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    If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    You must be a follower of the anime and manga, to read the thread. Otherwise it is advised that you do not read.


    See the whole uchiha thing really wasn't tobirama's fault. In fact, we already know the uchiha didn't have a problem with Tobirama at all.. since there are no indications they did. And furthermore, the reason the village turned crap after Tobirama is because they 2 leaders who took control of the village didn't listen to the white haired beast.

    "I will be the decoy… you are the bright young flames who must protect the village. Danzō, you and Saru have always been rivals in everything… But what we need now is unity. Don't bring your personal squabbles into this. It's true I was slow with my decision. First you must look within and know yourself without losing your calm. Right now you will just bring danger upon your friends. At any rate… Danzō… Saru… there's no need to be hasty at your age. One day the time will come. Just stay alive… until then."


    1. Uchiha did the coup why? Because there was no unity ( you can watch the anime episode where they hold the uchiha meeting. )
    2. Why were their dirty activities, like experimenting on konoha citizens, or something like the Root going on? Because there was no unity..
    3. Why did Konoha look like a hypocrite? because there was no unity.


    I mean if you look at the reign of the first 2 Hokage.. there really weren't any internal problems except Madara. People say Tobirama made the Uchiha into the police to segregate them so they won't mess with the village.. However, when we look at the Uchiha (anime here), all they talked about during the Coup meetings was PROTECTING KONOHA. lol. Its just that Uchiha would give their life for the village.. hence why making them the Police wasn't really a big mistake. Its just Hiruzen couldn't handle it.. and Danzo set them up for god knows why.

    Sooo yeaaa Only if they had listened to Tobirama.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Why didn't Tobirama destroy Madara's body or consider the fact that he may be able to use Izanagi..
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by SimbaPrides View Post
    Why didn't Tobirama destroy Madara's body or consider the fact that he may be able to use Izanagi..
    Madara is not his reponsibility. Madara's actions are on himself.

    Just like my actions are not your reponsibility.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    The one who needed to listen to Tobirama was Hashirama.

     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by SimbaPrides View Post
    Why didn't Tobirama destroy Madara's body or consider the fact that he may be able to use Izanagi..
    Now I wonder why Tobirama didn't do that.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Madara is not his reponsibility. Madara's actions are on himself.

    Just like my actions are not your reponsibility.
    He went out of his way to study his dead body. It never occurred to him that it's a possibility? Hell, even if he put guards outside the grave-site or something. He'd at least be prepared to combat Madara once more if he is revived or if someone tries to steal the body.

     
         
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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    I agree Tobimaru was a great character. Nice read Op.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by SimbaPrides View Post
    He went out of his way to study his dead body. It never occured to him that it's a possibility?

    Also considering that Madara's body was a Treasure trove and his abilities could easily be used by Konoha's enemies. The logical thing to do would have been to destroy his body similar to what the Mist Village does with it's missing ninjas. So, why didn't Tobirama do so ?
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    It must have already been hostility between the clans if just one incident could spark such distrust.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    May be he didn't know about Izanagi coz he was studying the sharingan at that time..and the reason for uchiha's coup d'tat was revealed in the recent fillers.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by SimbaPrides View Post
    He went out of his way to study his dead body. It never occured to him that it's a possibility?

    Because a programed Izanagi is really far fetched

    It was an asspull
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Danzo was just jealous of the eye power....he knew that Uchiha could control Tailed Beasts with their ocular power because of Madara manifested it. He framed them in the nine tails attack and retrieved the eyes at the Massacre....kinda seems like he wanted to control the Bijuus as well....
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonor View Post
    Now I wonder why Tobirama didn't do that.
    Because he wanted to study Madara's body.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by the eagle View Post
    Because he wanted to study Madara's body.
    Then shouldn't he have posted a few guards around the Grave ?
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    The whole thing started because Tobirama was scared it would be another Madara so he moved them to the outskirts of the village and put under constant survalence if he would have never done that then never would have been a coup. The Kyuubi attack made it worse Tobirama and Danzo are to blame.
     
         
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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Volk View Post
    It must have already been hostility between the clans if just one incident could spark such distrust.
    After the nine-tails attack on konaha, the village governing body(danzo to be specific) feared that it was uchiha's doing(as the kyuubi could be controlled by sharingan) . this led to the distrust between villagers . consequently among uchiha also.
    this was revealed in the recent fillers
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

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    Then shouldn't he have posted a few guards around the Grave ?
    Tobirama likely didn't foresee Madara coming back from the dead.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    I don't know why people put the blame on tobirama, the Uchiha didn't decide they were unhappy till some 50 or so years after tobirama died. Can't blame him for something that happened so long after his era given that the Uchiha themselves were incredibly proud of their police force title.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by NukaCola View Post
    Because a programed Izanagi is really far fetched

    It was an asspull
    If there's anyone not to underestimate, it's Madara. Tobirama should of known this.

    Plus, a pre-programmed Izanagi can't activate if the body and eyes are already destroyed, right? All the times Danzo was "killed" he at least had a few seconds or so to activate it.

    I bet if Tobirama had just taken the eyes out, it would of avoided him being resurrected.



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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by sudota View Post
    After the nine-tails attack on konaha, the village governing body(danzo to be specific) feared that it was uchiha's doing(as the kyuubi could be controlled by sharingan) . this led to the distrust between villagers . consequently among uchiha also.
    this was revealed in the recent fillers
    I'm well aware of that. However if the Uchiha and the leaf were on such good terms prior to this, then this one incident shouldn't spark such distrust as to ostracize the clan.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by the eagle View Post
    Tobirama likely didn't foresee Madara coming back from the dead.
    But if there were no Guards; then any enemy can infiltrate Madara's grave. Looks at Black Zetsu.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by SimbaPrides View Post
    If there's anyone not to underestimate, it's Madara. Tobirama should of known this.

    Plus, a pre-programmed Izanagi can't activate if the body and eyes are already destroyed, right? All the times Danzo was "killed" he at least had a few seconds or so to activate it.

    I bet if Tobirama had just taken the eyes out, it would of avoided him being resurrected.


    The sad thing is, Madara knew the seals to reverse/resist edo tensei yet Tobirama didn't..... Not sure why Kishi did that. Tobirama's smartness shouldn't be overestimated..
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    You must be a follower of the anime and manga, to read the thread. Otherwise it is advised that you do not read.


    See the whole uchiha thing really wasn't tobirama's fault. In fact, we already know the uchiha didn't have a problem with Tobirama at all.. since there are no indications they did. And furthermore, the reason the village turned crap after Tobirama is because they 2 leaders who took control of the village didn't listen to the white haired beast.

    "I will be the decoy… you are the bright young flames who must protect the village. Danzō, you and Saru have always been rivals in everything… But what we need now is unity. Don't bring your personal squabbles into this. It's true I was slow with my decision. First you must look within and know yourself without losing your calm. Right now you will just bring danger upon your friends. At any rate… Danzō… Saru… there's no need to be hasty at your age. One day the time will come. Just stay alive… until then."


    1. Uchiha did the coup why? Because there was no unity ( you can watch the anime episode where they hold the uchiha meeting. )
    2. Why were their dirty activities, like experimenting on konoha citizens, or something like the Root going on? Because there was no unity..
    3. Why did Konoha look like a hypocrite? because there was no unity.


    I mean if you look at the reign of the first 2 Hokage.. there really weren't any internal problems except Madara. People say Tobirama made the Uchiha into the police to segregate them so they won't mess with the village.. However, when we look at the Uchiha (anime here), all they talked about during the Coup meetings was PROTECTING KONOHA. lol. Its just that Uchiha would give their life for the village.. hence why making them the Police wasn't really a big mistake. Its just Hiruzen couldn't handle it.. and Danzo set them up for god knows why.

    Sooo yeaaa Only if they had listened to Tobirama.

    if your saying its danzos fault, and partly hiruzens for not stopping it, than i agree with you kinda
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Volk View Post
    I'm well aware of that. However if the Uchiha and the leaf were on such good terms prior to this, then this one incident shouldn't spark such distrust as to ostracize the clan.
    they never really trusted each other that well. also the reasons orochimaru mentioned to tobirama should be considered.
     
         

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    Re: If they had only listened to Tobirama...

    Yeah,if only...
     
         

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