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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Problem Madara was not born in the time of the SO6P nor the First Son that was hundred of years before Madara time.
    Huh, I never said or hint at any point that Madara lived during the time of so6p. Where did you get that idea ?

    Let me rephrase;

    What do we know from the manga ?
    - We know that the elder son of SO6P also had rinnegan, like his father.
    - Elder son was the creator and ancestor of Uchiha clan.
    - Madara (or Itachi) said there were ancient clan scrolls in Uchiha shrine, that can only be read by sharingan or rinnegan. (i remember one of them telling this to Sasuke)

    My theory: I'm thinking some of those scrolls were written by elder son of SO6P, because they were left to uchiha and he was their ancestor.
    In those Uchiha scrolls, Elder son told about how to create rinnegan OR where to find his very own eyes, possibly kept safely somewhere. And (obviously) centuries later Madara read those scrolls, then either found the eyes or learnt how to create rinnegan (he has a lab), then he transplanted them on Nagato to give it a test, much like how Orochimaru did on Yamato.
     
         
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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    the elder son didnt activate the rinnegan
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by David1996 View Post
    the elder son didnt activate the rinnegan
    We have seen three people with rinnegan. Sage of the six paths, his elder son and Nagato. Its well known fact that elder son inherited sage's eyes.

    Uchiha Clan Ancestor - Narutopedia, the Naruto Wiki
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    No Madara was talking shit.

    We clearly saw Nagato awaken his Rinnegan.

    Also Madara a lied about alot of things so this probably a trick to get Konan confused to drop her guard or something.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by ClanKiller View Post
    This IS the world of NARUTO we're speaking of so that could mean countless things like; Tobi could possibly be the Original Sharingan user that failed to obtain the SO6P's position or whatever they were fighting over, and by saying he's taking back what's his he could mean they should have been his in the 1st place, shit idk, anythings possible, he could be Nagato's Father for all we know.
    if you are implying he could be the older brother who the SO6P ignored and gave his position to the younger brother, then sadly you are incorrect. We saw pictures of the older and younger brother when Madara was talking to Naruto during the kage meeting. They looked nothing like Madara or Tobi, although that would be a cool story twist.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    he's liar, i think he lied about this, i think he lied to sasuke about itachi, and ithink he's lying about being madara. i think this guy, "madara," is a manipulator. he has knowledge on a lot of things, but as you find out with a lot of things in the manga most people know about them too we just don't. anyway he uses his knowledge to his advantange. i don't think we'll know everything about him until the end. i think he's the "final boss" in this story. anyway unless kishi has some major flaws in his story ( he could have just not told us too i suppose) then "madara" is lying. compare itachi's version of things to his, compare nagato's version of getting his eyes, think about what could possibly be a threat to him (when no one can hardly touch him) when kabuto shows him that final summon he pops up. just my opinion
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Narutofan123457 View Post
    if you are implying he could be the older brother who the SO6P ignored and gave his position to the younger brother, then sadly you are incorrect. We saw pictures of the older and younger brother when Madara was talking to Naruto during the kage meeting. They looked nothing like Madara or Tobi, although that would be a cool story twist.
    how does he not look like Tobi? he has a mask on?? lmao
    & i don't remember what he looked like??
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by maldoror View Post
    Huh, I never said or hint at any point that Madara lived during the time of so6p. Where did you get that idea ?

    Let me rephrase;

    What do we know from the manga ?
    - We know that the elder son of SO6P also had rinnegan, like his father.
    - Elder son was the creator and ancestor of Uchiha clan.
    - Madara (or Itachi) said there were ancient clan scrolls in Uchiha shrine, that can only be read by sharingan or rinnegan. (i remember one of them telling this to Sasuke)

    My theory: I'm thinking some of those scrolls were written by elder son of SO6P, because they were left to uchiha and he was their ancestor.
    In those Uchiha scrolls, Elder son told about how to create rinnegan OR where to find his very own eyes, possibly kept safely somewhere. And (obviously) centuries later Madara read those scrolls, then either found the eyes or learnt how to create rinnegan (he has a lab), then he transplanted them on Nagato to give it a test, much like how Orochimaru did on Yamato.
    Maintaining Viable DNA and organs is a modern thing the eyes of The SO6P and His First Son are lost to the world, dust. The eye resurfaces in people who have DNA from SO6P or His First Son, How Hard would it be for Madara to keep a list of possible Rinnegan owners and test them to see if He can bring the eye out. A recessive gene can become a dominant Gene under the right conditions.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    He might have literally given it to Nagato.
    He passed out when he first awakened it right?
    Perhaps Madara killed those men, and knocked Nagato out, and then perhaps inplanted the rinnegan.
    I can only speculate, but I believe Madara tells the truth, but just a part, not everything.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Madara transplanted Itachi Eye on Sasuke and Sasuke is still in bandages, How would Nagato not be in bandages if Madara transplanted them to Nagato? apple pie of doom. how can He have more advance surgery in the pass?
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Madara transplanted Itachi Eye on Sasuke and Sasuke is still in bandages, How would Nagato not be in bandages if Madara transplanted them to Nagato? apple pie of doom. how can He have more advance surgery in the pass?
    True. But it is possible that he was under genjutsu, staying unconscious during bandaged healing time, then thinking konoha ninjas killed his parents etc. when he woke up.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by maldoror View Post
    True. But it is possible that he was under genjutsu, staying unconscious during bandaged healing time, then thinking konoha ninjas killed his parents etc. when he woke up.
    Is most likely that Madara simply keep a list of possible descendant of people born with the gene and tested them over the years to see who would activate it under certain conditions. Madara could have ben doing this over 100 years until He hit the jackpot with Nagato.
     
         
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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Is most likely that Madara simply keep a list of possible descendant of people born with the gene and tested them over the years to see who would activate it under certain conditions. Madara could have ben doing this over 100 years until He hit the jackpot with Nagato.
    I like your thinking. I don't think Madara lied when he said that. Sure he's pure evil but why would he have to lie about such a thing. Unless he was just trying to fool Konan. But thats not really Madara's style. I don't know we'll just have to wait to find out!!
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by maldoror View Post
    We have seen three people with rinnegan. Sage of the six paths, his elder son and Nagato. Its well known fact that elder son inherited sage's eyes.

    Uchiha Clan Ancestor - Narutopedia, the Naruto Wiki
    Well you post this link , but you didn't even read it correctly and look at the image more carfully , it says they are SIMILAIR to the rinnengan . And look at the image It looks like a sharingan with a spiral pattern .
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    People have made good arguments, I want Madara to tell Konan what happened during the blackouts. I seriously doubt he implanted them physically given how long it's taking Sasuke to recover from Itachi's eyes. Also, I was under the impression that the Rinnegan was not a kekkei genkei. Thus if Nagato had a kid, it wouldn't have had the eyes like a Sharingan parent->child would've. I'm not sure, but I'm trying to think back to what Jiraiya said.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Madara transplanted Itachi Eye on Sasuke and Sasuke is still in bandages, How would Nagato not be in bandages if Madara transplanted them to Nagato? apple pie of doom. how can He have more advance surgery in the pass?
    Is'nt it obvious?
    Because Sasuke is an emo wimp of course :D
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    I realy like the fact that people are devided over this poll, 17lie vs 20true and I like the theory's about it being true aswell

    here is my vision on what some people said:

    like many people said, it might be possible that he helped nagato to get the rinnegan activated without nagato knowing it, like people said, by controling his environment. I myself see some possibility in that theory and would be willing to accept it as a possible option.

    others speak of madara transplanting the rinnegan to nagato during the first blackout, I see just 1 flaw in that, and it's on the page that I gave in my first post in this thread. nagato's rinnegan was active befor he passed out while he was charging those shinobi, meaning that if madara ever transplanted them to nagato he must have done it before this moment.
    I'm not saying that transplanting is not an option, all I'm saying is that it was done before all the flashbacks we saw from nagato's childhood with his parrents.


    personaly I'm still thinking madara was lying, I don't know to what purpose, but he has been lying a lot in this manga, one that I can remember is that he told a lie to sasuke when he said that the 9tails attack on konoha was a natural occurance and that he had nothing to do with it. while both naruto's father and mother said different things and that we clearly got to see madara summon the 9tails into konoha.
    not to mention, he is the badguy, aren't bad guys supposed to do things that are not honorable, like lying theyr teeth off

    but I love the response I'm getting to this discusion, it's all been solid, thanks a lot guys, keep it going
     
         
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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    The SO6P Eyes should be dust, if you pickle them even in alcohol or formaldehyde it damages the eyes, so they cannot be transplanted. Modern tech uses different ways to preserve organs for transplant stuff that did not exist in the SO6P time.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    but in this case(if madara is telling the truth) the eyes seem to be more like an item or relic then just mere body parts now.I for one don't believe that though because I'm sure we've seen rinnegan inactive which means they aren't implanted or they would remain active like Kakashi or Ao
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinchuuriki of Juubi View Post
    but in this case(if madara is telling the truth) the eyes seem to be more like an item or relic then just mere body parts now.I for one don't believe that though because I'm sure we've seen rinnegan inactive which means they aren't implanted or they would remain active like Kakashi or Ao
    I don't think we ever saw nagato with normal eye's, his hair was always in front of his eye's or we saw the rinnegan ripple pattern
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    He was obviously telling the truth.
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Imo It's just a lie. If it was truth why didnt he use it himself?
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoshigaki Kisame akatsuki View Post
    Imo It's just a lie. If it was truth why didnt he use it himself?
    reason says it all.
    it's clearly bs,(I know kishi will proof it's not bs in another way) but you gotta think bout this.

    WHY THE F* did he not used the rinnegan for him self then!!!

    And i know Kishi is going to put it in a way that Madara indeed gave the rinnegan to Nagato.

    Darn you kishi effing up the whole story
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    it was obviously a lie cuz we saw wen nagato was a boy wen he 1st unlock the reningan....unless madara implant the eyes in nagato at a babystate
     
         

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    Re: truth or lie about nagato's rinnegan

    If he lied about that. It could mean that the Rinnegan is the Uzumaki Kekki genkai!

    (Narutopedia actually lists the Rinnegan as the Uzumaki KG, although i think this is prematurely)
     
         

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