[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 512 Discussion/ 513 Predictions

[rhenzero777]

So naruto's many clones will be in use for battle after all, I want to see naruto fighting w/ his many clones vs. many zetsus.

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

good chapter..I was also wondering why white zetsu still calls him tobi witch leads me to suspect the body madara is using has to be composed of two ppl like zetsu. Remeber when tobi first made his apperance in the anime his voice was completely differen't. Just like white zetsu his white side is more carefree and the blackside only speaks when its necessary.

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

So naruto's many clones will be in use for battle after all, I want to see naruto fighting w/ his many clones vs. many zetsus.

That would be epic.100,000 zetsu vs 100,00 naruto clones!!!who will come out on top lol.totally naruto 530 material xD

but the 100,000 zetsus is actually for the 80,000 shinobi in the joint forces.mix in the kages and their bodyguards and a few konoha elite and it'll probably be a pretty even fight.that leaves like naruto,bee,kakashi,konoha 11,and whoever else vs madara, kabuto,the real zetsu and sasuke and whoever else the scrounge up for the final battles

[tricky411]

With 100k Zetsus it explains why there were so many Zetsu clones that attempted to fight Naruto just before Sasuke asked Madara for Itachi's eyes

[Solf J. Kimblee]

I'm surprised that Killer Bee, Naruto, and the others are still on the island. Felt bad for Guy, I guess he isn't as trained up in using the 8 gates as we realized.

Good chapter overall the only thing I expected to see but didn't was Sasuke. So Kabuto believes that he along with Deidara will be enough to defeat Killer Bee, Naruto, Yamato, and the others. He also believes he can capture them all...either Kabuto is insanely more powerful that before or he's lost it. Probably insanely more powerful.

Looks like I am not the only one with a big smile on my face

[incme2002]

Wow!!! 5/5. I knew it from the start that the blackside of Zetsu is the body's wearing Madara now! Fcking great chapt! Madara's original body is the last coffin who summoned Kabuto and i also knew from the very first appearance of Kabuto is the last villain of Naruto Shippuden! Prediction: Kabuto will succeed his plan to capture the 8 tails and 9 tails and probably Gaara will fight Deidara again and this time Gaara wins.

[Floydical]

WOW 5/5 hands down, one of the better chapters I've read. We found out that Madara has a living mass of the first, which we have to assume is where he has been regenerating himself from. We have also seen that he has utilized the 7 captured tailed beasts to create 100,000 zetsu clones. We still don't know if he himself is a clone of zetsu or his real face, but this chapter none the less was astounding to say the least.

[naturo9]

looks like madara is not just collecting eyes, he also collects body tissues or cells. (i.e. hands around 1st hokage=his own hans or from somebody else?)

great chapter, its moving without sasuke....

[gizmoekun]

The chapter is boring

[kisamexRocks]

That's because they are summons not shadow clones so they still stick around after death just like Pa toad when he died

and lol I knew that turtle was there for a reason xD

[THREAD I MADE PREDICTING TURTLES SIGNIFICANCE]
http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50070

I know they aren't shadow clones but in the chapter where kisame dies they disappeared and were not there at all and now all of a sudden they are there.

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

This war is about to be AMAZING.

And honestly, I think Naruto is going to go ham on these dudes. 100,000 Zetsus?

For the first time ever, I think Kage Bunshin would be amazing here if Naruto used the fox's chakra to make a ton of clones to just bulldoze everyone haha.

But personally, I think this nine-tail jutsu is going to create a ton of power.

[Toronto]

CRAZY CHAPTER, Next week possible Gaara vs Deidara fight and possibly Gaara being killed? INSANE INSANE. So many zetsu's, I guess that statue is actually alive, and the size of that turtle! Jesus Christ that turtle is gigantic. I think Zetsu is a regular dude that has been experimented on. possibly a senju ninja or something that wants to help out madara. Can't wait to see more information on him

Also anyone notice those shark summons are still there? I thought they all disappeared in the last manga as they vanished? Whats going on? Perhaps Kisame is alive and in the shark itself? Oh no another thread hehe.

i always thought zetsu was madara's recreation/"test" to create the rinnegan....... by adding traites of the yamanaka, hyuuga clans

[Floydical]

good chapter..I was also wondering why white zetsu still calls him tobi witch leads me to suspect the body madara is using has to be composed of two ppl like zetsu. Remeber when tobi first made his apperance in the anime his voice was completely differen't. Just like white zetsu his white side is more carefree and the blackside only speaks when its necessary.

Hmmm, I'm not sure about this exactly but clearly there is something different about Madara this chapter. If we look at the last panel of 511 and a 512 panel:

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/511/17

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/6

we see that Madara's voice changes when he gets serious, like you mentioned. However, we clearly see that that much is not true in this panel of his conversation with Kisame:

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/404

Here he is seems he becomes serious after Kisame expresses disgust at seeing Tobi, but his voice (i.e. the text used) does not change. In the anime, his voice clearly changes in this transition but again, no change in the manga text.

I do believe, however, that there is definitely something more to Madara. I really don't think he's a full on half black half white version of zetsu, but maybe half his head is one of the zetsu halves, or his body has become melded with zetsu kind of like how Kabuto basically is melded with oro at this point. The voice is still a bit troubling though, but maybe he has so much control that he can turn off/on his Zetsu 'side' if you will.

[silenceofthelambs]

Very good chapter. It seems as if Zetsu is a major pawn in Madara's plans, unlike some other theories I heard that emphatically stated Zetsu is running the world. And as for the First Hokage, he only seems to grow more mysterious. That's three people in the Naruto world now who possess his DNA; Orochimaru, Danzo, and Madara.

Madara might have fought Hashirama Senju purely for the reason of trying to use his abilities to contain the tailed beasts; that said, he must have known about the Sage of the Six Paths and the Jubi long before heading into battle with him. Seems like his statement that he who focused on the future back then came out the true winner, ended up being correct. And it's for obvious reasons.

[Toronto]

WOW. Can somebody explain that to me that What does "Heretical Demon Statue" mean?
And why does it still has that rod left over, when Nagato summonned it?
And why is it look like that? Has two humanic feet with 5 toes, and it's kinda looks like a person, but with kinda deformed upper body. Why does it sit like that, kinda in a meditation mode? and why is it handcuffed? and why does it has a scroll in his mouth? and how did Madara obtain it? isn't it's half body so post to be underground? How does Madara do all these things? How it's going to work? how did Madara capture it?
And what's with the freakshow? 1st hokage kinda reminds me of Captain Keyes, when the flood composed him.
So Zetsu is Madara's creation, such a God wannabe.

lol i thought the same thing with 1'st hokage (holy crap its captain keyes)

[Keese777]

just wondering is tobi tryna make more senju Hashiramas too???

[niblack89]

Black Zetsu is defiantly Tobi's DNA if white Zetsu is created from Hashirama. That's how Tobi is able to regenerate missing limbs and recover from injuries. He claimed that injuries sustained from his battle with Hashirama left him weaken, so he created a back up plain so he wont sustain even more injuries in the future.

Also Proves my theory as Tobi isn't the real Madara if Zetsu, what seems to be his creation still calls him Tobi. I'm starting to think Tobi is a clone Madara so hints he is a shell of his former self. Tobi seems to be a great scientist to create something as great as Zetsu so creating a clone of his self seems plausible, he's a great biologist.

Lastly Kabuto brought something to my attention, he wants some of the Senju powers too. Looking at Naruto and tsunade the I can see why only the Senju were a match for Uchiha.

What I seriously don't get is Hashirama was the purest Senju and Mito was the purest Uzumaki their child or children would have the purest Senju blood since the younger Rikudou son. They would have both the body and life energy of the Rikudou. Hashirama only has the body. Why wouldn't Tobi want their cells, hell Tsunade would have more Senju purity in her than her father. The Uzumaki has the Rikudou's life energy (hints their longevity) so the regular Senju would have the body or physical strength.

[Toby Uchiha]

It's over nine thousaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!!! O.O

I was freaking out when i say the 100000 Zetsus..that's just amazing but also ridiculous! And that Kabuto would use Edo Tensei to use the poor Deidara is a little bit tricky - so now we are sure that Kabuto will face the others because he has the ability to find the Island (he can fly and you can only find the island by flying). I guess that Tsuchikage and Gaara will heading together to the Island and we'll se a nice and badass fight.

I'm pleased to see Kabuto raped, and also the one thing that he revived with Edo Tensei which was the cause of madara freaking out.

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

Hmmm, I'm not sure about this exactly but clearly there is something different about Madara this chapter. If we look at the last panel of 511 and a 512 panel:

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/511/17

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/6

we see that Madara's voice changes when he gets serious, like you mentioned. However, we clearly see that that much is not true in this panel of his conversation with Kisame:

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/404

Here he is seems he becomes serious after Kisame expresses disgust at seeing Tobi, but his voice (i.e. the text used) does not change. In the anime, his voice clearly changes in this transition but again, no change in the manga text.

I do believe, however, that there is definitely something more to Madara. I really don't think he's a full on half black half white version of zetsu, but maybe half his head is one of the zetsu halves, or his body has become melded with zetsu kind of like how Kabuto basically is melded with oro at this point. The voice is still a bit troubling though, but maybe he has so much control that he can turn off/on his Zetsu 'side' if you will.

You my friend have helped me solve the mystery.I will make a thread of my findings now.and I thank you for helping my make the connection

[kaycee87]

The tsuchikage will get there but he'll prolly die while trying to defend the jinchuuriki's and then we'll learn bout he's past and so on.......

[Floydical]

You my friend have helped me solve the mystery.I will make a thread of my findings now.and I thank you for helping my make the connection

Cool, I'm glad I could help you out.

Please post the link when you have it ready, I'd like to read it.

[ReaperDan]

What a great manga! They have given us a surplus of ammo for future speculation and discussion! Can't wait for the next one. Craps about to hit the fan again!

Kabuto and Deidara vs. Gaara
Kabuto and Deidara vs. Killer Bee + Naruto + The other dudes on the island

Oh and most likely Killer Bee will die. But I don't think Naruto will get the nine tails taken from him. He'll most definitely survive and fight Sasuke. He wouldn't stand a chance against Sasuke without the Nine tails chakra.

Oh and if the nine tails was taken from Naruto than the whole "body of the 6 paths" and "eyes of the six paths" symbology theory thingy would be thrown all outta whack!!!

[Inception]

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/7

Tobi is Tobi. Kabuto showed Madara's body to Tobi with Edo Tensei.

I think the turtle island is actually a Japanese legend.. * researches*

It's actually based off the Native American's Creation Legend; before the world existed, there was only sea. A woman fell from the sky and a swan caught her. The swan had no place to put the woman down so couple of animals came to a conclusion that they needed land. A turtle told the animals to bring mud from the ocean and put it on his back. The mud or Earth as we call it, only existed deep beneath the sea. Several animals attempted to bring this land and only the muskrat was successful. Once the mud was placed on the back of the turtle, it expanded until it became an island, a continent and soon the whole word. Yay for Gr. 12 Canadian History.

I really hope Zetsu isn't some lab rat of Tobi that he created. That would just destroy his character in my opinion.

Kabuto seems confident but is he really on Tobi's side? And what of him wanting to experiment on Yamato? Does he want Izanagi?

Killerbee is probably going to die in the coming chapters. His role is over and has accomplished what his character was made to do. I don't see him going down so easily though, he has Samahada and that's one hell of a sword (:. I wonder who the next owner of Samahada will be if Bee is to get captured. Will Suigestu make a return?

Here is a link to a thread I created a while back. I think Zetsu are two different beings. The black half of Zetsu seems to have a much closer bond with Tobi whereas the white half doesn't know what's going on half the time.
http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53296

[Sage of the Force]

The chapter is boring

Yea there wasn't a lot of action and it was mostly talking but really boring....personally I think flashbacks are more boring than a ton of new info.....if you think this is boring you might as well take a break from the manga and come back after the next big fight....Don't wanna b too harsh just saying that you gotta expect some of these kind of chapters..

[Inception]

just a bit confused about this part

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/6

what does Kabuto mean by "If not, this Zetsu's body will do just fine for now, if you're willing to 'share the wealth' as they say. It wouldn't even delay the Ten-Tail's revival at all."

And how exactly is Kabuto going to make Zetsu stronger? I thought Tobi said his clones were weaker than the people he copies and are not created for combat. Is this a manga mistake? I also want to know if the copies that fought Negi, Lee, Tenten and Gai were created by Zetsu and not Pain.

and lol at the part Tobi says, "i'll give you one zetsu". I am really hoping that Kishi doesn't "destroy" Zetsu's character. By "destroy", I mean "f**k up".

One question answered, 3 new opened up.