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    Bear can you give me a quick low down on EMS? Is it different than regular Mangekyou?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

    Epic chapter , thanks Mugi :D

    Quote Originally Posted by Bedtime Bear View Post
    It is prolly people closest to Sage of the Six paths. Sage of the six paths had all six paths powers within him, when he died, it got passed on to his sons, and shattered in the descendants of the two sons.

    Madara is Uchiha, descendant of the older brother.
    Hashirama is Senju, descendant of the younger brother.
    Nagato is Uzumaki, descendant of the younger brother.
    Naruto is Uzumaki too, descendant of the younger brother.
    Sasuke is Uchiha, descendant of the older brother.

    Maybe Itachi was one of the six paths as well, had the power of the Sage.
    And since Sasuke got Itachis eyes, he's prolly 4th and 5th of the Six paths.

    And Naruto is the 6th of the Six paths, 6th Hokage, 3rd Jinchuriki of the Kyuubi, 3rd Sage of Toads (? Based on the speculation of Yondaime Hokage being also a sage)

    3 Paths from the Older brothers side (Uchiha), 3 Paths from younger brothers side (Senju/Uzumaki)

    Madaras true goal is prolly to get all of the six paths power, and become the reincarnation of the Sage of the Six Paths.
    Now that i read this, I think is quite possible that the true goal of Madara is becoming the SO6P. Madara now has 3 paths (not counting Sasuke), so he will go now for Naruto.
    So if your theory is correct, that means that we know for sure, that there are 3 paths (Madara, Hashirama, Nagato) and 2 that can be paths (Sasuke and Naruto)... So is only one missing...

    Maybe is Itachi (Sasuke has his eyes, so Sasuke might have the power of two paths) because of his powers.... or maybe Tsunade (senju)...
     
         

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    Now madaras mouth is just as big mystery as kakashi mouth.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedtime Bear View Post
    Thats exactly what i just said earlier... scroll up.
    My bad...

    Although this did get me thinking bout Itachi's gift now...
    Madara just stated that his fight with Hashi was to obtain some of his power ..
    Itachi gave Naruto some of his power ..
    The Uzamaki clan is a close relative of the Senju clan.. Nagato who had rinnegan was an Uzamaki (now?!).. Madara obtained Senju power, And Naruto still has some Uchiha power (so far known only to Naruto) from Itachi
    I am not implying that Naruto will be able to use sharingan techs like Izanagi, but perhaps Itachi knew more about Madara than Madara thought and has set Naruto up to be on more equal terms with Madara, somehow knowing that combining the 2 bloodlines (powers) a more complete being will evolve.
    IDK just babbling..
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedtime Bear View Post
    Now madaras mouth is just as big mystery as kakashi mouth.
    Yeah lol
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryhwks View Post
    OK now is there anyone who doesn't believe Madara will be the final ultimate villain & either Naruto beats him on his own or Naruto & Sasuke beat Madara together i think it may take both because Madara is like unkillable i mean it's almost impossible to hit him in the 1st place & now he can save his ass anytime with Izanagi so i think it will take a team effort to beat him.
    Well it looks like Madara may have lost his sight in his left sharingan from using Izanagi. Even if he did it may not matter since he'll soon have the rinnegan for his eyes. Apparently with the rinnegan it won't matter how much he uses Izanagi since the SO6P used it to create the tailed beasts, the senju, and the Uchiha.
     
         

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    Half of Madara's face is as mysterious as Kakashi's mouth. haha
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamster33 View Post
    Bear can you give me a quick low down on EMS? Is it different than regular Mangekyou?
    Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. It's just supposed to be the transplanted Sharingan eyes into another person.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTDogg220 View Post
    Well it looks like Madara may have lost his sight in his left sharingan from using Izanagi. Even if he did it may not matter since he'll soon have the rinnegan for his eyes. Apparently with the rinnegan it won't matter how much he uses Izanagi since the SO6P used it to create the tailed beasts, the senju, and the Uchiha.
    Wasn't the SO6P's Rinnegan a bit more than what Nagato's was? It had more in the eye.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTDogg220 View Post
    Well it looks like Madara may have lost his sight in his left sharingan from using Izanagi. Even if he did it may not matter since he'll soon have the rinnegan for his eyes. Apparently with the rinnegan it won't matter how much he uses Izanagi since the SO6P used it to create the tailed beasts, the senju, and the Uchiha.
    He has hundreds of other sharingans he can simply implant.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

    Yea this chapter was good. But it felt either really short or something. I was hoping to see him with a Jyuubi eye like in the spoilers there was a fake pic. But it is interesting getting to see both of his eyes...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    It could be black because of the shadow of the mask.. I have stopped thinking too much, it just gets confusing all the time.. What I am curious about is how he uses Izanagi and how is it different from Danzo's? He lost the sight of his Sharingan so it means he must have a stock of it somewhere.. I guess Danzo could only use it for 60 seconds wonder with Madara and a complete Izanagi how long does it lasts?
    I forget which chapter it was, but there was a scene where Madara was shown to be in a secret lab that had jars of sharingan eyes on the wall. I wonder if he keeps them as spares so that he can use Izanagi over and over again. Perhaps he used Izanagi to survive being hit with Amaterasu when he was alone with Sasuke after his battle with Itachi. I also wonder how/where Madara got all those extra sharingan eyes - perhaps that is why he wanted the Uchiha clan massacred? So he could collect their eyes to have as spares?

    It's also reasonable to surmise that a complete Izanagi lasts much longer than the one Danzo used.

    I also wonder just what powers Madara obtained from his battle with Hashirama. Perhaps his space-time powers, since it Minato stated that the 2nd Hokage (a Senju) had space-time abilities?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flvtist View Post
    I forget which chapter it was, but there was a scene where Madara was shown to be in a secret lab that had jars of sharingan eyes on the wall. I wonder if he keeps them as spares so that he can use Izanagi over and over again. Perhaps he used Izanagi to survive being hit with Amaterasu when he was alone with Sasuke after his battle with Itachi. I also wonder how/where Madara got all those extra sharingan eyes - perhaps that is why he wanted the Uchiha clan massacred? So he could collect their eyes to have as spares?

    It's also reasonable to surmise that a complete Izanagi lasts much longer than the one Danzo used.

    I also wonder just what powers Madara obtained from his battle with Hashirama. Perhaps his space-time powers, since it Minato stated that the 2nd Hokage (a Senju) had space-time abilities?
    I could see that...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

    Great chapter, we finally see Madara's left eye and now know that he has access to all of the first's abilities, but we still don't see his whole face? Whats with that? Clearly the whole truth is not completely revealed still.

    I agreed with an earlier post on a past chapter that Madara used izangi to live through the battle with the first. If that were true, there must have been more to izangi than what was revealed by Danzo's use of it. Clearly Danzo could not use it to its full extent, which Madara just confirmed this chapter. But if thats true, than Madara must be able to surpass the effects of izangi by implanting a new sharingan. Guess thats kinda cheating, but i guess the technique forever closes that particular eye, but if the eye is switched maybe it can be used again.

    We also find that Izangi can only be used by someone with senju and uchiha powers, guess we won't be seeing sasuke using it on naruto

    But maybe Yamato can borrow some Sharingans from Madara and start using Izangi himself
     
         

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    I wonder after all this. What's Madara's next move? Killer Bee and Naruto are well guarded, so there's no chance that Madara get's Kirabi. Probably he will show us some new recuits for Akatsuki, and start the war. Or Kishi will show us some Killer Bee training Naruto how to use the Beast's powers. Probably he will tell Naruto that be aware of Sasuke's illusions and that he can use the Kyubii to break free from it, and alots of lecturing explaining of things.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

    Well I think everyone might be overthinking this 6 path stuff and relating it to characters afterall...Nagato is dead how can he be a path.

    The 6 paths IMO are 5 being elements and an unknown 6th that Naruto must find if it was people why would there be 6 yin yang symbols around Rikoudo sennins + Narutos neck?

    I believe that if Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan it means either he cant use it because hes a descendant of the older brother and maybe...forbidden by some jutsu the SO6P put on the eyes or if you're an eye user i.e. Sharingan, Byakugan you cant replace your eyes for anothe eye tech so Sharingan cant get Byakugan ect.

    Also we know because its expected at some point in the manga Bee's Hacibi will be taken and at some point the Kyuubi too, which we know Naruto will survive, the reason we know this is because Naruto HAS to fight the Juubi to prove he is the SO6P as only he can defeat/control it. But there are still a LOT of things to be uncovered.

    1. What is the rest of the message SO6P left on the tablet under the Uchiha house ( we know that the Rinnegan is required to read this)
    2. Who will possess the new Rinnegan ( I believe Naruto at some point this tying in with the message and him discovering the 6th path )
    3. Who will fight and seal the Juubi in Madara ( again I believe Naruto )
    4. How is Sasuke tied to Madara's plan ( bar him saying that he and Naruto are destined to fight like Senju and him because of the older/younger brother fate, but as he stated in the manga he just used that as an opportunity to get his techniques so I believe Sasuke is going to be used as leverage i.e. hostage to complete steps 2, 3.
    5. If the 6 paths are the elements what is the 6th ( this maybe the message on the tablet)
    6. How will the Kyuubi get sealed if there is only HALF the chakra in Naruto
    7. Will Naruto have to go into the dead demon seal realm to retrieve the rest and free everyone elses souls including Minato's

    any thoughts on my ideas?
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

    He dint lose his left eye! as we saw in danzou and sasuke fight, whenever danzou used izangi his one sharigan closes completely! but here madara's sharingan just got deactivate! :P
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamster33 View Post
    If Sasuke is a 6 paths then why hasn't Madara already killed him? I guess, maybe, it's because he can still use him temporarily?
    Yes,my thoughts exactly. Also I think he needs to awaken something in himself, like Naruto has with the SO6P.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedtime Bear View Post
    It is prolly people closest to Sage of the Six paths. Sage of the six paths had all six paths powers within him, when he died, it got passed on to his sons, and shattered in the descendants of the two sons.

    Madara is Uchiha, descendant of the older brother.
    Hashirama is Senju, descendant of the younger brother.
    Nagato is Uzumaki, descendant of the younger brother.
    Naruto is Uzumaki too, descendant of the younger brother.
    Sasuke is Uchiha, descendant of the older brother.

    Maybe Itachi was one of the six paths as well, had the power of the Sage.
    And since Sasuke got Itachis eyes, he's prolly 4th and 5th of the Six paths.

    And Naruto is the 6th of the Six paths, 6th Hokage, 3rd Jinchuriki of the Kyuubi, 3rd Sage of Toads (? Based on the speculation of Yondaime Hokage being also a sage)

    3 Paths from the Older brothers side (Uchiha), 3 Paths from younger brothers side (Senju/Uzumaki)

    Madaras true goal is prolly to get all of the six paths power, and become the reincarnation of the Sage of the Six Paths.
    How about this for a theory for the six paths all of urs but i don't think itachi was the sixth i think tsunade is ! She is the only sanin left and why as she is a massive plot device it also fits her grandfather was the 1st so any thoughts on this ?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiLaRule View Post
    Wow, so you needed the Senju's powers and Uchiha's powers to complete Izanagi. So Madara has a Completed EMS. Madara is smart, as he was mensioning you got to think for the future, not just end it right here, I haz evil plans. Nagato was the Third of the Sixth Paths. the second one then Madara, and the first is Hashimara. Alots of information was in this chapter, it answered alot of questions, historically, and functions of Izanagi. I'm not sure why did Konan do that rainbow, in the middle of a fight with the true mastermind.
    Well, Nagato Still had a smile on his face.
    As I was reading the chapters, it seemed like another personality of Madara jumped in, something more evilish, and filled with more darkness. [/url]
    What do you guys think.
    Ya the text is different which implies, at a minimum, a change in expression and intensity.

    Clearly, Madara is sick of this so called 'hope' everyone has been babbling about. He was, and still is, beyond pissed that Naruto was able to turn Nagato. And seeing little miss sunshine clinging to that hope to the very end really grinded his gears.

    As Itachi said so eloquently, Madara is not only a shell of his former self, but also the biggest sore looser one could imagine. He knows that now is his time and he won't stand for any false hope in the form of resistance.
     
         

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