[Discussion] truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

[Sentinel]

In your oppinion
Did madara speak the truth when he said nagato got his rinnegan from madara or did he lie?

and if you think he spoke the truth please also comment about why you think madara chose nagato, because from flashbacks we can see nagato's rinnegan right before he killed the shinobi that killed his parrents (chapter 444 page 17) so madara would have had to have given the rinnegan to nagato before he felt his first pein, and long before he even conciderd being a shinobi

[Sentinel]

oh, and just for the record, I'm going for "it's a lie"

[GaaraHatake]

I would have to say lie, because he would only be about 7,8 when his parents died, so unless madara came to him when he was a baby or made a deal with his parents ( which i doubt) then madara is lieing. But this is naruto we're talking about so god knows what could happen

[David1996]

Plus from where will madara get the rinnegan from

[Honord Sage]

Madara may have speeded up Nagato's eye development by controlling the events that cause the death of Nagato's parents.

[GaaratheFifth]

Madara may have speeded up Nagato's eye development by controlling the events that cause the death of Nagato's parents.

I think you just nailed it. Good work.

[ClanKiller]

This IS the world of NARUTO we're speaking of so that could mean countless things like; Tobi could possibly be the Original Sharingan user that failed to obtain the SO6P's position or whatever they were fighting over, and by saying he's taking back what's his he could mean they should have been his in the 1st place, shit idk, anythings possible, he could be Nagato's Father for all we know.

[ClanKiller]

Madara may have speeded up Nagato's eye development by controlling the events that cause the death of Nagato's parents.

that would have helped him "Awaken" them but i don't think that in doing so he "gave" them to Nagato making them Originally Madara's. I think he some how did some Itachi/Sasuke shit & gave him the powers.

[Honord Sage]

that would have helped him "Awaken" them but i don't think that in doing so he "gave" them to Nagato making them Originally Madara's. I think he some how did some Itachi/Sasuke shit & gave him the powers.

The burden of proof is on you not us, we know from experience Madara dose not tell the hole true t about anything, only enough to get His desired results as with Sasuke and others. You must present to us credible evidence that we can examine in detail.

[ClanKiller]

The burden of proof is on you not us, we know from experience Madara dose not tell the hole true t about anything, only enough to get His desired results as with Sasuke and others. You must present to us credible evidence that we can examine in detail.

wtf? do you think your a detective? or are you just trying to sound smart? i said "i think", meaning; it's my Opinion against yours wth do you mean "credible evidence that we can examine in detail" lmfao :flaw: i need no credible evidence to back my predictions or opinions up, that's what makes them predictions, one more time for your failed comment :flaw:

[Akisha]

I think it's true..
It's not like Kishi's style to say something so big and then be a lie. It doesn't seem right to me.


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[BigTDogg220]

The only way I could see it being remotely true is if Madara is somehow Nagato's real father. Otherwise he would've kept control of Nagato from his birth to his death and Nagato never would've betrayed him...

[Inception]

Maybe Madara somehow controlled Nagato into using it. Nagato says he "blacked out" when he first used it to kill the ninja who attacked Yahiko and him. Did Madara use his Sharingan to awaken Rinnegan? Perhaps Madara was controlling the ninja who went after them and all the prior events that took place with Nagato, like Honored Sage said.

I believe Madara did help him activate it but didn't actually give him the eye.

[kisamexRocks]

I think it was the truth. Since Madara did know allot about Itachi and a huge deal about Uchiha, and he knew that Itachi paid his respects to Sarutobi. It's only logical that madara was behind the whole Akatsuki creation and it's business. Nagato/Yahiko would have no idea or clue on how to get tailed beast's and begin extracting them, unless they got help from Madara. Since Madara does steal eyes and stuff i would assume he someone taught Nagato to awaken his Rinnegan or when he was a child transferred the eyes into him.

Then a bigger question is who is the former user of the Rinnegan.

[Scary Yamato]

Maybe Madara somehow controlled Nagato into using it. Nagato says he "blacked out" when he first used it to kill the ninja who attacked Yahiko and him. Did Madara use his Sharingan to awaken Rinnegan? Perhaps Madara was controlling the ninja who went after them and all the prior events that took place with Nagato, like Honored Sage said.

I believe Madara did help him activate it but didn't actually give him the eye.

Good point. He may not have literally given nagato his rinnegan, but controled the circumstances to awken it. sharingan can read chakra so maybe he tracked down the bloodline and put him in a stressful situation to see how he would react and read his chakra.

Sharingan seems to activate during stressful battle situations, so maybe the rinnegan is similar.

[Honord Sage]

Could be the Sharigan users normally have an event to awaken their power, why not a Rinnegan user too? A trauma in their life. Perhaps Madara was keeping a list of possible descendant of The SO6P in all the villages and the wars were the excuse to speed up the eye to the surface so as to influence its owners to His cause. As far as Madara is concern He truly believes He is the rightful ruler of the world, so all things belong to Him in His mind.

[Scary Yamato]

Could be the Sharigan users normally have an event to awaken their power, why not a Rinnegan user too? A trauma in their life. Perhaps Madara was keeping a list of possible descendant of The SO6P in all the villages and the wars were the excuse to speed up the eye to the surface so as to influence its owners to His cause. As far as Madara is concern He truly believes He is the rightful ruler of the world, so all things belong to Him in His mind.

LOL you and I wrote basically the same thing

[Honord Sage]

Well, we both examine the evidence before us so far and logic has made us come to basically the same conclusion, that is to be expected.

[Akisha]

I think it was the truth. Since Madara did know allot about Itachi and a huge deal about Uchiha, and he knew that Itachi paid his respects to Sarutobi. It's only logical that madara was behind the whole Akatsuki creation and it's business. Nagato/Yahiko would have no idea or clue on how to get tailed beast's and begin extracting them, unless they got help from Madara. Since Madara does steal eyes and stuff i would assume he someone taught Nagato to awaken his Rinnegan or when he was a child transferred the eyes into him.

Then a bigger question is who is the former user of the Rinnegan.

Well if the eyes were transferred now aweakened. I could think for only one former user of the Rinnegan.
The Sage of The Six Paths. So if he transfered the eyes into Nagato, this may be the answer of where Madara got the Rinnegan.

But then it comes the question how did he know where SO6P's body is.
- It may be written in the book that SO6P left to the Uchiha clan.

(Or there might be a way of aweaking the Rinnegan, also written in the book)

[ayameh]

Truth. that's my vote.

mebbe that first time, it was actually Madara who killed the leaf shinobi and then "gave" the rinnegan to nagato. Cause nagato doesn't remember anything as he was knocked out.

I don't see any point for him to create a lie just so he could get what he wanted from konan. Madara is just plain EVIL... anything is possible. just my 2 cents.

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

honord sage is right.he provoked the rinnegan to awaken and speed up the process

[maldoror]

I personally don't think its so6p's eyes, but it might be the eyes of his elder son who also had rinnegan. The elder son thought "power" was the key to the peace and he was The ancestor of Uchiha clan. So maybe the elder son left his eyes to his descendants so that they could use it to rule the world with "power". The transcripts left in the Uchiha sanctuary (which Madara talked about) might be the legacy of the elder son telling where to find and how to transplant (or how to create) rinnegan.

So Madara basicly followed his great grandfathers wish and created / found rinnegan and transplanted them on Nagato.

In the beginning, perhaps he did it for test purposes, much like how Orochimaru transplanted 1sts dna to Yamato.

[Honord Sage]

I personally don't think its so6p's eyes, but it might be the eyes of his elder son who also had rinnegan. The elder son thought "power" was the key to the peace and he was The ancestor of Uchiha clan. So maybe the elder son left his eyes to his descendants so that they could use it to rule the world with "power". The transcripts left in the Uchiha sanctuary (which Madara talked about) might be the legacy of the elder son telling where to find and how to transplant (or how to create) rinnegan.

So Madara basicly followed his great grandfathers wish and created / found rinnegan and transplanted them on Nagato.

In the beginning, perhaps he did it for test purposes, much like how Orochimaru transplanted 1sts dna to Yamato.

Problem Madara was not born in the time of the SO6P nor the First Son that was hundred of years before Madara time.

[Michael92]

He saw a baby and thought. This one will have my Rinnegan which i have stored on a glass down in my basement...
Then he plucked out his eyes and inserted the Rinnegans. Nagato cried

[David1996]

i really dont know this is weird
So 2 Questions to solve this mystery

1. Where did he get the rinnegan from
2. when did he transplanted the rinnegan