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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Kishi is likely drawing out the "evolution" of naruto's body to fulfill the SO6P giving up his body. It would definitely be interesting to see whether or not combining his forms if he is able to achieve the eyes of the sage or something more powerful than the Sharingan
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by TimUsher View Post
    I like all this except that Senju predate Uzumaki, we have no proof of this, Uzumaki have been alive since before Hashirama's time, plus we don't when either clan was founded


    distant relatives


    now if senju weren't the direct descendant's of the younger brother then the wording would have been something like "which one of the descendants were senju"

    now the thing with this is, it shows pictures of madara and hashirama... these weren't the direct descendants it probably goes more like this...

    1) so6p
    2) his sons become senju and uchiha
    3) clans begin to form from branches off of these families and growing in number as ninja travel the country (obviously spreading their seed and receiving it for the next generation, growing the number of senju and uchiha aswell as creating new unique clans through mutations.)
    4) many many years later during the time when many clans were in existance, hashirama and madara were born.


    in this instance it keeps true to all we know. uzumaki would be one of the branch families. so6p's sons would still both be senju and uchiha (if you think about the english used it most likely means his children's families not talking about distant descendants otherwise it'd say senju was one of the descendants.

    in essence naruto is infact of senju blood therefore related to so6p but not close relation, not like great grandson or something silly. now here's the thing when it goes to talking about the sharingan, byakugan and rinnegan it's a little awkward, as the only way i see it is if either byakugan was a mutation from sharingan (which is opposite of what kakashi thought) or the hyuuga are seperate altogether.
    although so6p brought all jutsu into the world, this doesn't mean only his sons could use it... on the contrary he could have taught people to utilize it.

    this is merely what i see as the most logical solution until any more evidence comes out.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ3Gotenks View Post
    I didn't say they were weak it was because of their training Naruto was able to defeat Pain. I just look it like a stop-gap because really when you have the infintite chakra of the Kyuubi and we have seen he can sense people's evil or whatnot in 9-Tails mode what other benefits are there really to using the Sage mode when he can turn the other off and on with no sitting still and no risk. The only risk I see right now is he is not used to his power yet and will need some training to use it more effectively.
    sage mode makes the user greatly more resistant to pain, and makes their body much harder to injure. Naruto in sage mode fell from high distances onto rocks and didnt even feel discomfort.

    the fox chakra will be a huge benefit to him, but sage mode still has uses.

    Also, the nature chakra he uses makes it so that no one can steal his chaka anymore. Anyone who tries to steal it will be turned to a stone frog.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    i think there's no relation between bloodline or genes or something like that with who'll be the next SO6P. . .
    let's take an example, Nagato who isn't belong to any clan which is blood related with SO6P, inherited the rinnegan. If his father/mother are a descendants of SO6P why don't they inherit the rinnegan instead?
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    If Naruto uses both Sage Chakra and SO6P to detected Madara appearance and waits for Madara to solidify, the use His new speed to hit Him before He can teleport and keeps doing this over and over in hit and run tactics Naruto can ware down Madara.

    It's not really the SO6P its the 9-Tails chakra he taps into that gives him the appearance I think it is because of him being the reincarnation that he takes on this appearance instead of how Bee can transfrom into the 8Tails. But who knows naruto may also be able to transform into the Kyuubi completely who knows. I think he is gonna fight Sasuke before he fights Madara.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by BarBoBot View Post
    sage mode makes the user greatly more resistant to pain, and makes their body much harder to injure. Naruto in sage mode fell from high distances onto rocks and didnt even feel discomfort.

    the fox chakra will be a huge benefit to him, but sage mode still has uses.

    Also, the nature chakra he uses makes it so that no one can steal his chaka anymore. Anyone who tries to steal it will be turned to a stone frog.

    I think it may have some uses but Kishi had to come up with an answer to the fact that no enemy is gonna let Naruto sit around and gather the natural energy and it is not infinite because he does have to gather it while sitting still but I do realize he can use clones but only 2 and I don't think that is gonna change. Now he may use it to start a battle out with then go into his most powerful mode the 9-Tails mode.(like most characters do in manga start a fight not showing true power then release more as the fight progresses)

    One other thing to remember is that the 9-tails chakra is why naruto has always been able to recover so quickly now he has instant access to it.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ3Gotenks View Post
    It's not really the SO6P its the 9-Tails chakra he taps into that gives him the appearance I think it is because of him being the reincarnation that he takes on this appearance instead of how Bee can transfrom into the 8Tails. But who knows naruto may also be able to transform into the Kyuubi completely who knows. I think he is gonna fight Sasuke before he fights Madara.
    Then why is He not a red or bubbling like before or like the other Host and why dose he has SO6P look? The SO6P own at one time all tail beast inside Him His own chakra must have imprinted on the beast and now a descendant of SO6P HAS ACTIVATED THAT! Fox chakra was poisonous to all who touch it this chakra heals. The way that everything is now folding its clear Naruto is a direct descendant of the SO6P Uzumaki are from the SO6P.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Assumptions Kill...
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Naruto can waste Chakra and still have plenty to spare, but learning to use it right is a plus in His column.
    Sorry for sounding like a noob but what is S06P?
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    nevermind haha sage of six paths
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kawagiri View Post
    let me put these "half" theories to rest... until proper proof comes along anyway.

    a) Senju predates uzumaki, although they are distant relatives.

    b) naruto only goes into that mode after using the power of the 9 tails, the strongest of the 9 seperate beasts (10 tails discounted cos it is the combination of all)

    what does this tell us, yes there is link between so6p but it isn't a close one.

    So6p was using beast chakra probably 9 tails up when we've seen images of him. when bee went 8 tails it was kinda different, bee works in harmony with his beast, he can use full form without the beast taking over... using 9 tails' chakra most likely has this effect because he's using the power himself, it's quite possible bee doesn't use the chakra like naruto does because of this fact. as the chakra is still the 8 tails' chakra... which i think kishi really forgot about.

    what's the most likely theory?
    a) kishi is merely drawing comparisons to so6p with naruto being "the chosen one"
    b) that form is either only obtained by using power from beasts 9 and 10 being the strongest 2, or the effects are different between forcefully taking chakra and being in co-operation with the bijuu.
    c) just as s06p started the ninja world, naruto is likely to bring peace or maybe even end the era of ninjas.

    looking like someone or taking a form similar doesn't make them close relatives


    (i think kishi kinda messed up, cos bee's bijuu works with him and wasn't sealed away like naruto's so how could bee have done the same training?... the only possible backtrack he could make is if bee forced the beast into submission instead or if the hachibi after being sealed again chose to help him because he was stronger)
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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    The way I see it Naruto isn't the So6P but a new sage of his own right, allow me to explain.


    As soon as most of the fox's chakra merged with Naruto he underwent a noticeable change resembling the So6P.

    We also found out Naruto is a distant blood relative to the senju.
    So this could mean Naruto inherits something comparable to the So6P's body and the Uzimaki clan are blessed with a long life expectancy which can be translated into strong life force energy.

    He also just got a large amount of the fox's chakra which is the Yang(Spiritual) part, which is also strong spiritual energy. Also Naruto is a sage of sorts as he has sage eyes obviously not the Rinnegan but nevertheless.

    So Naruto now has all the components the So6P's sons shared amongst each other from the So6P. (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page012.html)

    1) A comparable So6P body as the Senju clan via his lineage with the Uzumaki clan.
    2) Life force energy also comparable to the one the Senju clan inherited via the Uzumaki clan.
    3) Spiritual energy thanks to the yang(spiritual) part of the fox's chakra the forth hokage sealed in Naruto. Again also could be comparable back to the Juubi and the So6P.
    4) Sage eye's via senjutsu, again not the same as So6P but sage eyes of sorts.
    6) And finally sage chakra also via senjutsu.

    Naruto isn't the Sage of Six Paths (unless he gets the Rinnegan, strongly doubt it though), but he certainly can be a Representative.

    Naruto is now a fully pledged Sage of his own right.
     
         
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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Then why is He not a red or bubbling like before or like the other Host and why dose he has SO6P look? The SO6P own at one time all tail beast inside Him His own chakra must have imprinted on the beast and now a descendant of SO6P HAS ACTIVATED THAT! Fox chakra was poisonous to all who touch it this chakra heals. The way that everything is now folding its clear Naruto is a direct descendant of the SO6P Uzumaki are from the SO6P.
    It wasn't poisonous to Naruto or his mother or the 1st Hokage's wife and guess what they were not the SO6P.

    If you read the manga it is pretty apparent that he locked away the Kyuubi probably due to his hidden Abilities as the reincarnation of Rikuudo. With the Kyuubi's will locked away naruto only taps into the chakra of the 9-Tails so I am thinking he will not transform like Bee. I have a feeling that there was really no way of the 9-Tails actually being a willing participant in anything for anyone. So unlike the Hachibi and Bee, Naruto has separated the will and mind from himself and the 9-Tails just re-read the last 5-9 chapters.

    Just face it more than likely Sage mode is gone for the most part just like in DB when Goku reached SSJ he quit with the Kaio-Ken and before that the great ape.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    It was poisonous to Sakura and First Hokage a Senju needed His Wife an Uzumaki whose Uzumaki blood not Senju counter the effects of the fox chakra. And this is not Goku were you have a different Author and Aliens remember Goku was an alien bound by different rules than Terran. Sage Mode will enhance the new mode take it even father than it is now. As PA stated what ever you got Sage mode enhances it. Going beyond The SO6P, thats what Naruto is going to do.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    It was poisonous to Sakura and First Hokage a Senju needed His Wife an Uzumaki whose Uzumaki blood not Senju counter the effects of the fox chakra. And this is not Goku were you have a different Author and Aliens remember Goku was an alien bound by different rules than Terran. Sage Mode will enhance the new mode take it even father than it is now. As PA stated what ever you got Sage mode enhances it. Going beyond The SO6P, thats what Naruto is going to do.
    Well I still ain't buying the fact that he will always have clones ready for battle for senjutsu chakra.

    BTW Kishi has stated previously that DB was a big influence on Naruto the manga and the character as a whole.

    Same can even be said for Sasuke everytime he upgraded his Sharingan he didn't go back and use the weaker version. This is Naruto not Terran and although Kishi has stated that he took ideas from DB it is also not Db if so I wouldn't be reading already read it and watched this is completely different with some ideas incorporated.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Naruto is Terran that is Latin for Earthling, Science Uses Latin to name things Earth is Terra and our Son in space chats is called Sol, it's the word wide use by the Scientific community. And Science Fiction writhers.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    The more closer in power Naruto gets to the SO6P, the more He starts to look like SO6P. Looks like Uzumaki are much closer in the line of the SO6P than Senju and Uchiha are.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Well regarding to that if Naruto's eyes will change if he mixes the new kyuubi chakra and his sage mode, he will most likely get new eyes. This i can come up with because when he is talking to Nagato, he gets new eyes.

    Naruto Manga Chapter 444 - Page 4 and 6
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    That a possibility we will have to wait, till Naruto starts experimenting with what He can do now. We have only seen speed and strength and life giving chakra so far no telling when He mixes Life chakra and Natural energy how far it may take Him.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    That a possibility we will have to wait, till Naruto starts experimenting with what He can do now. We have only seen speed and strength and life giving chakra so far no telling when He mixes Life chakra and Natural energy how far it may take Him.
    It would be awesome if he somehow developed Wood release just as strong as the 1st, since he is related to him.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Relates to Him? No, and Yamato dose wood cooler would be if He can make and use chains like His mother, for setting up an attack by not letting Madara teleport out.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Not to sound like a complete noob(and I am) but has anyone taken into account that may just maybe the last page of the 508 could have relevance to this topic, let me explain my self

    The SO6P gave his sons the following : Younger son his body, Older son his eyes.
    Senju are the descendents of the Younger brother
    Uchiha are the descendents of the Older brother

    Naruto is a distant relative of the senju
    Sasuke is a Uchiha

    So think of it this why

    Naruto posses the body of the SO6P( The younger brother) - Hence his new apperance

    Madara is looking for Nagato's body to take is eyes, That could land up with Sasuke(maybe)

    Hence Madara's prophesy will come true the Body and Eyes will face each other once more.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Ok after reading all 4 pages of posts i only have one request........

    CAN WE PLEASE USE PROPER GRAMMAR AND SPELLING!!!!!, Honord Sage i'm looking at you.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    Quote Originally Posted by uchiha obito View Post
    Not to sound like a complete noob(and I am) but has anyone taken into account that may just maybe the last page of the 508 could have relevance to this topic, let me explain my self

    The SO6P gave his sons the following : Younger son his body, Older son his eyes.
    Senju are the descendents of the Younger brother
    Uchiha are the descendents of the Older brother

    Naruto is a distant relative of the senju
    Sasuke is a Uchiha

    So think of it this why

    Naruto posses the body of the SO6P( The younger brother) - Hence his new apperance

    Madara is looking for Nagato's body to take is eyes, That could land up with Sasuke(maybe)

    Hence Madara's prophesy will come true the Body and Eyes will face each other once more.
    That's history repeating itself, and Naruto will be breaking that cycle if the prophecy comes true. I figure him and Sasuke will be the last ones to go at it like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragerok View Post
    Ok after reading all 4 pages of posts i only have one request........

    CAN WE PLEASE USE PROPER GRAMMAR AND SPELLING!!!!!, Honord Sage i'm looking at you.
    I'm not sure his origin, but not everyone is a native english speaker. I personally try my best, and I'm a native english speaker but everyone varies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Relates to Him? No, and Yamato dose wood cooler would be if He can make and use chains like His mother, for setting up an attack by not letting Madara teleport out.
    So a couple of things. First, couldn't the first Hokage make actual trees while Yamato can only do wood? The impure soul version of the first Hokage use like a forest of death technique on Sarutobi. Now that Naruto was near Yamato's wood element jutsu, it grew leaves and branches. Thus, I'm wondering if the first Hokage had some implicit life energy as well.

    Second, I fear that Kushina's chain technique leaves the user vulnerable and immobile. The chains come out of her body, so it'd be cool if she could ground them and still keep the target chained.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki closer to the SO6P?

    ummm... ok that was alot to read... and mostly pointless too...

    Naruto's eyes in sage mode arent dojutsu. They look like that because while he has much better control than Jiraya did, he still doesnt have perfect control. Because of this he partially changes to a toad like appearance. However as i said he has better control than Jiraya, so only his eyes change, unlike Jiraya. When he uses kyuubis chakra he goes through physical changes as well includeing the slit pupils. When he channeled Kyuubi chakra while in sage mode, he had Toad like eyes, with the slit pupils. These arent "sage eyes" just a mark of his lack of perfect control. His new look while tapping into Kyuubi's chakra doesnt appear to change his eyes at all(its not in color so maybe)

    NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 505 - Page 9
    so it will probably not alter the toad like look(unless it gives him better control over the natural chakra, thus getting rid of the changes all together)



    Secondly, we still dont know anything about Minato's parent's, so Naruto could very well have Senju blood(directly), We do know of a person with both senju and uzumaki blood directly, aka Tsunade. one set of her grandparents were the First (Senju) and his wife(Uzumaki). But as they are distantly related, they can both be said to have originated with the Sot6P... or at least his sons... (since you know, the Senju and the Uchiha are distantly related too....)

    Finally... the manga doesnt say the oldest son took the name uchiha and the younger senju... its says their descendants did... for all we know they both had two sons, who would be the founders of the four clans... or 3 or 4 kids a piece who each founded a clan... or the founded completely different clans that died out to single members in the fighting and new clans were formed from them....
    i mean:
    NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 462 - Page 12

    you can see the older brother has Rinnengan(sp?) not Sharingan....

    and here
    NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 462 - Page 13

    He clearly says the blood thinned(because they probably werent commiting major incest, thus spreading the Sot6P's blood, you know daughters marrying into other clans, other daughters marrying into theirs) And that the uchiha and senju formed from the brothers descendants. So for all we know the uzumaki clan did form before the senju. The history lesson was mainly to point out the history between the clans, not claim a direct lineage.

    sorry about so much text but i had alot to say
     
         

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