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    Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    That's a filler and no
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Na I dont think so. He was already praised as being legit, fighting on Kage level and was up in line. Chosen by Sarutobi, until he went crazy. Itachi was just too strong for him. He has no counter to Itachis skills.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Well, he could have been. I mean, he usually weakens as the host body is "runs out of time" so to speak.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    He was strong enough to get in the Akatsuki...
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    No, there's nothing in the manga that suggests that he wasn't at 100% of his power that day. Orochimaru has the capability to take over anyone at anytime he wishes, as long as his last transfer wasn't too recent. Itachi just happened to have the perfect counter and as an adept shinobi kept his guard up at all times. Orochimaru also admitted that no matter what, Itachi was too strong for him and that it was an impossible dream to take him over. So, he was not weak at all that day judging by the dialogue then, the state he was portrayed in during the occurance, and the dialogue afterwards.
     
         
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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    No oro wasn't weak at all in fact itachi was just stronger!
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    I'm sure if he were 'weak' he wouldn't try pulling a stunt like that.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by kotori View Post
    That's a filler and no
    It wasn't a filler , Itachi onshotted oro with gwnjutsu.

    Ot: No, he defeated Jiraya before he left Konoha and Jiraya was pretty strong.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    agreed itachi is stronger
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Chie View Post
    No, there's nothing in the manga that suggests that he wasn't at 100% of his power that day. Orochimaru has the capability to take over anyone at anytime he wishes, as long as his last transfer wasn't too recent. Itachi just happened to have the perfect counter and as an adept shinobi kept his guard up at all times. Orochimaru also admitted that no matter what, Itachi was too strong for him and that it was an impossible dream to take him over. So, he was not weak at all that day judging by the dialogue then, the state he was portrayed in during the occurance, and the dialogue afterwards.
    lol Chie your passion for Itachi >>>>

    Anyway, no, Orochimaru was not weak. He was overconfident and outmatched.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Saskyyyy pls View Post
    It wasn't a filler , Itachi onshotted oro with gwnjutsu.

    Ot: No, he defeated Jiraya before he left Konoha and Jiraya was pretty strong.

    Was that flashback in the manga?
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Of course he was. Don't make threads where the answer is obvious........
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMist View Post
    Of course he was. Don't make threads where the answer is obvious........
    Why is it obvious?
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Absolutely not! Or else Kishimoto would have made that crystal clear, just as he made it clear that the only reason why Hebi Sasuke defeated Orochimaru was because the latter's hands were sealed. It wasn't until after Hiruzen sealed his hands that Orochimaru fell from his prime. Anyway, he countlessly proclaimed that he could never be stronger than Itachi, unless he had an Uchiha body.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    i think he just underestimated itachi but itachi was and still is out of his league i guess
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    oro was in prime that time
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    He was strong. Only weak in comparison to Itachi.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    No Orochimaru was very strong but Itachi was more stronger than him......
    This was stated by Orochimaru.......
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    No,Orochimaru just did'nt have any defense for Itachi's genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Yes, Orochimaru was weakened. To say he wasn't is to disregard canon.

    Orochimaru can only trade bodies when time's up, at which point he is weakened.

    He even had to abandon his fight against KN4 because his time was almost up.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Itachi was just too strong for him.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by CDT23 View Post
    Na I dont think so. He was already praised as being legit, fighting on Kage level and was up in line. Chosen by Sarutobi, until he went crazy. Itachi was just too strong for him. He has no counter to Itachis skills.
    Orochimaru wasn't body switching yet when he was chosen by Hiruzen. Orochimaru is forced to stay in a host for a couple of years, at which point he's weakened when time's up.

    Orochimaru was going to break the genjutsu, he's also an immortal regenerating freak so losing a hand means nothing. Not that it was an actual fight, Orochimaru tried to take Itachi's body and was denied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chie View Post
    No, there's nothing in the manga that suggests that he wasn't at 100% of his power that day. Orochimaru has the capability to take over anyone at anytime he wishes, as long as his last transfer wasn't too recent. Itachi just happened to have the perfect counter and as an adept shinobi kept his guard up at all times. Orochimaru also admitted that no matter what, Itachi was too strong for him and that it was an impossible dream to take him over. So, he was not weak at all that day judging by the dialogue then, the state he was portrayed in during the occurance, and the dialogue afterwards.
    Except for the times he's weakened because time's up, you mean?

    No, he can't trade whenever he wants. Once Orochimaru takes someone's body, he has to wait a couple years before he's capable of trading again.

    It wasn't a comparison of might that Orochimaru said he was too strong, Sasuke has the same feat as Itachi and he admitted to being physically inferior to Orochimaru.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nagatō View Post
    No oro wasn't weak at all in fact itachi was just stronger!
    Sasuke has the same feat as Itachi, and Sasuke admitted to being weaker than Orochimaru.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saskyyyy pls View Post
    It wasn't a filler , Itachi onshotted oro with gwnjutsu.

    Ot: No, he defeated Jiraya before he left Konoha and Jiraya was pretty strong.
    Orochimaru was going to break it, and Orochimaru laughs at getting chopped to pieces to losing a hand doesn't mean anything.

    That was before Orochimaru started trading bodies. He can only trade bodies when he's dying and weakened.

    Quote Originally Posted by C9 Mang0 View Post
    Why is it obvious?
    Because Orochimaru is dying and weakened when it's time to trade bodies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phonas View Post
    Absolutely not! Or else Kishimoto would have made that crystal clear, just as he made it clear that the only reason why Hebi Sasuke defeated Orochimaru was because the latter's hands were sealed. It wasn't until after Hiruzen sealed his hands that Orochimaru fell from his prime. Anyway, he countlessly proclaimed that he could never be stronger than Itachi, unless he had an Uchiha body.
    Kishimoto did make it crystal clear. Orochimaru can only trade bodies when he's dying.

    Orochimaru still beat Sasuke in their physical confrontation, Sasuke was paralyzed and Orochimaru could had killed him if he chose to. But no, Orochimaru opted to take Sasuke's body and he was denied, just like how Itachi denied him. Soul transfers have nothing to do with physical might.

    Countlessly? When?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kakashi of the Leaf Anbu View Post
    i think he just underestimated itachi but itachi was and still is out of his league i guess
    Itachi is not out of Orochimaru's league. Sasuke has the same feat and admitted to being weaker than Orochimaru.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus ShinRa View Post
    No Orochimaru was very strong but Itachi was more stronger than him......
    This was stated by Orochimaru.......
    Orochimaru wasn't comparing power, just Itachi's ability to resist the soul transfer.

    Quote Originally Posted by the eagle View Post
    No,Orochimaru just did'nt have any defense for Itachi's genjutsu.
    You mean aside from... breaking it? Orochimaru also has snake sensing.
     
         

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    Re: Was orochimaru weak when he fought itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateDeadpool View Post
    Orochimaru wasn't body switching yet when he was chosen by Hiruzen. Orochimaru is forced to stay in a host for a couple of years, at which point he's weakened when time's up.

    Orochimaru was going to break the genjutsu, he's also an immortal regenerating freak so losing a hand means nothing. Not that it was an actual fight, Orochimaru tried to take Itachi's body and was denied.



    Except for the times he's weakened because time's up, you mean?

    No, he can't trade whenever he wants. Once Orochimaru takes someone's body, he has to wait a couple years before he's capable of trading again.

    It wasn't a comparison of might that Orochimaru said he was too strong, Sasuke has the same feat as Itachi and he admitted to being physically inferior to Orochimaru.



    Sasuke has the same feat as Itachi, and Sasuke admitted to being weaker than Orochimaru.



    Orochimaru was going to break it, and Orochimaru laughs at getting chopped to pieces to losing a hand doesn't mean anything.

    That was before Orochimaru started trading bodies. He can only trade bodies when he's dying and weakened.



    Because Orochimaru is dying and weakened when it's time to trade bodies.



    Kishimoto did make it crystal clear. Orochimaru can only trade bodies when he's dying.

    Orochimaru still beat Sasuke in their physical confrontation, Sasuke was paralyzed and Orochimaru could had killed him if he chose to. But no, Orochimaru opted to take Sasuke's body and he was denied, just like how Itachi denied him. Soul transfers have nothing to do with physical might.

    Countlessly? When?



    Itachi is not out of Orochimaru's league. Sasuke has the same feat and admitted to being weaker than Orochimaru.



    Orochimaru wasn't comparing power, just Itachi's ability to resist the soul transfer.



    You mean aside from... breaking it? Orochimaru also has snake sensing.
    So, as I said before, Orochimaru was overconfident. Or maybe desperate...

    I like that you addressed every dissenting comment (except for mine...); I wish more people would do that
     
         

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