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    Bermuda Triangle

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    I've been reading alot lately about the Bermuda Triangle and the people that have gone missing near the Bermuda Triangle.
    What do you guys think about it?
    If it's real or not?
     
         

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    I've heard stories...
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Eh, I just think it's a place that messes up navigation systems, and causes ships, planes, etc. to get lost because of that. I don't believe in the supernatural
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Its the most mysterious thing ever
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    I just know about this now, can you explain more please?
     
         

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    You know why things in the bermuda triangle dissapear without leaving a trace? Well, its obvious, itachi seals them inside totsuka blade
     
         

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    Is it real? Yes, the question is why does all that happen there.

    The main excuse is that the radar goes offline in the area due to something (Can't remember)
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Some say that's where Kim Kardashians vajay goes to feed and slumber.

    It's real but nobody knows what goes on around there cause if you get too close bad things happen.
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    Is it real? Yes, the question is why does all that happen there.

    The main excuse is that the radar goes offline in the area due to something (Can't remember)
    due to massive magnet force .
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    There is Lukedonia situated in that area.#manhwafax.
     
         

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    Sea monster eats them
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    It's clearly the work of the Akatsuki, Obito and Kamui, Madara and Kaguya
     
         

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    Itachi is there.

    Soloing every plane/ship in sight.
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Quote Originally Posted by uchiha clan ems View Post
    I just know about this now, can you explain more please?
    It's a location if you go in , you never come back out , google it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    Is it real? Yes, the question is why does all that happen there.

    The main excuse is that the radar goes offline in the area due to something (Can't remember)
    Yeah i heard somethin' about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by YeezyNHova View Post
    Some say that's where Kim Kardashians vajay goes to feed and slumber.

    It's real but nobody knows what goes on around there cause if you get too close bad things happen.
    Lmao i heard i heard lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Klăd View Post
    due to massive magnet force .
    So they say.
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    It's thought that there is some super magnetic force that makes the radar go wild, but I'll go all Merica in this shit and say
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Several ships cross the Bermuda Triangle every day without disappearing, it's a misconception that EVERYTHING that passe through there disappears. Not the case. People have disappeared in other places as well, Bermuda Triangle isn't anything amazingly special. Mysterious, but not as big as people make it out to be.
     
         

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    Re: Bermuda Triangle

    Smh because It's not BT but Lukedonia.

    Seriously though, there are many theories but I when I was in school, my teacher went for the geographical one and similar explanations I found on net:

    The Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf Stream.

    The currents throughout the Bermuda Triangle are affected by the warm Gulf Stream. This current flows in a north easterly direction from the tip of Florida, up the Eastern seaboard to The saint Lawrence Seaway and then roughly across the Atlantic toward the United Kingdom. The current divides the Cold waters of the North Atlantic from the hot water of the Sargasso Sea. The current accounts for the London Fog as well as the temperate climate of Europe. Much of Europe is as far north as Canada, yet the climate tends to be more moderate, all because of this Gulf Stream.

    The current is strong and small boats in the area that are not familiar with it (the Snow Birds and other Vacationers as well as new sailors) can easily be pushed off-course. The reason is that the current is continuously pushing the boat north and east of Florida and the Bahamas. In the area of the Florida straits (the narrow channel separating Florida and the Bahamas) the current is always swift, turbulent and traveling almost straight north! Debris form ships that have sunk in the Straights of Florida (as well as notes in bottles, and pollution) have been found all the way on the other side of the Atlantic because of the force that this current possesses.

    What this means: Boats go into the area an assume they are traveling in an easterly direction when in fact they are traveling east-north east. If the boat is going a short distance the problem can be corrected by simply watching the shoreline or other familair landmarks. If the boat is going out a long distance these landmarks become lost beyond the horizon. To further exaberate the problem the further the boat goes out the more off course it becomes.

    To make matter worse, when the boat turns around and heads due west on its return route, it is still being pushed northeast. Anyone who has tried to paddle a canoe upstream realizes that it takes longer to go upstream than down stream. The same is true when fighting a tide. Furthermore the current is still pushing you north so even if you compensate for the outward motion of the gulf stream you can still wind up several miles north of your destination unless you are a very good sailor

    (see map)

    To compound the problem, the Captain of the craft will probably "May Day" where he should be according to the route he thought he took, without making any compensation for the drift of the Gulf stream, complicating any Search-and-Rescue mission


    The Ocean Floor

    The North-American Continental Shelf explains the wonderful blue water of the Caribbean. In many places throughout the Caribbean Islands when flying over the shelf it is possible to see large objects submerged several feet under the water. It's a splendid sight and it would make it seem that finding a lost plane submerged in these parts quite easy, especially in this day of Black Boxes (Flight Data Recorders, Cockpit Voice Recorders and Emergency Locator Transmitter).

    While the Big Jets have all sorts of tracking gear, Small Aircraft only have the Emergency Lacator Transmitter Unfortunately, the Black boxes don't work very well when they are submerged. Also, when the sandy bottom of the ocean floor is disturbed it can often cause the sand to lift up into a cloud and resettle on top of whatever disturbed it. To make matters worse, if a boat has capsized it may go completely unnoticed by all but the most sophisticated sonar equipment.

    But these are only minor perils when it comes to searching for sunken craft in the Triangle. The real peril is that while many people have snorkeled in the wonderful shallow areas of the Caribbean, few have gone just a few miles away from these shallow areas where the continental shelf gives way to the ocean floor! Suddenly, within a matter of miles, what was once water only a couple hundred feet deep begins an ocean thousands of feet deep. About 100 miles north of Puerto Rico is the deepest part of the Atlantic Ocean: the Puerto Rico Trench, estimated at 30,100 ft (9200 meters) deep. The Florida Straits, between Miami and the Bahamas at around 5,000 or so feet deep. This is the shallow water where so many planes and boats have disappeared with out a trace. The 120 mile distance between the Grand Bahamas from New Providence lies the North East Providence Channel which has a depth of ranging between 6,000 and 12,000 feet (2,000-4,000 meters).

    The Channel is at the tip of the basin which spreads out covering much of the ocean floor from Miami and the Bahamas out to Bermuda. This basin is ap proximately 18,000 feet (6,000 meters) deep.

    Contrary to the Bermuda triangle legend, the water of the islands is quite deep and turbulent.

    The North Pole.

    This information is currently a rough estimate. However, the information is critical to understanding some of the reports of strange compass readings in the triangle. As more information is made available to me, I will update this information.

    There are three north poles, Magnetic, Grid, and True or Celestial North.

    True North True north is determined by Polaris, the North Star. It can be found using the Ursa Major (Big Dipper) and Ursa Minor (Little Dipper). To find it, line up the two stars at the end of the dipper and draw an imaginary line out to the last star in Ursa Minor. This is Polaris.

    Grid North is the real North Pole, at 90 degrees latitude. It is the North Pole according to maps and globes. Because Polaris is not directly above Grid North, the two sometimes differ.

    Magnetic North

    Magnetic North is where compasses point and is several thousand miles from the Grid North. It is located somewhere north of one of the Baffin Islands in the Hudson Bay. If you look at most globes, you can find a little (x) with the label (Magnetic North) marking this location.

    This is the answer to many of the strange compass readings that have been discussed when crossing the Atlantic. Columbus was one of the first Navigators to recognize that True North and Magnetic North were not the same thing, and he noted this in his log. He also surmised, correctly, 500 years ago, that the compass must point to something other than the North Pole.

    There are only two longitudes in the world where Magnetic and Grid, or Magnetic, and True North align. These location are near the center of Europe and near the eastern part of the United States.

    At the tip of Portugal the difference between Magnetic and Grid North is about four degrees. As you travel west across the Atlantic, the difference between Magnetic and Grid North begins to increase. This difference can get as much as 22 degrees. This increase continues until you reach the middle of the Atlantic and the Sargasso Sea, and then slowly Grid and Magnetic begin to realign so that by the time you reach the southern tip of Florida the two are only one and a half degrees different. To get an idea of how Grid, True, and Magnetic Norths differ, go to any large library with a good map collection and ask to see the USGS 1:24,000 maps for your home town, a map for Washington State, New York State, and Kansas. On the bottom of the map will be a small diagram showing the differences between the three Norths.


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    Christopher Columbus
    Three items are usually mentioned about Columbus and the Bermuda Triangle: the strange occurrence in the Sargasso Sea, the way his compasses acted up, and the strange lights he saw in the Indies.

    First let's point out that Columbus was an excellent sailor and Captain, and despite several discussions of mutinies, none were attempted. His crew trusted his abilities. The main concern of his crew was the lack of land and the thought of running out of food and water on the journey. They had no idea how long they would be at sea, other than the calculations of the Earth's circumference, according to Columbus.

    There were two different circumferences of the Earth believed at this time. These estimates existed from as early as ancient Egypt. The basic way the circumference was figured out was by measuring the distance to the horizon from two different elevations (sea level and another height), and then using basic geometry determining the curvature of the circle.

    No one with any education truly believed the earth was flat. Columbus believed the Earth to be about 15,000 miles in circumference; the shore of Asia should be reachable across the Atlantic. Most navigators used 25,000 miles, and believed the trip was impossible simply because it wasn't possible to carry provisions for such a long trip.

    Further mor emost Sailors liked to sail close to land in order to pick up provisions and fresh water. The open sea was feared and respected because of stormy weather conditions.

    As Columbus went further out to sea, he ran into the Sargasso. The sea was a puzzle to him mainly because of the number of sea birds in the area; while usually a sign of land, no land was in sight. This was a major disappointment to Columbus and his crew and he made a special note of it for future voyages. (More as warning to future travelers not to expect land fall than because of alien visitors.)

    Later, as he went further west into the Atlantic, he noticed that the compass needle was acting up: the compass' North was not lining up with True (Celestial) North. Again he made a note of it, but didn't tell his superstitious crew. When others noticed the difference, Columbus informed them that he had made note of it, but it was not a major problem. He reasoned that the compass probably pointed to something other than True North.

    This, of course, has been proven to be true. Magnetic North is currently near Prince of Wales Island, half way between the Hudson Bay and the Geographic North Pole.

    Columbus and crew also spotted a meteor hitting the water. The crew was not puzzled by it, however, as it was not that uncommon to see shooting stars and the like. The meteor was noted in Columbus' log mainly because of the size. This occurred outside the boundaries of the Triangle.

    Columbus also logged a report of seeing lights in the distance, on October 11. He called for one of his men, who also saw the light. When a third man finally came, the light had vanished.

    By this time, the crew, while not mutinous, was calling for the ship to turn around. Columbus wrote that if land fall was not made within f ew days, he would turn around. There was a reward for the first man to spot land and several bad sightings were made.

    There were visible signs, such as land birds or plants floating in the water, but no land was sighted. On several occasions, low clouds had been mistaken for land. Columbus issued an order that any false sighting would lead to a forfeiture of reward, because of the effect they were having on the crew.

    The light Columbus had seen on the night of Oct 11 was probably from Man Island near Hispanola or from Hispanola itself. He failed to wake the crew because he did not want to report yet another false sighting. Four hours later, Rodrigo de Triana, aboard the Pinta, signaled land-in-sight. Land was spotted in the vicinity of where the light had been seen.


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    The Biggest Mystery, Flight 19
    Flight 19. The disappearance of Five Avenger Torpedo bombers.


    The Myth.
    On a clear day five Navy Avengers of flight 19 took off for a routine mission. The experienced crew had a route that would take them 160 miles east, 40 miles north and the 120 miles straight back to base. The planes were suppose to carry three man crews, but one crew member failed to show. Perhaps it was just coincidence, or was it premonition? The planes had done their required preflight test and every thing checked out in good working order. It was a routine two hour mission but the planes were still fully fueled. The planes had extensive radio equipment to include ten different radio channels and homing devices that would show them the way home. The first message that came from the patrol came in at 15:45: "Control tower this is an emergency. We seem to be off course. We seem to be lost. We can't make out where we are." The tower said "Head due west", but the flight did not know which way West was. "Everything looks wrong, even the ocean looks strange". The tower was puzzled; even if the compasses were not working, the crew should have been able to fly west by following the sun (which was several hours from setting). Finally around 16:25, the flight leader announced "We're not certain where we are. We must be 225 North east of base...it looks like we are..." and then silence. A Martin Mariner flight-boat with a crew of 13 took off to look for Flight 19. The Mariner sent several routine messages back to base before it, too, disappeared in the region where Flight 19 was thought to be. At 19:04, the last message from Flight 19 was received at base. It was only a faint message which repeated the letters FT FT, the call letters of Flight 19. The search for the planes continued for weeks, and even today the U.S. Navy has a standing order for crews to keep a look out for Flight 19. The military experts were completely baffled--how could 27 men and six planes just disappear? If the Avengers would have run out of fuel, the planes would have floated long enough for the crews to get out and onto their rafts. The men were well-trained in sea survival. The official Navy report stated that the planes had vanished "as if they had flown to Mars"

    The truth:

    Fact 1: Only the Patrol Leader Lt . Charles Taylor was an experienced pilot, and he had only recently been transferred to the US Naval Air Station in Fort Lauderdale. The other pilots, and all but one crew member were trainees.

    Fact 2: The patrol was to conduct a low-level bo mbing mission at Hens and Chickens Shoal south of the Grand Bahamas. Lt. Taylor tried to get out of doing the flight, most likely because he was hung over.( He had been at a party the night before.) No one else in the duty rotation felt like switching with him.

    Fact 3: Soon after taking off, Taylor's compass went out, but he decided to fly by "dead reckoning" and "Pilotage".

    Fact 4: Taylor got screwed up because of his dead reckoning flying. He was not wearing a watch (something that has been assumed because he was always asking his crew what time it was). After several minutes of flying in circles, he saw a land mark that he thought he recognized. Taylor lived in the Florida Keys, and he mistakenly identified an island of the Bahamas as the island he lived on. He then issued an order for the flight to fly due North until they hit the mainland of Florida. It was getting late and the weather had been getting progressively worse. After about an hour of flying north and not hitting the mainland, Taylor issued an order to fly east. He assumed that they were now over the Gulf of Mexico.

    In fact, the flight had been flying north along the Atlantic coastline. When they decided to fly east, they started heading farther out into the Atlantic ocean.

    Fact 5: Flight 19 was in continuous contact with Base throughout the flight, up to this time, and the tower was aware that Taylor was flying without a compass. They asked Taylor to switch over to the emergency radio channel, but Taylor refused because one of his planes had a faulty receiver and he was afraid that if he changed frequencies he would lose contact with the plane. The weather was now a major storm; visibility was poor.

    Fact 6: Because of Taylor's refusal to switch to the emergency channel, Fort Lauderdale was picking up a lot of static on the line. It was also hard for the other radio stations along the coast to get a good fix on Flight 19. If Taylor had switched to the emergency channel, a fix could have been made almost immediately.

    Fact 7: It was raining: the weather was not clear and the sun could not be seen.

    Fact 8: A fix was made on the planes which put them around three hundred miles east of Jacksonville, Florida. When Taylor had thought he was lost, he was actually on course. If one were to back-track his flight plan from the point of where he thought he was lost, you will end up just South of the Bahamas.

    Fact 9: Several of the crew members were heard informing Taylor that if they headed West, they'd hit Florida. Because of their adherence to military discipline, they followed their leader.

    Fact 10: Fort Lauderdale sent vseveral messages to Flight 19. The flight was unable to receive the messages because of their distance from Lauderdale and all the interference from other radio traffic. If Taylor had switched to the emergency channel several other station could have contacted him. The other coastal stations id not have the frequencies necessary to contact Taylor's group.

    Fact 11: The Mariner was not the only plane dispatched to search for Flight 19. It was the only one that blew up, almost on take off. The explosion was witnessed by several people and an oil slick and debris were found. The Mariners was notorious for having fuel leaks and were known as "flying gas tanks"; it exploded 23 minutes after take off, in the exact location were it should have been.

    Fact 12: Avengers may float for up to two minutes, if you're lucky, make a perfect water landing, and the sea is calm. You might be able to get out of the plane if the sea is calm, you are uninjured from the crash (you don't land an Avenger like you would a sea-plane) and there is light. Ditching in the sea is dangerous even under ideal conditions. Flight 19 was flying in a rainstorm at night, over rough seas, with pilots who had no experience at ditching a plane; they were students. The planes would have sunk like rocks if they ran out of fuel and had to ditch. It is doubtful from the last few radio messages, that the planes decided to ditch together.

    Fact 13: It is common practice, upon the termination of any naval search, to conclude by stating that travelers in the area should remain on the alert. This order is never cancelled because it is part of termination orders. The Navy is not expecting to find Flight 19.

    Fact 14: The planes had flown far enough out to sea to have placed them off of the Continental Shelf. They were no longer flying over the shallow Caribbean water, but over water thousands instead of hundreds of feet deep. It is difficult to find sunken debris in such deep water.

    You decide. Is this a good story to tell around the camp fire or this a mystery that remains unsolved?

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    The Mary Celeste
    The Bermuda Triangle wouldn't be complete without a story on the Mary Celeste. It was a 103 foot Brigatine displacing 282 tons. It was found, floating and completely abandoned, by the crew of the Dei Gratia on December 4, 1872. Both ships had taken on cargo in New York the previous month. The Mary Celeste was sailing for Genoa on November 7, and the Dei Gratia was to head-out a week later for Gibraltar. The Dei Gratia sighted the ship sailing erratically. When the Captain went to investigate, he found that the only life boat had been launched, yet the ship was in perfect shape, with sails set. Numerous stories about the Celeste abound; the stories cover everything from bloody swords under the Captain's bed to strange vortices sucking off the crew, to an underground world.


    The Facts
    Fact 1: The ship was never in the Triangle. Its course was well north of the Triangle and it was found drifting by the Dei Gratia between the Azores and Portugal.

    Fact 2: The ship had taken on some water and the Dei Gratia had run into several winter storms on the way across the Atlantic. It is reasonable to assume the same of the Mary Celeste. Most likely the crew launched the life boat, fearing the ship would sink and then were probably lost at sea in the life boat. It wouldn't be the first or last time that a ship was abandoned in rough water only NOT to sink.

    Fact 3: Did I mention that this didn't even happen in the Bermuda Triangle. Several of the incidents claimed of the Triangle occurred somewhere else in the world, some as far away as the Indian Ocean.


    http://huisam08.150m.com/SoHo_P5/Bemuda2.htm#floor

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    Now these are good questions. Why not somewhere else? Well actually the originators of the Bermuda Triangle have decided to have the instances occur in other places. In fact they have drawn a system of triangles world wide which are suppose to be magic beacons or corridors or vortices for extra-terrestrial or other strange mysterious powers.

    Now these little gateways are suppose to be equally placed all over the planet but here's the funny thing about them. The accidents don't actually happen at the actual spot where the beacons are located. They just happen nearby.

    How nearby, you might ask. Well that's easy. You just pick an accident and then look to see which triangle it is closest to, and you assign it to that triangle. It doesn't matter if it happened 5 kilmeters away or 2000 kilometers away. All that matters is that it was an accident. This allows every strange accident, no matter where it occurs to be related in some way to a triangle similar to the Bermuda Triangle. Now that you know this, I advise you to lock your doors and windows and hide under your bed so you're not sucked into some space-time continuum. You've been warned.

    The area of the Bermuda Triangle is one of the most popular tourist locations in the world. It is also just to the north of where virtually all the hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean form. Combine this with some of the deepest waters in the Atlantic and the Gulf Stream and you've got some interesting weather/ocean patterns.

    When you have that many people traveling in such a volatile area, things are going to happen. With improved weather tracking and better navigational aids, the area has become much safer but weather and ocean currents can still be murder in the area.

    Of course the first part of your question was why would people just make this stuff up? The answer is simple. MONEY. People eat this stuff up. It is popularized in movies like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "ET", and of course the "X Files" and "Roswell".

    It is so easy for the myth makers to prove that the stuff is real because they discount any actual evidence to the contrary as just people trying to cover up the truth. The more they perpetuate the myth, the more money they make. If you refuse to accept the obvious answers that nature provides and science documents, then it is easy for the pseudo-scientists to rake in the dough on yet another hair-brained theory that overlooks the obvious.


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    Next door neighbor is from bermuda and his brother went out to fish and never came back.... no storms, was very experienced fisherman so knew about all the reefs and currents, had plenty of supplies for a day and had a family to support. No there is no reason why he would just disappear. Not only that it has happened to multiple people throughout history. So is it a mere legend? If so then it must befounded in some sort of fact?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ira View Post
    Smh because It's not BT but Lukedonia.

    Seriously though, there are many theories but I when I was in school, my teacher went for the geographical one and similar explanations I found on net:

    The Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf Stream.

    The currents throughout the Bermuda Triangle are affected by the warm Gulf Stream. This current flows in a north easterly direction from the tip of Florida, up the Eastern seaboard to The saint Lawrence Seaway and then roughly across the Atlantic toward the United Kingdom. The current divides the Cold waters of the North Atlantic from the hot water of the Sargasso Sea. The current accounts for the London Fog as well as the temperate climate of Europe. Much of Europe is as far north as Canada, yet the climate tends to be more moderate, all because of this Gulf Stream.

    The current is strong and small boats in the area that are not familiar with it (the Snow Birds and other Vacationers as well as new sailors) can easily be pushed off-course. The reason is that the current is continuously pushing the boat north and east of Florida and the Bahamas. In the area of the Florida straits (the narrow channel separating Florida and the Bahamas) the current is always swift, turbulent and traveling almost straight north! Debris form ships that have sunk in the Straights of Florida (as well as notes in bottles, and pollution) have been found all the way on the other side of the Atlantic because of the force that this current possesses.

    What this means: Boats go into the area an assume they are traveling in an easterly direction when in fact they are traveling east-north east. If the boat is going a short distance the problem can be corrected by simply watching the shoreline or other familair landmarks. If the boat is going out a long distance these landmarks become lost beyond the horizon. To further exaberate the problem the further the boat goes out the more off course it becomes.

    To make matter worse, when the boat turns around and heads due west on its return route, it is still being pushed northeast. Anyone who has tried to paddle a canoe upstream realizes that it takes longer to go upstream than down stream. The same is true when fighting a tide. Furthermore the current is still pushing you north so even if you compensate for the outward motion of the gulf stream you can still wind up several miles north of your destination unless you are a very good sailor

    (see map)

    To compound the problem, the Captain of the craft will probably "May Day" where he should be according to the route he thought he took, without making any compensation for the drift of the Gulf stream, complicating any Search-and-Rescue mission


    The Ocean Floor

    The North-American Continental Shelf explains the wonderful blue water of the Caribbean. In many places throughout the Caribbean Islands when flying over the shelf it is possible to see large objects submerged several feet under the water. It's a splendid sight and it would make it seem that finding a lost plane submerged in these parts quite easy, especially in this day of Black Boxes (Flight Data Recorders, Cockpit Voice Recorders and Emergency Locator Transmitter).

    While the Big Jets have all sorts of tracking gear, Small Aircraft only have the Emergency Lacator Transmitter Unfortunately, the Black boxes don't work very well when they are submerged. Also, when the sandy bottom of the ocean floor is disturbed it can often cause the sand to lift up into a cloud and resettle on top of whatever disturbed it. To make matters worse, if a boat has capsized it may go completely unnoticed by all but the most sophisticated sonar equipment.

    But these are only minor perils when it comes to searching for sunken craft in the Triangle. The real peril is that while many people have snorkeled in the wonderful shallow areas of the Caribbean, few have gone just a few miles away from these shallow areas where the continental shelf gives way to the ocean floor! Suddenly, within a matter of miles, what was once water only a couple hundred feet deep begins an ocean thousands of feet deep. About 100 miles north of Puerto Rico is the deepest part of the Atlantic Ocean: the Puerto Rico Trench, estimated at 30,100 ft (9200 meters) deep. The Florida Straits, between Miami and the Bahamas at around 5,000 or so feet deep. This is the shallow water where so many planes and boats have disappeared with out a trace. The 120 mile distance between the Grand Bahamas from New Providence lies the North East Providence Channel which has a depth of ranging between 6,000 and 12,000 feet (2,000-4,000 meters).

    The Channel is at the tip of the basin which spreads out covering much of the ocean floor from Miami and the Bahamas out to Bermuda. This basin is ap proximately 18,000 feet (6,000 meters) deep.

    Contrary to the Bermuda triangle legend, the water of the islands is quite deep and turbulent.

    The North Pole.

    This information is currently a rough estimate. However, the information is critical to understanding some of the reports of strange compass readings in the triangle. As more information is made available to me, I will update this information.

    There are three north poles, Magnetic, Grid, and True or Celestial North.

    True North True north is determined by Polaris, the North Star. It can be found using the Ursa Major (Big Dipper) and Ursa Minor (Little Dipper). To find it, line up the two stars at the end of the dipper and draw an imaginary line out to the last star in Ursa Minor. This is Polaris.

    Grid North is the real North Pole, at 90 degrees latitude. It is the North Pole according to maps and globes. Because Polaris is not directly above Grid North, the two sometimes differ.

    Magnetic North

    Magnetic North is where compasses point and is several thousand miles from the Grid North. It is located somewhere north of one of the Baffin Islands in the Hudson Bay. If you look at most globes, you can find a little (x) with the label (Magnetic North) marking this location.

    This is the answer to many of the strange compass readings that have been discussed when crossing the Atlantic. Columbus was one of the first Navigators to recognize that True North and Magnetic North were not the same thing, and he noted this in his log. He also surmised, correctly, 500 years ago, that the compass must point to something other than the North Pole.

    There are only two longitudes in the world where Magnetic and Grid, or Magnetic, and True North align. These location are near the center of Europe and near the eastern part of the United States.

    At the tip of Portugal the difference between Magnetic and Grid North is about four degrees. As you travel west across the Atlantic, the difference between Magnetic and Grid North begins to increase. This difference can get as much as 22 degrees. This increase continues until you reach the middle of the Atlantic and the Sargasso Sea, and then slowly Grid and Magnetic begin to realign so that by the time you reach the southern tip of Florida the two are only one and a half degrees different. To get an idea of how Grid, True, and Magnetic Norths differ, go to any large library with a good map collection and ask to see the USGS 1:24,000 maps for your home town, a map for Washington State, New York State, and Kansas. On the bottom of the map will be a small diagram showing the differences between the three Norths.


    History Lesson


    Christopher Columbus
    Three items are usually mentioned about Columbus and the Bermuda Triangle: the strange occurrence in the Sargasso Sea, the way his compasses acted up, and the strange lights he saw in the Indies.

    First let's point out that Columbus was an excellent sailor and Captain, and despite several discussions of mutinies, none were attempted. His crew trusted his abilities. The main concern of his crew was the lack of land and the thought of running out of food and water on the journey. They had no idea how long they would be at sea, other than the calculations of the Earth's circumference, according to Columbus.

    There were two different circumferences of the Earth believed at this time. These estimates existed from as early as ancient Egypt. The basic way the circumference was figured out was by measuring the distance to the horizon from two different elevations (sea level and another height), and then using basic geometry determining the curvature of the circle.

    No one with any education truly believed the earth was flat. Columbus believed the Earth to be about 15,000 miles in circumference; the shore of Asia should be reachable across the Atlantic. Most navigators used 25,000 miles, and believed the trip was impossible simply because it wasn't possible to carry provisions for such a long trip.

    Further mor emost Sailors liked to sail close to land in order to pick up provisions and fresh water. The open sea was feared and respected because of stormy weather conditions.

    As Columbus went further out to sea, he ran into the Sargasso. The sea was a puzzle to him mainly because of the number of sea birds in the area; while usually a sign of land, no land was in sight. This was a major disappointment to Columbus and his crew and he made a special note of it for future voyages. (More as warning to future travelers not to expect land fall than because of alien visitors.)

    Later, as he went further west into the Atlantic, he noticed that the compass needle was acting up: the compass' North was not lining up with True (Celestial) North. Again he made a note of it, but didn't tell his superstitious crew. When others noticed the difference, Columbus informed them that he had made note of it, but it was not a major problem. He reasoned that the compass probably pointed to something other than True North.

    This, of course, has been proven to be true. Magnetic North is currently near Prince of Wales Island, half way between the Hudson Bay and the Geographic North Pole.

    Columbus and crew also spotted a meteor hitting the water. The crew was not puzzled by it, however, as it was not that uncommon to see shooting stars and the like. The meteor was noted in Columbus' log mainly because of the size. This occurred outside the boundaries of the Triangle.

    Columbus also logged a report of seeing lights in the distance, on October 11. He called for one of his men, who also saw the light. When a third man finally came, the light had vanished.

    By this time, the crew, while not mutinous, was calling for the ship to turn around. Columbus wrote that if land fall was not made within f ew days, he would turn around. There was a reward for the first man to spot land and several bad sightings were made.

    There were visible signs, such as land birds or plants floating in the water, but no land was sighted. On several occasions, low clouds had been mistaken for land. Columbus issued an order that any false sighting would lead to a forfeiture of reward, because of the effect they were having on the crew.

    The light Columbus had seen on the night of Oct 11 was probably from Man Island near Hispanola or from Hispanola itself. He failed to wake the crew because he did not want to report yet another false sighting. Four hours later, Rodrigo de Triana, aboard the Pinta, signaled land-in-sight. Land was spotted in the vicinity of where the light had been seen.


    The Occurrences: The Myths & Facts
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    The Biggest Mystery, Flight 19
    Flight 19. The disappearance of Five Avenger Torpedo bombers.


    The Myth.
    On a clear day five Navy Avengers of flight 19 took off for a routine mission. The experienced crew had a route that would take them 160 miles east, 40 miles north and the 120 miles straight back to base. The planes were suppose to carry three man crews, but one crew member failed to show. Perhaps it was just coincidence, or was it premonition? The planes had done their required preflight test and every thing checked out in good working order. It was a routine two hour mission but the planes were still fully fueled. The planes had extensive radio equipment to include ten different radio channels and homing devices that would show them the way home. The first message that came from the patrol came in at 15:45: "Control tower this is an emergency. We seem to be off course. We seem to be lost. We can't make out where we are." The tower said "Head due west", but the flight did not know which way West was. "Everything looks wrong, even the ocean looks strange". The tower was puzzled; even if the compasses were not working, the crew should have been able to fly west by following the sun (which was several hours from setting). Finally around 16:25, the flight leader announced "We're not certain where we are. We must be 225 North east of base...it looks like we are..." and then silence. A Martin Mariner flight-boat with a crew of 13 took off to look for Flight 19. The Mariner sent several routine messages back to base before it, too, disappeared in the region where Flight 19 was thought to be. At 19:04, the last message from Flight 19 was received at base. It was only a faint message which repeated the letters FT FT, the call letters of Flight 19. The search for the planes continued for weeks, and even today the U.S. Navy has a standing order for crews to keep a look out for Flight 19. The military experts were completely baffled--how could 27 men and six planes just disappear? If the Avengers would have run out of fuel, the planes would have floated long enough for the crews to get out and onto their rafts. The men were well-trained in sea survival. The official Navy report stated that the planes had vanished "as if they had flown to Mars"

    The truth:

    Fact 1: Only the Patrol Leader Lt . Charles Taylor was an experienced pilot, and he had only recently been transferred to the US Naval Air Station in Fort Lauderdale. The other pilots, and all but one crew member were trainees.

    Fact 2: The patrol was to conduct a low-level bo mbing mission at Hens and Chickens Shoal south of the Grand Bahamas. Lt. Taylor tried to get out of doing the flight, most likely because he was hung over.( He had been at a party the night before.) No one else in the duty rotation felt like switching with him.

    Fact 3: Soon after taking off, Taylor's compass went out, but he decided to fly by "dead reckoning" and "Pilotage".

    Fact 4: Taylor got screwed up because of his dead reckoning flying. He was not wearing a watch (something that has been assumed because he was always asking his crew what time it was). After several minutes of flying in circles, he saw a land mark that he thought he recognized. Taylor lived in the Florida Keys, and he mistakenly identified an island of the Bahamas as the island he lived on. He then issued an order for the flight to fly due North until they hit the mainland of Florida. It was getting late and the weather had been getting progressively worse. After about an hour of flying north and not hitting the mainland, Taylor issued an order to fly east. He assumed that they were now over the Gulf of Mexico.

    In fact, the flight had been flying north along the Atlantic coastline. When they decided to fly east, they started heading farther out into the Atlantic ocean.

    Fact 5: Flight 19 was in continuous contact with Base throughout the flight, up to this time, and the tower was aware that Taylor was flying without a compass. They asked Taylor to switch over to the emergency radio channel, but Taylor refused because one of his planes had a faulty receiver and he was afraid that if he changed frequencies he would lose contact with the plane. The weather was now a major storm; visibility was poor.

    Fact 6: Because of Taylor's refusal to switch to the emergency channel, Fort Lauderdale was picking up a lot of static on the line. It was also hard for the other radio stations along the coast to get a good fix on Flight 19. If Taylor had switched to the emergency channel, a fix could have been made almost immediately.

    Fact 7: It was raining: the weather was not clear and the sun could not be seen.

    Fact 8: A fix was made on the planes which put them around three hundred miles east of Jacksonville, Florida. When Taylor had thought he was lost, he was actually on course. If one were to back-track his flight plan from the point of where he thought he was lost, you will end up just South of the Bahamas.

    Fact 9: Several of the crew members were heard informing Taylor that if they headed West, they'd hit Florida. Because of their adherence to military discipline, they followed their leader.

    Fact 10: Fort Lauderdale sent vseveral messages to Flight 19. The flight was unable to receive the messages because of their distance from Lauderdale and all the interference from other radio traffic. If Taylor had switched to the emergency channel several other station could have contacted him. The other coastal stations id not have the frequencies necessary to contact Taylor's group.

    Fact 11: The Mariner was not the only plane dispatched to search for Flight 19. It was the only one that blew up, almost on take off. The explosion was witnessed by several people and an oil slick and debris were found. The Mariners was notorious for having fuel leaks and were known as "flying gas tanks"; it exploded 23 minutes after take off, in the exact location were it should have been.

    Fact 12: Avengers may float for up to two minutes, if you're lucky, make a perfect water landing, and the sea is calm. You might be able to get out of the plane if the sea is calm, you are uninjured from the crash (you don't land an Avenger like you would a sea-plane) and there is light. Ditching in the sea is dangerous even under ideal conditions. Flight 19 was flying in a rainstorm at night, over rough seas, with pilots who had no experience at ditching a plane; they were students. The planes would have sunk like rocks if they ran out of fuel and had to ditch. It is doubtful from the last few radio messages, that the planes decided to ditch together.

    Fact 13: It is common practice, upon the termination of any naval search, to conclude by stating that travelers in the area should remain on the alert. This order is never cancelled because it is part of termination orders. The Navy is not expecting to find Flight 19.

    Fact 14: The planes had flown far enough out to sea to have placed them off of the Continental Shelf. They were no longer flying over the shallow Caribbean water, but over water thousands instead of hundreds of feet deep. It is difficult to find sunken debris in such deep water.

    You decide. Is this a good story to tell around the camp fire or this a mystery that remains unsolved?

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    The Mary Celeste
    The Bermuda Triangle wouldn't be complete without a story on the Mary Celeste. It was a 103 foot Brigatine displacing 282 tons. It was found, floating and completely abandoned, by the crew of the Dei Gratia on December 4, 1872. Both ships had taken on cargo in New York the previous month. The Mary Celeste was sailing for Genoa on November 7, and the Dei Gratia was to head-out a week later for Gibraltar. The Dei Gratia sighted the ship sailing erratically. When the Captain went to investigate, he found that the only life boat had been launched, yet the ship was in perfect shape, with sails set. Numerous stories about the Celeste abound; the stories cover everything from bloody swords under the Captain's bed to strange vortices sucking off the crew, to an underground world.


    The Facts
    Fact 1: The ship was never in the Triangle. Its course was well north of the Triangle and it was found drifting by the Dei Gratia between the Azores and Portugal.

    Fact 2: The ship had taken on some water and the Dei Gratia had run into several winter storms on the way across the Atlantic. It is reasonable to assume the same of the Mary Celeste. Most likely the crew launched the life boat, fearing the ship would sink and then were probably lost at sea in the life boat. It wouldn't be the first or last time that a ship was abandoned in rough water only NOT to sink.

    Fact 3: Did I mention that this didn't even happen in the Bermuda Triangle. Several of the incidents claimed of the Triangle occurred somewhere else in the world, some as far away as the Indian Ocean.


    http://huisam08.150m.com/SoHo_P5/Bemuda2.htm#floor

    And this one:


    Now these are good questions. Why not somewhere else? Well actually the originators of the Bermuda Triangle have decided to have the instances occur in other places. In fact they have drawn a system of triangles world wide which are suppose to be magic beacons or corridors or vortices for extra-terrestrial or other strange mysterious powers.

    Now these little gateways are suppose to be equally placed all over the planet but here's the funny thing about them. The accidents don't actually happen at the actual spot where the beacons are located. They just happen nearby.

    How nearby, you might ask. Well that's easy. You just pick an accident and then look to see which triangle it is closest to, and you assign it to that triangle. It doesn't matter if it happened 5 kilmeters away or 2000 kilometers away. All that matters is that it was an accident. This allows every strange accident, no matter where it occurs to be related in some way to a triangle similar to the Bermuda Triangle. Now that you know this, I advise you to lock your doors and windows and hide under your bed so you're not sucked into some space-time continuum. You've been warned.

    The area of the Bermuda Triangle is one of the most popular tourist locations in the world. It is also just to the north of where virtually all the hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean form. Combine this with some of the deepest waters in the Atlantic and the Gulf Stream and you've got some interesting weather/ocean patterns.

    When you have that many people traveling in such a volatile area, things are going to happen. With improved weather tracking and better navigational aids, the area has become much safer but weather and ocean currents can still be murder in the area.

    Of course the first part of your question was why would people just make this stuff up? The answer is simple. MONEY. People eat this stuff up. It is popularized in movies like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "ET", and of course the "X Files" and "Roswell".

    It is so easy for the myth makers to prove that the stuff is real because they discount any actual evidence to the contrary as just people trying to cover up the truth. The more they perpetuate the myth, the more money they make. If you refuse to accept the obvious answers that nature provides and science documents, then it is easy for the pseudo-scientists to rake in the dough on yet another hair-brained theory that overlooks the obvious.


    http://gufifut.hegewisch.net/bermuda.../faqfacts.html
    You had me reading for a while , i understood what you said and now that you came up with all those facts it does make sense.
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    Next door neighbor is from bermuda and his brother went out to fish and never came back.... no storms, was very experienced fisherman so knew about all the reefs and currents, had plenty of supplies for a day and had a family to support. No there is no reason why he would just disappear. Not only that it has happened to multiple people throughout history. So is it a mere legend? If so then it must befounded in some sort of fact?
    We should go there one day and see for ourselfs what happens.
     
         

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    Why would you doubt if it exists...? Of course it does. What happens there is a different story though. And it's not supernatural.
     
         

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    I know a man, quite famous now due to his experience in the Bermuda Triangle.

    His name is Bruce Gernon; Google him if you haven't already heard of him. It nullifies Ira's findings.
     
         

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    I know a man, quite famous now due to his experience in the Bermuda Triangle.

    His name is Bruce Gernon; Google him if you haven't already heard of him. It nullifies Ira's findings.
    I googled him very interesting..thnx for the share lol
     
         

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    I know a man, quite famous now due to his experience in the Bermuda Triangle.

    His name is Bruce Gernon; Google him if you haven't already heard of him. It nullifies Ira's findings.
    THE FOG presents pilot Bruce Gernon’s groundbreaking new theory of the Bermuda Triangle, based upon his own firsthand experiences, eyewitness reports from other close-call Triangle survivors, and leading scientific research. Gernon believes that a rare natural phenomenon may be behind many of the seemingly paranormal happenings in the Triangle, causing time distortions, pilot disorientation, and equipment malfunctions.
    The UFO.... Eh Theories about aliens and time wraps are still just theories.
     
         

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    Yeah maybe but why would 3 people lie..what good would that do them?
     
         

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    Yeah maybe but why would 3 people lie..what good would that do them?
    Why is easy to answer at face value- to get extra attention and a new tale to tell. Though I don't believe that's always the only reason behind BT stories. Sometimes lies are not just lies. Mob mentality and psychology kicks in and they may really believe it to be true. You will hear many rumours and claims anytime such a story comes up. It gets complicated and too difficult to find the truth under such conditions when people want to believe something, be it existence of something or non existence of it. In the end it's up to you and you can chose any theory you prefer.
     
         
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