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    Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Shadow Madara was able to take out Godzilla sized beasts with nothing but punches.

    How?


    We all know that anti matter and matter collisions release tremendous amounts of energy( much more than a nuke).

    Well, shadow objects in Limbo realm could be considered Anti Real.

    When Anti Real and Real collide, a huge impact should occur.

    Here is the caveat, when anti matter and matter collide, they cancel each other out, just like when -8 encounters 8 to become 0. In anti matter though, the masses cancel and are both converted to pure energy.

    But Shadow objects in Limbo do not follow causality. They do not follow the rules of normal reality, hence they are like Looney Toon characters and can never be destroyed. Think about it, Limbo is nothingness personified so how can something that is "nothing" follow logic?

    The only way to force Shadow Madara to follow logic and causality, hence allow it to be destroyed, is to hit it with Rikudo Senjutsu.

    It seems Madara is able to decide the precise moment when the Shadow Madara is able to interact with the real world.

    This is why Madara was scared of using Shadow Madara to retreive his Rinnegan. Even if Shadow Madara tried to gently remove the Rinnegan from Obito, just coming into contact with him would cause an extremely violent reaction.


    Another possibility is that by breaching the Limbo world and real world. (i.e Shadow Madara's Punch), a huge surge of energy is released from that small instant where the walls of reality melt.
     
         
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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    I think it's just senjutsu enhancement....and wouldn't that impact destroy himself??

    edit: it could've been a susannoo punch as well
     
         
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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by throneoo View Post
    I think it's just senjutsu enhancement....and wouldn't that impact destroy himself??
    Ah, there in lies the problem.

    Perhaps all things in Limbo world are completely unharmed unless it's Rikudo's Senjutsu.

    When a electron and positron touch each other, they both anihilate

    But when something that isn't real meets something that is, well the real one is destoryed but the unreal one can't because it's not real. It doesn't follow the same rules of logic( i.e destroyed, exists, at a certain location etc).

    But Rikudo Senjutsu is somehow able to bring it back to normal earthly logic.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    And you think that's KISHI'S LOGIC !!!???

    Dude,he is a writer not a scientist. Hell most people here won't even understand you.

    And btw,anti-matter and matter collision result in huge amount of energy,true,but the impact is taken by both of them. Here that's not the case. It's just SM,RINNEGAN & JUBI JIN.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    agree limbo is so strong
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by vasu 32 View Post
    And you think that's KISHI'S LOGIC !!!???

    Dude,he is a writer not a scientist. Hell most people here won't even understand you.

    And btw,anti-matter and matter collision result in huge amount of energy,true,but the impact is taken by both of them. Here that's not the case. It's just SM,RINNEGAN & JUBI JIN.
    I explained in the above post why that may not be the case.

    Shadow objects do not follow laws of causality and logic.

    Only Rikudo Senjutsu can bring those objects under real logic and hence is able to destroy it.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    By your logic half of NV would perish when shadow Madara delivers a punch. That didnt happen.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Wouldn't shadow madara just annihilate himself then? He would be in contact with the air.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    What he hasn't even used it yet. Is there new chap today?
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Wouldn't an anti matter collision be stronger than that? Not bashing Madara but I don't think he has any anti matter moves.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Shadow Madara was able to take out Godzilla sized beasts with nothing but punches.

    How?


    We all know that anti matter and matter collisions release tremendous amounts of energy( much more than a nuke).

    Well, shadow objects in Limbo realm could be considered Anti Real.

    When Anti Real and Real collide, a huge impact should occur.

    It seems Madara is able to decide the precise moment when the Shadow Madara is able to interact with the real world.


    Another possibility is that by breaching the Limbo world and real world. (i.e Shadow Madara's Punch), a huge surge of energy is released from that small instant where the walls of reality melt.
    You're up to something. Whatever it is, you're making a lot of sense...
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Interesting, I'd think that "shadow" madara would've use senjutsu enhanced ​yasaka magatama to hit all the bijuus at once but I like the way you think
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by vasu 32 View Post
    And you think that's KISHI'S LOGIC !!!???

    Dude,he is a writer not a scientist. Hell most people here won't even understand you.

    And btw,anti-matter and matter collision result in huge amount of energy,true,but the impact is taken by both of them. Here that's not the case. It's just SM,RINNEGAN & JUBI JIN.
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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

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    You're up to something. Whatever it is, you're making a lot of sense...
    what does it takes for one's thread to make sence?
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Shadow Madara was able to take out Godzilla sized beasts with nothing but punches.

    How?


    We all know that anti matter and matter collisions release tremendous amounts of energy( much more than a nuke).

    Well, shadow objects in Limbo realm could be considered Anti Real.

    When Anti Real and Real collide, a huge impact should occur.

    Here is the caveat, when anti matter and matter collide, they cancel each other out, just like when -8 encounters 8 to become 0. In anti matter though, the masses cancel and are both converted to pure energy.

    But Shadow objects in Limbo do not follow causality. They do not follow the rules of normal reality, hence they are like Looney Toon characters and can never be destroyed. Think about it, Limbo is nothingness personified so how can something that is "nothing" follow logic?

    The only way to force Shadow Madara to follow logic and causality, hence allow it to be destroyed, is to hit it with Rikudo Senjutsu.

    It seems Madara is able to decide the precise moment when the Shadow Madara is able to interact with the real world.

    This is why Madara was scared of using Shadow Madara to retreive his Rinnegan. Even if Shadow Madara tried to gently remove the Rinnegan from Obito, just coming into contact with him would cause an extremely violent reaction.


    Another possibility is that by breaching the Limbo world and real world. (i.e Shadow Madara's Punch), a huge surge of energy is released from that small instant where the walls of reality melt.
    I like what you're doing here, it's definitely something to consider for the mechanisms behind limbo. Good thread Bean!!
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdogg View Post
    I like what you're doing here, it's definitely something to consider for the mechanisms behind limbo. Good thread Bean!!
    Thanks! I put a lot of thought into it.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    i agree but it will still be weird how someone thats not a senju punch so hard
    well then again anything is possible with madara plot device
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    wtf...it would destroy the whole planet...
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by minamoto View Post
    what does it takes for one's thread to make sence?
    Logic, and proper use of manga facts to reach plausible conclusions (not farfetched).

    For instance, let's think about the possibility of Tobi being Madara. If you think there are other possibilities that are even simpler, try to handle the most simple cases first, and once these simple cases are disproved, you can go further down something more complex. "Occam's Razor".
     
         
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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    That's an interesting idea. That kinda would explain why Naruto wasn't in the slightest bit affected when he dodged it while holding YRS. If the Shadow(non-real) Madara is not able to make contact with the target then there is no collision between real and unreal, thus no damage is received by the target.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    I doubt kishi is working with this logic. if you looked up antimatter you would know that even contact with tiny matter such as gas particle would cause an explosion. So everytime madara let out "antimatter madara" there would be a trail of explosions leading up to his indended target as his shadow self comes in contact with normal air. This kind of defeats the point as we would be able to trace its movement. If kishi is indeed working with this logic. then it is deeply flawed.
     
         

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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Shadow Madara was able to take out Godzilla sized beasts with nothing but punches.

    How?


    We all know that anti matter and matter collisions release tremendous amounts of energy( much more than a nuke).

    Well, shadow objects in Limbo realm could be considered Anti Real.

    When Anti Real and Real collide, a huge impact should occur.

    Here is the caveat, when anti matter and matter collide, they cancel each other out, just like when -8 encounters 8 to become 0. In anti matter though, the masses cancel and are both converted to pure energy.

    But Shadow objects in Limbo do not follow causality. They do not follow the rules of normal reality, hence they are like Looney Toon characters and can never be destroyed. Think about it, Limbo is nothingness personified so how can something that is "nothing" follow logic?

    The only way to force Shadow Madara to follow logic and causality, hence allow it to be destroyed, is to hit it with Rikudo Senjutsu.

    It seems Madara is able to decide the precise moment when the Shadow Madara is able to interact with the real world.

    This is why Madara was scared of using Shadow Madara to retreive his Rinnegan. Even if Shadow Madara tried to gently remove the Rinnegan from Obito, just coming into contact with him would cause an extremely violent reaction.


    Another possibility is that by breaching the Limbo world and real world. (i.e Shadow Madara's Punch), a huge surge of energy is released from that small instant where the walls of reality melt.
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    Re: Why Madara's Limbo is so strong( anti reality-reality collision)

    Quote Originally Posted by noddy1419 View Post
    I doubt kishi is working with this logic. if you looked up antimatter you would know that even contact with tiny matter such as gas particle would cause an explosion. So everytime madara let out "antimatter madara" there would be a trail of explosions leading up to his indended target as his shadow self comes in contact with normal air. This kind of defeats the point as we would be able to trace its movement. If kishi is indeed working with this logic. then it is deeply flawed.
    If it was like that, The shadow madara, which originaly appears in Madara's own body, would explode, annihilating the real madara and basically being a Final Flash.
     
         

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