesnt state it anywhere in the manga that Kabuto could do sage mode, only because of Oro's chakra. I would say, Karin and Juugo's chakra have a bigger impact on Kabuto's ability to do sage mode.

    Kabuto could help Sasuke when it comes to more or less all his abilities.
    As I said

    Meaning if anyone can upgrade Sasuke, its Kabuto. Being a medic, he can help plenty others as well and knowledge (which Kabuto has plenty of) is power as well.
    "By infusing himself with Orochimaru's DNA, Kabuto gained access to his master's snake techniques and summons, the ability to alter his body and an enhanced chakra capacity. Kabuto also assimilated DNA from three members of Taka, gaining Karin's healing powers and Jūgo's ability to passively absorb natural energy, allowing him to continuously use Sage Mode without assistance. In addition to assimilating Suigetsu Hōzuki's DNA, Kabuto developed an altered version of his liquification abilities"

    Taken straight from the Wiki.

    Yellow and blue may make green, but that does not denine that fact that it's still a combination of red and green. All because Kabuto's chakra may does not mean Kabuto's original chakara essence cannot be derived from what it is now. Furthermore, I believe it has also been stated that Karin can sense the motives of the person as well due to the feeling of the chakara such as warm and cold.

    Kabuto has a lot of knowledge yes, but how does that make Sasuke stronger. If I tell you how to fight, you don't all of a sudden become stronger. I can tell you my weakness, but if I don't give you the opportunity to attack it what good does it do. Madara is over powered at the moment. They have to be able to withstand his attacks first before they can even think about hitting him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Floydical View Post
    So your saying its not a new character but its the Uchiha ancestor? That would be a new character buddy.

    I'd say its most likely Kabuto still.
    As for you, the Elder son has already been introduced therefore it is not a new character... There are two main Uchiha ancestors, Sage of Six Paths and the Elder son. Yes there are more, such as the son of the elder son and his son and so on, but when you say Uchiha ancestor those two should be the only ones to come to mind that is why I used it and then specify later on as to which one it should be.
     
         

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    Re: The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mille Ignis View Post
    "By infusing himself with Orochimaru's DNA, Kabuto gained access to his master's snake techniques and summons, the ability to alter his body and an enhanced chakra capacity. Kabuto also assimilated DNA from three members of Taka, gaining Karin's healing powers and Jūgo's ability to passively absorb natural energy, allowing him to continuously use Sage Mode without assistance. In addition to assimilating Suigetsu Hōzuki's DNA, Kabuto developed an altered version of his liquification abilities"

    Taken straight from the Wiki.

    Yellow and blue may make green, but that does not denine that fact that it's still a combination of red and green. All because Kabuto's chakra may does not mean Kabuto's original chakara essence cannot be derived from what it is now. Furthermore, I believe it has also been stated that Karin can sense the motives of the person as well due to the feeling of the chakara such as warm and cold.

    Kabuto has a lot of knowledge yes, but how does that make Sasuke stronger. If I tell you how to fight, you don't all of a sudden become stronger. I can tell you my weakness, but if I don't give you the opportunity to attack it what good does it do. Madara is over powered at the moment. They have to be able to withstand his attacks first before they can even think about hitting him.
    Wiki is made by fans. Its not some site which only contains facts, so I dont find it strong in terms of proof.
    It used to say on that site that Itachi was evil, until it was revealed that he wasnt.
    Basically it has lot of good info, but it is still made by fans, who have acces to the manga,
    just as you and I and who can know basically just as much.

    Knowledge can be used for strategies, among other things, like Kabuto knows about sharingan,
    Juugo's body (Sasuke has his flesh), sage mode, Mokuton etc. Kabuto can help him upgrade.
    He has anti mokuton and anti dojutsu tools as well.
    Plenty of things that he could use his knowledge for.

    About the chakra being compared to hairstyle or color and how to interpret it.
    I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.

    But anyway lets see next week who this mystery person will be.
    I expect that Kishi doesnt let us wait another chapter.
     
         

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