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    So then what about Kisame?

    if gai felt it necessary to go this far against him and use an attack that owned madaras stage 2 susano, how strong is kisame? even then kisame was basically unhurt by it, and got back up,broke yamatos mokuton and summoned a water dome/sharks to kill himself. again the same attack that raped MADARA briefly.
    and now we know how fast gated gai really is and yet kisame wasnt too worried about it. he didnt blitz kisame, he went right to his air shockwave punch!
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Kisame is a tank, he can heal VIA Samhada and hes persistent.

    Kisame is def top 15
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Kisame is underrated and zabuza as well.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katkot View Post
    Kisame is underrated and zabuza as well.
    Zabuza sucks...he was a basic ninja lol he had good speed and sensory skills but that about it. Kisame was the real beast
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Yes, Kisame's durability and stubborness make him a nightmare to fight against.

    As for the Susano'o, we don't know the outcome of it. It's rather likely that the Hirodura just sent it back but didn't do significant damage to it.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    Zabuza sucks...he was a basic ninja lol he had good speed and sensory skills but that about it. Kisame was the real beast
    Now you underestimate zabuza


    let's us use some of manga facts

    Zabuza in databook = 30.5/40

    Kisame in databook = 32/40

    Which means they are almost close in ability.

    Manga fact > your opinion.

    Kakashi was bad match up against zabuza however zabuza gave him hard time.
    While gai was bad match up against kisame too.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katkot View Post
    Now you underestimate zabuza


    let's us use some of manga facts

    Zabuza in databook = 30.5/40

    Kisame in databook = 32/40

    Which means they are almost close in ability.

    Manga fact > your opinion.

    Kakashi was bad match up against zabuza however zabuza gave him hard time.
    While gai was bad match up against kisame too.

    lmao no. the data book is not manga fact.

    manga fact

    Zabuza. killed by random fodder.

    manga fact.

    defeated by kakashi with only 3 tomoe usage in part 1 twice

    the data book is not manga fact...LMAO zabuza was weak. stop being bias. no kekegenkai or s ranked jutsu. dude was trash and thats manga fact.

    And zabuza was actually a good match up for kakashi. hidden mist was so thinck it countered kakashi's sharingan and thats something no one else has done yet. rendering kakashi's sharingan useless is no simple feat. he still got beat because he sucked though.
     
         
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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    lmao no. the data book is not manga fact.

    manga fact

    Zabuza. killed by random fodder.

    manga fact.

    defeated by kakashi with only 3 tomoe usage in part 1 twice

    the data book is not manga fact...LMAO zabuza was weak. stop being bias. no kekegenkai or s ranked jutsu. dude was trash and thats manga fact.

    And zabuza was actually a good match up for kakashi. hidden mist was so thinck it countered kakashi's sharingan and thats something no one else has done yet. rendering kakashi's sharingan useless is no simple feat. he still got beat because he sucked though.
    zabuza would wreck anyone if they didn't have sharingan/byakugan.

    mist+silent killing technique is too good.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by asparticus View Post
    zabuza would wreck anyone if they didn't have sharingan/byakugan.

    mist+silent killing technique is too good.
    Minato,Naruto,Killer B, Gai, Hiruzen, Hashirama, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Haku, Kimmimaro and Orochimaru...I can keep going

    And with the hidden mist, kakashi could not even use his sharingan so him having a sharingan was not even a factor until after the mist was gone.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Kisame is op more and more are seeing this. He is top 15 for sure but honestly has top 10 potential.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    Minato,Naruto,Killer B, Gai, Hiruzen, Hashirama, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Haku, Kimmimaro and Orochimaru...I can keep going

    And with the hidden mist, kakashi could not even use his sharingan so him having a sharingan was not even a factor until after the mist was gone.
    i mean, he was one of the legendary swordsman, so zabuza deserves more credibility. sharigan can detect chakra preserves, or something like that, i think?
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Kisame is very powerful.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    lmao no. the data book is not manga fact.

    manga fact

    Zabuza. killed by random fodder.

    manga fact.

    defeated by kakashi with only 3 tomoe usage in part 1 twice

    the data book is not manga fact...LMAO zabuza was weak. stop being bias. no kekegenkai or s ranked jutsu. dude was trash and thats manga fact.

    And zabuza was actually a good match up for kakashi. hidden mist was so thinck it countered kakashi's sharingan and thats something no one else has done yet. rendering kakashi's sharingan useless is no simple feat. he still got beat because he sucked though.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by asparticus View Post
    i mean, he was one of the legendary swordsman, so zabuza deserves more credibility. sharigan can detect chakra preserves, or something like that, i think?
    Well thats a different statement from "will wreck anyone". Yeah he deserves credit. i gave him credit by saying he is the only one to stop kakashi's sharingan, he is a fast ninja, and is a good tracking/sensing ninja, but compared to the rest of the non fodder ninja of the series he sucks. yes compared to the NV as a whole he is cool, but compared to relevant characters in the story he is weak
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    Minato,Naruto,Killer B, Gai, Hiruzen, Hashirama, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Haku, Kimmimaro and Orochimaru...I can keep going

    And with the hidden mist, kakashi could not even use his sharingan so him having a sharingan was not even a factor until after the mist was gone.
    For your information ..

    1) zabuza fought mizukage and survived before he escaped from mist village.
    2) the mizukage was obito .
    3) kakashi killed zabuza not the fodders who killed zabuza
    4) zabuza can beat half of your stuipd list.
    5) databook score is manga fact because kishimoto made it.
    6) zabuza isn't weak ninja , he was famous and respected among all shinobi as powerful ninja.
    7) he was jounin, anbu and member of 7 swordsmen of mist.
    8) kakashi lost in 1st fight , sasuke and Naruto saved him.
    9) kakashi lost all his chakra in his fight against zabuza so it was nit easy fight.
    10) you are an idiot + zabuza hater .
    11) he trained haku and made him powerful ninja
    12) he doesn't have any blood limit power doesn't make him weak just look at gai and rock lee.
    13) if zabuza lived until part2 then he can easily be one of strongest and close to current kakashi.

    Zabuza skill >>>>> that pathetic sephiroth in your avatar
     
         
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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katkot View Post
    For your information ..

    1) zabuza fought mizukage and survived before he escaped from mist village.
    2) the mizukage was obito .
    3) kakashi killed zabuza not the fodders who killed zabuza
    4) zabuza can beat half of your stuipd list.
    5) databook score is manga fact because kishimoto made it.
    6) zabuza isn't weak ninja , he was famous and respected among all shinobi as powerful ninja.
    7) he was jounin, anbu and member of 7 swordsmen of mist.
    8) kakashi lost in 1st fight , sasuke and Naruto saved him.
    9) kakashi lost all his chakra in his fight against zabuza so it was nit easy fight.
    10) you are an idiot + zabuza hater .
    11) he trained haku and made him powerful ninja
    12) he doesn't have any blood limit power doesn't make him weak just look at gai and rock lee.
    13) if zabuza lived until part2 then he can easily be one of strongest and close to current kakashi.

    Zabuza skill >>>>> that pathetic sephiroth in your avatar
    LMFAO the things fanboys tell themselves to sleep at night . I must have upset you LMAO
    Zabuza is not beating anyone on this list

    "Minato,Naruto,Killer B, Gai, Hiruzen, Hashirama, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Haku, Kimmimaro and Orochimaru"

    and kakashi defeated zabuza twice, naruto and sasuke saved him the second time not the first, and kakashi immobilized his arms he did not kill zabuza. he killed haku. zabuza was killed by gato's thugs... read the manga before you start talking non sense. Not a zabuza hater...i gave him his praise. i just call it like i see it. im not a blind fanboy i just speak the truth. compared to the real ninja, zabuza is not that good which is why he was a part 1 villain. He even got pwned in Edo form so your whole post is invalid. try again
     
         
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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katkot View Post
    Kisame is underrated and zabuza as well.
    zabuza is nothing compared to kisame
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Zabuza is a cool shinobi. I like him. He's in my top ten favorite character list (Which, actually includes around sixteen characters). But he's not on Kisame's level. He's not even close to.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    i dont know how u say kisame is underrated. he is one of the most skilled and one of most well written character. He can defeat all jinchuriki(wo nardo) and with high calliber. He is kakashi level ninja and comes to top 15 easily and gives a good match to almost everyone.
    His death was best ever. in naruto . Jiraiya and his are both best. i cant decide. but due to my fanism side i chose kisame
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    lmao no. the data book is not manga fact.

    manga fact

    Zabuza. killed by random fodder.

    manga fact.

    defeated by kakashi with only 3 tomoe usage in part 1 twice

    the data book is not manga fact...LMAO zabuza was weak. stop being bias. no kekegenkai or s ranked jutsu. dude was trash and thats manga fact.

    And zabuza was actually a good match up for kakashi. hidden mist was so thinck it countered kakashi's sharingan and thats something no one else has done yet. rendering kakashi's sharingan useless is no simple feat. he still got beat because he sucked though.
    so losing to the greatest jounin of the hidden leaf village with a sharingan eye is the definition of a fodder, are you retarded?
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Don't Forget, Gai went at Madara with Intent to kill.

    He only went at Kisame with Intent to capture him.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Kisame was not a normal ninja; he was conciously smiling and reached Samehada after his whole chest blown apart and was still alive while such injury causes instant death.
     
         

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    Re: So then what about Kisame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefirosu Masamune View Post
    LMFAO the things fanboys tell themselves to sleep at night . I must have upset you LMAO
    Zabuza is not beating anyone on this list

    "Minato,Naruto,Killer B, Gai, Hiruzen, Hashirama, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Haku, Kimmimaro and Orochimaru"

    and kakashi defeated zabuza twice, naruto and sasuke saved him the second time not the first, and kakashi immobilized his arms he did not kill zabuza. he killed haku. zabuza was killed by gato's thugs... read the manga before you start talking non sense. Not a zabuza hater...i gave him his praise. i just call it like i see it. im not a blind fanboy i just speak the truth. compared to the real ninja, zabuza is not that good which is why he was a part 1 villain. He even got pwned in Edo form so your whole post is invalid. try again
    Dude chill da F#ck out, the data book say's that he was close to Kisames score and Kisame got more air time.
    So even if Zabuza was killed by folders keep in mind that he was low on chakra, had no arms to use and he had a kunai in his mouth.
    And if that is not egnough for you then how about this, Zabuza decapiteded Gatou with the Kunai.
     
         

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