Re: Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura.
While i agree with most of this, the idea that Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed both Jiraiya and Orochimaru is one that i personally disagree with.
Originally Posted by Scary Yamato
Lets start by comparing Sasuke to Oro. While the first arguement is likely that Sasuke defeated Oro, Sasuke himself admits that he was only able to do so because of Oro being on his death bed.
This being said, Sasuke is obviously much stronger now than he was back then. However if we think back to Oro when he was his strongest, Which i believe to be when he fought Hiruzen, we can see that only a ninja of the 3rds calibur was ever able to come close to Oros abilities. Without the dead demon seal Hiruzen would have died fighting Oro. Therefore we can attest that Orochimaru is equal to or greater than Hiruzen. As far as we know in the story the only character that has officially been named stronger than hiruzen is Minato, and considering that the third was able to fight off both the first and 2nd hokage single handedly we know that only a very select few ninja match his strength.
Based on Sasukes battle with Killer Bee and the Raikage i do not believe that Sasuke has achieved the same strength that Oro possessed while at his top form.
Now on to Naruto, Using what i call the "Itachi Card" we can determine that Jiraiya was stronger than orochimaru ever was.
To explain the Itachi card we examine Oros great fear of itachi and his belief that he can not defeat him, as well as the statement made by itachi regarding jiraiya in which itachi admitted that he would not be able to defeat jiraiya this being said we determine that jiraiya>orochimaru and therefore jiraiya>hiruzen.
On top of this we have Pain who admits that if jiraiya would have had intel on him, jiraiya would have been victorious in their battle. So Jiraiya>pain. In Narutos battle with pain, Pain had already exhausted a great deal of chakra destroying the village and was unable to use full strength during the fight. By this we do not have a standard to say whether or not Naruto is stronger than pain or not.
With the information about jiraiya we can determine that based on the manga the only ninja stronger than jiraiya is Minato. After The last 5 manga chapters we have finally seen Minatos true strength and i believe we can universally agree that Minato is far beyond any other ninja in terms of ability.
Note that this theory takes into account the strength of naruto not including his new kyuubi powers and sasuke without EMS because we have yet to see exactly how powerful they have become. We know they will surpass all ninja eventually, i just do not believe they have done so yet.