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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Hi this is my first post !!! Guys, I don't think that this is an asspull after all. My opinion is, just like the Indra and Ashura transmigration, Obito's soul can actually give Kakashi a temporary power-up. Like Hagoromo with Nardo and Sauce. And after they're finished with their role, the power-ups will be gone forever, in this case, Obito's Sharingan and Susanoo. Maybe Nardo and Sauce's power-ups too, since Hagoromo is a dead man and the power granted is only to seal his mother off. Technically Obito didn't transplant the eyes, he 'possessed' Kakashi. After all, you guys saw the conversation between him and Rin that he promised to come back. How the heck that he supposed to come back if he doesn't possess the Sharingan ? So for you guys who are ranting about the sudden power-up, chill out. Kishi will explain about it in the next 2-3 chapters. As for the PS, I think it is because Kakashi literally copied Madara's PS, although it is plausible because he's not there during the 5 kage fight with Edo Madara or maybe he copied Sauce's PS.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Wtf......
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Kishi just went full retard.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    From reading some of the comments here, I'd hate to see some of you guys work in the food industry where criticism is guaranteed.
    Just because Kishimoto is an author of a wonderful manga that I've spent the better part of 10 years reading does NOT mean I'm going to enjoy every little detail.

    No, I'm not going to learn Japanese and how to draw to become a better mangaka. I already speak and write Arabic and English and it's already hard for me to not transliterate two languages, much less three.

    Honestly, successful people in this world never thought that they were "good enough" and always strived to become better, hence why successful people are always open to criticism. You have to think beyond comfortability

    I live in America, and other people here come from a country where they are ALSO allowed to have opinions. Hell I'm sure even in Jordan King Abdullah isn't going to have you thrown in prison because you didn't like that Kakashi had Susano'o.

    However, I think that him having Susano'o is hilarious for now because he was literally just a sitting duck a chapter ago. Now he's > five current Kage.

    Sucks to be them right now!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    I always knew Kakashi was more talented than a Pure blooded Uchiha and was better at using the Sharingan, skipped all levels of Susanoo
    and goes straight to PS, hes a natural genius, uchiha can't compare to him.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Kishi just couldn't leave out Obito for One Chapter.......FOR ONE F*CKING CHAPTER!!!!!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Kakashi became a jounin BEFORE he was given the sharingan from obito. Was he really so useless that Kishi was forced to used random magic to give him not just one but two MS? I was hoping to see some of kakashis OWN techniques that got him to the level of jounin...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ Vegito View Post
    1. It was before heavily implied you needed EMS
    2. Kakashi could barely handle one Sharingan. Even while used to a 3 Tomoe for years, heavy use caused him to be hospitalized for 3 days.
    3. Using Kamui for the first couple times made him stumble and ravaged his body, even after one use
    4. It took Sasuke a short while to access his Susano'o, at least a few weeks, but Kakashi has it after a few pages with no experience, and he stabilizes it and perfects it instantly
    5. Kakashi is a non-Uchiha
    6. Techniques that didn't particularly graze at your stamina gave him trouble, even after using it for a bit. Now, he's able to use a technique that takes a tremendous drain on life force, causing pain that "feels like every cell hurts", but he's handling that just fine
    7. One Sharingan drained him, but now he's wielding two Mangekyo Sharingan without any seeming problem


    The symbolism Kishi may be trying to put behind it is good, Kakashi and Obito will always work together, the execution, the medium of this symbolism, is utter shit. It makes no sense, contradicts many things Kishi himself previously established, and all in all desecrates what this chapter could have been, and pretty much the series' current status. You're just in denial.
    To answer your skeptism: read below:


    Quote Originally Posted by Faiznarmi View Post
    Hi this is my first post !!! Guys, I don't think that this is an asspull after all. My opinion is, just like the Indra and Ashura transmigration, Obito's soul can actually give Kakashi a temporary power-up. Like Hagoromo with Nardo and Sauce. And after they're finished with their role, the power-ups will be gone forever, in this case, Obito's Sharingan and Susanoo. Maybe Nardo and Sauce's power-ups too, since Hagoromo is a dead man and the power granted is only to seal his mother off. Technically Obito didn't transplant the eyes, he 'possessed' Kakashi. After all, you guys saw the conversation between him and Rin that he promised to come back. How the heck that he supposed to come back if he doesn't possess the Sharingan ? So for you guys who are ranting about the sudden power-up, chill out. Kishi will explain about it in the next 2-3 chapters. As for the PS, I think it is because Kakashi literally copied Madara's PS, although it is plausible because he's not there during the 5 kage fight with Edo Madara or maybe he copied Sauce's PS.


    Mow, people stop rambling about things you do not understand. Anyone who doesnt understand should chill and analyse all the data from the beginning of the Manga. It would make sense. If you still don't, wait for Kishi next chapter to see what happened, what happens and why it all happen.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TyrionUchiha View Post
    From this chapter, two fan bases emerge - those who think that PS Kakashi is bullshit, and those who think that PS Kakashi is the shit.

    I'm in the second one. DAMN.
    Theres no shame in that. You can actually think it is both. Think that the plot for him to obtain PS, is BS, while still loving the epicness of it.


    Anyways I dont usually respond to these threads. But This was a different chapter.

    As soon as I turned to page one, and we still saw obito and rin, I began laughing.

    As the chapter progressed, I just began laughing more. As soon as I saw obitos chakra/soul come to kakashi I laughed harder.

    With Double MS kakashi I began running out of breath.

    Then naruto did a epic bjuu attack. Didnt laugh at that(though I was still snickering at the events before)

    Then kaguya turned into a odd blob. Just weird.

    Then kakashi PS happened. Then I fell on the floor and could stop laughing for 5 minutes.


    I was laughing because I could just immagine how people were gonna get worked up. And it was just hilarious. And I was right.

    I will laugh even more if obito still comes back again for something. Or he is revived or something.


    Other than that, on a more serious note, I am fine with kishi doing what he wants. I have been along this series for enjoyment long before the more questionable stuff happened. I just will enjoy the series no matter what kishi does really.

    But one thing that does get me a bit upset, is how vague kishi can be.

    Susanoo, we dont know exactly the requirements for PS, thus we can only speculate whether it is BS, or whether it is logical.
    We dont know how susanoo works exactly, so we dont know whether eyeless susanoo was truly bs, or whether it was never contradictary.

    Or the transmigrates.

    Kishi has left us with many things that we just dont understand how they work. We can neither confirm nor deny a theory about it.

    I truly hope kishi comes back at some time and explains some of these things. It would make things much better.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TaBaYo View Post
    Mow, people stop rambling about things you do not understand. Anyone who doesnt understand should chill and analyse all the data from the beginning of the Manga. It would make sense. If you still don't, wait for Kishi next chapter to see what happened, what happens and why it all happen.
    I don't think he'll be able to explain how he made death his *****.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    A truly, truly horrible chapter. Nothing made sense to me at all. I don't care if its a temporary power-up -- this was just wrong in general. Kishimoto is trying to make Kakashi be in the same league as Naruto and Sasuke, but the approach is just way off. I wonder if he'll give Sakura a supreme Byakugan next chapter. Who knows? A double pair of Rinnegan with Slug Mode? Kishimoto has killed the creativity of this manga; he's not even following the standards that he's established in this manga.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimihendrix View Post
    and I just love how a lot of people on this base just loooove to make excuses and blame kishi, or say it wasn't kishi, when a chapter doesn't go their way, or something happens that they don't receive well.

    Like shut the **** up already with your whining about the manga that you aren't writing. If you can do a better job, learn japanese, move to Japan, and become a mangaka. Jesus ****ing christ!

    EDIT: oh and here's the kicker: the word asspull "Asspull" seems to be everyone's go to word when they're conflicted with the above scenario
    The whole point of this website is to discuss naruto. And things never go the readers way , it goes the authors way. The problems start when kishi started throwing away the points he established in the series out the window. Take this chapter for example. Obito can use kamui to travel from the afterlife dimension to the living dimension. Thats a little pushing it, but ok, still reasonable because he comes in a sort of spirit form. Then he goes on to not only "posses" him, he also gives the use of both sharingan! The last time anything like this happened was with Dan and even then he only gave Tsunade chakra. Now he gets perfect susanoo! No, not the half body one, the full bodied, stabilized flying susanoo.

    How the **** is this not an asspull? Itachi, as talented as he was, only managed to get perfect susanoo with half its body, then again he was sick and probably didn't get to perfect it. Madara had full perfect susanoo, but he had been growing up fighting in a war between the two strongest clans at the time, and against Hashirama nonetheless. Even sasuke had to go through each stage, and he struggled with the pain of just using the ribcage. But here comes Kakashi+Obito, both experienced in the use of their sharingan but no experience with susanoo (because neither could use it), and they are just able to bust out full body perfect susanoo? Yeah, I just don't see how that shits gonna fly.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TaBaYo View Post
    To answer your skeptism: read below:






    Mow, people stop rambling about things you do not understand. Anyone who doesnt understand should chill and analyse all the data from the beginning of the Manga. It would make sense. If you still don't, wait for Kishi next chapter to see what happened, what happens and why it all happen.
    There are certainly theories and fabrications that we can create that make everything fit together. However that does not change the fact that kishi leaves many things not fully explained. Even though he may have a good explanation, we are left with questionable contradictions.

    The only way to get closest to the truth is to discuss it with others. Usually others who do not agree, or others who play devils advocate.

    The key thing though, is for both sides to understand that they are speculating. Because they are.
     
         

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    Oh My God

    Just woke up & read the Chapter .. oh my God .. for a second Ithought, what?? Obito is coming back? Yeah!! Then his Spirit went into Kakashi somehow giving him both Sharingans + Susanoo !!! Damn! Best shit ever. In a sense Obito lives right now.

    What I believe is following, Obito lives on in Kakashi for a the rest of this War & then he'll vanish & so will Kakashis Eyes? I'm not sure .. Anyways this Chapter was Mind=Blowing .. & what the hell happened to Kaguya?

    As I said many times, Obito is a freaking Legend. Coming back from the Dead like a Boss & giving Kakashi his Eyes. Well done Kishi, well done.
     
         

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    Re: Oh My God

    Yeah his susano'o is boss, but its has to be temporary
     
         

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    Re: Oh My God

    obito trolls death yet again! i love him.

    the two have become one parallel http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/243/18
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    WOW, JUST WOW KISHIMOTO!!! After hard consideration i give this chapter a 1/5 . I have never ever given naruto a rating this low before!

    In the beginning of the chapter you had me all like:



    Then towards the middle when naruto's clones were using various types of rasen-shuriken and the ending with Kakashi autotmatically out of the blue activating susanoo to help sakura :




    Nahh but the whole scene with obito & rin was soo kawaaiii
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    It felt like I was reading a horrible fanfic. Kishimoto bullshit to the max 0/5
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Holy shit, that plot twist lol. Dat Kakashi Awesome chapter, 11/10. All hail Lord Kishimoto.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Well then. First Kakashi got 2 sharingans from Obito that was unexpected, but still we know that 2 eyes is "extremely" better than only one eye, but still Kakashi should not have the body (chakra) to be able to pull of a perfet susano without training, we can argue that he copied Sasukes susano but still he should not be able to use a perfect susano.

    Second Naruto using a "new" rasengan variation is always nice, and then what exactly happened to Kaguya? Naruto used all the different tailed beasts chakra and that "jumstarted" Kaguya
    being ten tails? Does this meant that this is the feared Rabbit Goddess, (Maybe even the Original Ten tails(Maybe the god tree had no real emotions or even intelligence and the rampaging and collection was Kaguyas doing)(we know that she has a "need" to want to preserve chakra and not using it) Well i want to see more, people complaining about asspulls is maybe correct in some way, but i enjoyed reading this chapter so a 5/5 for me
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by cptenn94 View Post
    Theres no shame in that. You can actually think it is both. Think that the plot for him to obtain PS, is BS, while still loving the epicness of it.


    Anyways I dont usually respond to these threads. But This was a different chapter.

    As soon as I turned to page one, and we still saw obito and rin, I began laughing.

    As the chapter progressed, I just began laughing more. As soon as I saw obitos chakra/soul come to kakashi I laughed harder.

    With Double MS kakashi I began running out of breath.

    Then naruto did a epic bjuu attack. Didnt laugh at that(though I was still snickering at the events before)

    Then kaguya turned into a odd blob. Just weird.

    Then kakashi PS happened. Then I fell on the floor and could stop laughing for 5 minutes.


    I was laughing because I could just immagine how people were gonna get worked up. And it was just hilarious. And I was right.

    I will laugh even more if obito still comes back again for something. Or he is revived or something.


    Other than that, on a more serious note, I am fine with kishi doing what he wants. I have been along this series for enjoyment long before the more questionable stuff happened. I just will enjoy the series no matter what kishi does really.

    But one thing that does get me a bit upset, is how vague kishi can be.

    Susanoo, we dont know exactly the requirements for PS, thus we can only speculate whether it is BS, or whether it is logical.
    We dont know how susanoo works exactly, so we dont know whether eyeless susanoo was truly bs, or whether it was never contradictary.

    Or the transmigrates.

    Kishi has left us with many things that we just dont understand how they work. We can neither confirm nor deny a theory about it.

    I truly hope kishi comes back at some time and explains some of these things. It would make things much better
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptenn94;16689900[B
    ]There are certainly theories and fabrications that we can create that make everything fit together. However that does not change the fact that kishi leaves many things not fully explained. Even though he may have a good explanation, we are left with questionable contradictions.

    The only way to get closest to the truth is to discuss it with others. Usually others who do not agree, or others who play devils advocate.

    The key thing though, is for both sides to understand that they are speculating. Because they are.[/B]
    Agreed with these statements. People just speculate and they convince themselves that, that is the real explanation to what they are confused about. Till Kishi himself explains stuff, nobody can clearly and vividly explain how anything works in the manga.

    Even with Kishi's explanation, sometimes he doesnt give the clear truth, eg. is how Kamui works. Kakashi just did his own analysis of it, which doesnt confirm how it works. Only Obito cld have done that for our perfect understanding.

    Susano is another example. Itachi explained what he thought he knew about it which doesn't mean its the real explanation or truth. Only the originator of susano wld be the best person to explain how susano really works.

    Kishi, does not really spend more time in doing those explanations but I think it his style of writing so he can fill in plot holes and cover anytime he wants to.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    my insides just exploded. im not sure exactly how i should feel about this, a good portion is thrilled yet... the ass pulls man
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Wtf just happened .... I was actually laughing, come on I thought obito would use izanagi or something but.. That


    How come kakashi can use suzano wen obito didn't

    So. Bz is now not with kaguya... She is rabbit now .... All bijus might come out now....
    Where are the ages.... The chapter ended so soon.....


    Only word... Wtf.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by leezagboola View Post
    Kakashi became a jounin BEFORE he was given the sharingan from obito. Was he really so useless that Kishi was forced to used random magic to give him not just one but two MS? I was hoping to see some of kakashis OWN techniques that got him to the level of jounin...
    This is what I hate. Kakashi is supposed to be an elite ninja. Even though kamui was his best move, it wasn't his only move. At the very least, he should be able to come up with some ideas on taking down kaguya. Now that I think of it, Sasuke hasn't done anything so far in susanoo that hurt kaguya and kamui is too slow unless he uses both at the same time (which should be a huge drain on him, but it probably won't because asspull). Honestly, I can only see kakashi devising some sort of elaborate plan that may or may not work, and thats the only usefullness I see coming from his power up.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 688 Discussion and 689 Predictions

    I guess Kakashi is the copy ninja after all. Maybe he observed Sasuke activating his Perfect Susano an kept that in mind or Obito's spirit energy transferred into Kakashi for a while to see this fight through.
     
         

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