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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

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    Nothing faster than Gravity. It might as well be infinite speed since it is the fastest speed, by far.
    Dark energy is faster.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by wootan View Post
    you dont seem to know wat yu toking about. s=d/t( speed equals distance traveled in time)
    so if object moves at 10m/s wats the speed.. easy.. 9.8=10 round off...
    as i said gravity is pull and nothing to do with speed. so u cant say gravity is faster than light...
    Not sure what you mean. I meant that the gravity on earth will pull things towards it at an acceleration (Not Speed) Of 9.8 Meters per second Per second.

    I am not saying gravity is faster than light. I'm pretty sure gravity can't even have speed.

    As for whatever deva path is, It isn't gravity. Otherwise Shinra Tensei could not exist. You cannot have Negative gravity.
     
         
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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    rinbo hengoku that didnt even scratch gaara

    go back to your cave troll
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by End of Days View Post
    rinbo hengoku that didnt even scratch gaara

    go back to your cave troll

    Just look at this image and figure it out.


     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH View Post
    i suck at physics to be honest.

    however where you do have proof that this is true in our world,you do not have proof that it is true in the naruto world.

    we dont know for sure that RH is instantaneous.

    some time we even thought amaterasu was instantaneous,but it isnt.

    furthermore we dont even know if it was a senjutsu based attack like naruto`s rasengan was.naruto infused senjutsu energy around the rasengan...that`s why it stroke obito. can madara do the same? infuse natural energy around the attack,inexperienced with the sage mode as he is? in my honest opinion he cannot....but maybe he can.we dont know for sure. because of these reasons i say it`s more likely that obito would win
    In a way, Naruto is somewhat based off of the real world. That is how we can relate to the manga. The sky is blue, water reflects, things fall down instead of fall up etc.

    So in a sense, Naruto uses real life physics unless there is a very specific reason it needs to be violated to make the manga more interesting. For example, the existence of Chakra.

    But Kishi showed no indication that gravity doesn't work in NV. It seems to work. Things fall down instead of up.


    With Naruto, Kabuto, and Hashirama, everything is stronger in SM. So why not Madara since he is in Sage Mode? It's not about experience. Mastery is determined by appearance. SM Naruto looks more human than SM Jiyaria because Naruto mastered it. Madara didn't turn out all weird so that indicates that Madara mastered SM.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Its sad for those who disagree with the thread. Really sad.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Nothing faster than Gravity my friend. NOTHING
    it don't have to be gravity because 8 tails broke out of chibonku tensi like nothing and the gravity is so strong it can hold up a moon rinbo hengoku could be an attack unseeable and unavoidable it could be an attack from a different dimension
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Juubito doesn't have kryptonite like weakness to senjutsu. It's just that senjutsu is the only thing that can hit Juubito. Sort of like only Haki can be used to his Logia's in one piece.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Rokudaime Hokage Naruto View Post
    Juubito doesn't have kryptonite like weakness to senjutsu. It's just that senjutsu is the only thing that can hit Juubito. Sort of like only Haki can be used to his Logia's in one piece.
    Then why did a Rasengan hurt Jubbito when a FRS did nothing to the Jubbi, despite Jubbito being far more stronger and durable?
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    I just realised. Since RH is just raw pushing force (Putting aside the gravity Crap right now, It's physicaly impossible anyway), It wont actually be able to hurt obito, It would just Smash him into something. You know, a good old fashioned Senjutsu Rock. If only those existed.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Then why did a Rasengan hurt Jubbito when a FRS did nothing to the Jubbi, despite Jubbito being far more stronger and durable?
    Because He is invulnerable to Everything but senjutsu, but normaly vulnerable to it. That wound is basically the same as the various rasengan wounds allready shown.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowthulhu45 View Post
    Because He is invulnerable to Everything but senjutsu, but normaly vulnerable to it. That wound is basically the same as the various rasengan wounds allready shown.
    How did the Juubi tank an FRS then?

    Isn't the Juubi weaker than Jubbito?
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    How did the Juubi tank an FRS then?

    Isn't the Juubi weaker than Jubbito?
    You may have missed this, But the juubi is much bigger than obito.

    Also, a FRS cut of two of it's tails outside sage mode, so the juubi's weakness might not be SM
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowthulhu45 View Post
    You may have missed this, But the juubi is much bigger than obito.

    Also, a FRS cut of two of it's tails outside sage mode, so the juubi's weakness might not be SM
    Since when did size matter?

    A small 6 tailed Kyuubi was able to withstand pains attack despite the giant toads being flung around like rag dolls. How do you explain that?

    That wasn't FRS. It was the entire alliance in formation like a bird, using the Kyuubi cloaked wings to cut the tails.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    You talk about that rasengan but Obito had to be tagged in the first place for that to happen by Tobirama. RH may be instant but I can't see Madara matching up to anything Juubito has speedwise. Just look at what he did to Hashirama and Tobirama.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeozua View Post
    You talk about that rasengan but Obito had to be tagged in the first place for that to happen by Tobirama. RH may be instant but I can't see Madara matching up to anything Juubito has speedwise. Just look at what he did to Hashirama and Tobirama.
    RH instant.

    RH fused with Senjutsu is instant death for Juubito since anything Senjutsu is like kryptonite for Juubito. RH means "Kyrptonite" is teleported to Juubito instantaneously.

    Madara was fast enough to take out Tobirama.

    Juubito was too slow to take out Tobirama. That's why Madara had to do it.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

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    RH instant.

    RH fused with Senjutsu is instant death for Juubito since anything Senjutsu is like kryptonite for Juubito. RH means "Kyrptonite" is teleported to Juubito instantaneously.

    Madara was fast enough to take out Tobirama.

    Juubito was too slow to take out Tobirama. That's why Madara had to do it.
    Please, think before you post. This thread is more than ridiculous by now. Before I start with the main issue, I will go ahead and reply to your last part of that post.

    Madara wasn't any faster than Juubito when he fought Tobirama. There is a difference, not only wasn't Obito aware of the Tag place at him, but he has never fought Tobirama before. Madara knew about Tobirama's tactics, fighting style and more or less his entire person. Fact is, Madara was probably aware that Tobirama teleported before he even did it. Its the same as Madara already attacking before Tobirama teleports. Madara didn't react faster than Tobirama, he had already reacted before Tobirama even teleported. Also, why do you think Tobirama didn't just do the same thing over again on Juubito? Simple answer, he was aware that it wouldn't work a second time on Juubito has he would have been aware of it.

    Now, over to the main issue at hand.

    RH is almost instant, the manga shows that it takes about a second or a little less to for it to move a certain length. That being said, its highly likely that its a form of a quick moving and precise version of Shinra Tensei that takes the shapes of something like spears or rods. I am saying that its not a globe like the Shinra because it didn't affect the ground or anything else. So its like a set of rods that comes from the user and hits the targets within a second and its also not visible. That being said, we aren't aware if Madara is able to fuse Senjutsu with his jutsu just because he stole it. I also doubt that you can mold Senjutsu with a Kekkai Genkai such as the Rinnegan. Meaning that it most likely wouldn't have affected Juubito a whole lot. Now say he was able to fuse it with Senjutsu. It still looks like just a jutsu meant to push people over, seeing how the Bijuu's got not wounds what so ever and the ground wasn't affected.

    So at best, it would be able to send Juubito flying a little while. Now, Obito could also shield himself with the black malleable chakra of the Juubi and cancelled the attack if Madara wasn't able to fuse it with Senjutsu and if he was it would still have been blocked by the black chakra. Now, we can also assume that RH drains your chakra like crazy as Madara wasn't left with much afterwards. I say that because all he did afterwards was to seal the Bijuu's again, and then he was almost completely out of chakra from the looks of it. Now, Obito also sealed the Bijuu's with ease, and without losing alot of chakra. That means that either Obito has a lot more chakra than Madara, which is unlikely or the RH drained so much chakra from Madara that he was almost empty. Meaning that Madara would be able to use RH about twice before he was out, now that is just a theory. But following that, Juubito could easily have blocked or been hit by the RH and survived and then kill Madara afterwards.

    Also, Senjutsu isn't Juubito's kryptonite. Juubito doesn't get weaker by being close to it or even touching it. He can sustain the same damage from any attack, if it was a normal rasengan then he would have taken the same damage. Its the Black Malleable Chakra of the Juubi that can nullify ninjutsu, and it cannot nullify Senjutsu. That is why Naruto and Tobirama came to the conclusion that the only way to beat him was with Senjutsu. Juubito's body can be damaged by any jutsu, but the Black Chakra moves so fast that its not a good choice to use it against him. Senjutsu works better, and Juubito isn't weaker to it. He just isn't able to nullify it.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Katakitsu View Post
    Please, think before you post. This thread is more than ridiculous by now. Before I start with the main issue, I will go ahead and reply to your last part of that post.

    Madara wasn't any faster than Juubito when he fought Tobirama. There is a difference, not only wasn't Obito aware of the Tag place at him, but he has never fought Tobirama before. Madara knew about Tobirama's tactics, fighting style and more or less his entire person. Fact is, Madara was probably aware that Tobirama teleported before he even did it. Its the same as Madara already attacking before Tobirama teleports. Madara didn't react faster than Tobirama, he had already reacted before Tobirama even teleported. Also, why do you think Tobirama didn't just do the same thing over again on Juubito? Simple answer, he was aware that it wouldn't work a second time on Juubito has he would have been aware of it.

    Now, over to the main issue at hand.

    RH is almost instant, the manga shows that it takes about a second or a little less to for it to move a certain length. That being said, its highly likely that its a form of a quick moving and precise version of Shinra Tensei that takes the shapes of something like spears or rods. I am saying that its not a globe like the Shinra because it didn't affect the ground or anything else. So its like a set of rods that comes from the user and hits the targets within a second and its also not visible. That being said, we aren't aware if Madara is able to fuse Senjutsu with his jutsu just because he stole it. I also doubt that you can mold Senjutsu with a Kekkai Genkai such as the Rinnegan. Meaning that it most likely wouldn't have affected Juubito a whole lot. Now say he was able to fuse it with Senjutsu. It still looks like just a jutsu meant to push people over, seeing how the Bijuu's got not wounds what so ever and the ground wasn't affected.

    So at best, it would be able to send Juubito flying a little while. Now, Obito could also shield himself with the black malleable chakra of the Juubi and cancelled the attack if Madara wasn't able to fuse it with Senjutsu and if he was it would still have been blocked by the black chakra. Now, we can also assume that RH drains your chakra like crazy as Madara wasn't left with much afterwards. I say that because all he did afterwards was to seal the Bijuu's again, and then he was almost completely out of chakra from the looks of it. Now, Obito also sealed the Bijuu's with ease, and without losing alot of chakra. That means that either Obito has a lot more chakra than Madara, which is unlikely or the RH drained so much chakra from Madara that he was almost empty. Meaning that Madara would be able to use RH about twice before he was out, now that is just a theory. But following that, Juubito could easily have blocked or been hit by the RH and survived and then kill Madara afterwards.

    Also, Senjutsu isn't Juubito's kryptonite. Juubito doesn't get weaker by being close to it or even touching it. He can sustain the same damage from any attack, if it was a normal rasengan then he would have taken the same damage. Its the Black Malleable Chakra of the Juubi that can nullify ninjutsu, and it cannot nullify Senjutsu. That is why Naruto and Tobirama came to the conclusion that the only way to beat him was with Senjutsu. Juubito's body can be damaged by any jutsu, but the Black Chakra moves so fast that its not a good choice to use it against him. Senjutsu works better, and Juubito isn't weaker to it. He just isn't able to nullify it.
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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

    Quote Originally Posted by Katakitsu View Post
    Please, think before you post. This thread is more than ridiculous by now. Before I start with the main issue, I will go ahead and reply to your last part of that post.

    Madara wasn't any faster than Juubito when he fought Tobirama. There is a difference, not only wasn't Obito aware of the Tag place at him, but he has never fought Tobirama before. Madara knew about Tobirama's tactics, fighting style and more or less his entire person. Fact is, Madara was probably aware that Tobirama teleported before he even did it. Its the same as Madara already attacking before Tobirama teleports. Madara didn't react faster than Tobirama, he had already reacted before Tobirama even teleported. Also, why do you think Tobirama didn't just do the same thing over again on Juubito? Simple answer, he was aware that it wouldn't work a second time on Juubito has he would have been aware of it.

    Now, over to the main issue at hand.

    RH is almost instant, the manga shows that it takes about a second or a little less to for it to move a certain length. That being said, its highly likely that its a form of a quick moving and precise version of Shinra Tensei that takes the shapes of something like spears or rods. I am saying that its not a globe like the Shinra because it didn't affect the ground or anything else. So its like a set of rods that comes from the user and hits the targets within a second and its also not visible. That being said, we aren't aware if Madara is able to fuse Senjutsu with his jutsu just because he stole it. I also doubt that you can mold Senjutsu with a Kekkai Genkai such as the Rinnegan. Meaning that it most likely wouldn't have affected Juubito a whole lot. Now say he was able to fuse it with Senjutsu. It still looks like just a jutsu meant to push people over, seeing how the Bijuu's got not wounds what so ever and the ground wasn't affected.

    So at best, it would be able to send Juubito flying a little while. Now, Obito could also shield himself with the black malleable chakra of the Juubi and cancelled the attack if Madara wasn't able to fuse it with Senjutsu and if he was it would still have been blocked by the black chakra. Now, we can also assume that RH drains your chakra like crazy as Madara wasn't left with much afterwards. I say that because all he did afterwards was to seal the Bijuu's again, and then he was almost completely out of chakra from the looks of it. Now, Obito also sealed the Bijuu's with ease, and without losing alot of chakra. That means that either Obito has a lot more chakra than Madara, which is unlikely or the RH drained so much chakra from Madara that he was almost empty. Meaning that Madara would be able to use RH about twice before he was out, now that is just a theory. But following that, Juubito could easily have blocked or been hit by the RH and survived and then kill Madara afterwards.

    Also, Senjutsu isn't Juubito's kryptonite. Juubito doesn't get weaker by being close to it or even touching it. He can sustain the same damage from any attack, if it was a normal rasengan then he would have taken the same damage. Its the Black Malleable Chakra of the Juubi that can nullify ninjutsu, and it cannot nullify Senjutsu. That is why Naruto and Tobirama came to the conclusion that the only way to beat him was with Senjutsu. Juubito's body can be damaged by any jutsu, but the Black Chakra moves so fast that its not a good choice to use it against him. Senjutsu works better, and Juubito isn't weaker to it. He just isn't able to nullify it.
    That is a huge block of text. I will reply to all points in due time, but there is one very important counter I will provide.

    If a normal Rasengan will hurt just as much, then how in the world did he not get squashed by trillions of tons of tori? You know, the one Hashirama dropped on Jubbito. That was easily large enough to provide spine crushing force. For crying out loud, Hashiramas Tori are about as big as the Juubi's head.

    I think trillions of tons of tori is far more devistating than a rasengan. I think everyone can agree with this.
     
         

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    Re: Non Jin Rinnegan Madara>>>Jubbito

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    That is a huge block of text. I will reply to all points in due time, but there is one very important counter I will provide.

    If a normal Rasengan will hurt just as much, then how in the world did he not get squashed by trillions of tons of tori? You know, the one Hashirama dropped on Jubbito. That was easily large enough to provide spine crushing force. For crying out loud, Hashiramas Tori are about as big as the Juubi's head.

    Now, the juubi being bigger than obito means it will take less visable damage from the FRS, and it has much more defensive power than obito. As for the Shinobi aliance bird cutting the tails, guess who was at the front of the bird, doing all the work, with his double FRS's. Hint, His name does not rhyme with Mashirama Lenju.

    I think trillions of tons of tori is far more devistating than a rasengan. I think everyone can agree with this.
    Ooh yes, that reminds me. Guess who was using senjutsu chakra when he droped thousands of giant Tori on obito's head. Hint, his name rhymes with Mashirama Lenju.

    If obito could destroy them, that means that senjutsu cannot be his kryptonite. It is just the thing the black orbs cant break.
     
         

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