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    Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Tobi explains that the powers of the Sage were split between two brothers, one inherited the Sage's 'eyes' and his spiritual energy, whilst the other inherited the Sage's 'body' and his physical vitality. Tobi references Nagato as being the third of six paths. I doubt he's talking about the six paths of pain, since Nagato as the 'real' Pain, possessed the powers of all six. I think that the six paths Tobi mentioned are six seperate bloodline limits in the shinobi world, which, when combined, give one the powers of the original Sage (minus the Juubi). If his powers divided once they could divide again after all. This would mean there are three dojutsu, and three 'body' bloodline limits, and hey ho the only three known dojutsu in the series (that I'm aware of) are the Rinnegan, the Sharingan and the Byakugan. Whilst the Byakugan's significance has only seemed to decrease since its introduction, it was mentioned by Kakashi - I think when Neji fought Hinata, that it was the predecessor to the Sharingan, and Kishimoto has shown us repeatedly that little details always come back at some point. As for the other three, I think the longevity of the Uzumaki must be one, and possibly the mokuton from the Senju clan, which like the Sharingan might only expresses itself in certain members. The final path... who knows? There's a strong parallel between Uchiha and Senju, the Uzumaki clan were described as a branch of the Senju clan, and the Hyuuga are supposedly related - at least through their eyes - with the Uchiha. Chapter 520 would indicate there was only ever one Rinnegan, the Sage's, so perhaps the last path is also something that was unique to the Sage (maybe Kabuto literally has the Sage's body lol)
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    wat?
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    i get what your saying and when madara was talking about the six paths. madara also referred to himself as the 2nd of the six paths so that must mean the 1st hokage was the 1st path madara was second pain was 3rd. and naruto is fourth cuz when he took the foxes charka the fox was shocked to and called naruto the ridokou sage so naruto is fourth and im assuming sasuke is the fifth cuz he has the enternal mangekyo sharingan. thatleaves one more person. any ideas
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    good analyses
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Quote Originally Posted by GregTheGamer View Post
    Tobi explains that the powers of the Sage were split between two brothers, one inherited the Sage's 'eyes' and his spiritual energy, whilst the other inherited the Sage's 'body' and his physical vitality. Tobi references Nagato as being the third of six paths. I doubt he's talking about the six paths of pain, since Nagato as the 'real' Pain, possessed the powers of all six. I think that the six paths Tobi mentioned are six seperate bloodline limits in the shinobi world, which, when combined, give one the powers of the original Sage (minus the Juubi). If his powers divided once they could divide again after all. This would mean there are three dojutsu, and three 'body' bloodline limits, and hey ho the only three known dojutsu in the series (that I'm aware of) are the Rinnegan, the Sharingan and the Byakugan. Whilst the Byakugan's significance has only seemed to decrease since its introduction, it was mentioned by Kakashi - I think when Neji fought Hinata, that it was the predecessor to the Sharingan, and Kishimoto has shown us repeatedly that little details always come back at some point. As for the other three, I think the longevity of the Uzumaki must be one, and possibly the mokuton from the Senju clan, which like the Sharingan might only expresses itself in certain members. The final path... who knows? There's a strong parallel between Uchiha and Senju, the Uzumaki clan were described as a branch of the Senju clan, and the Hyuuga are supposedly related - at least through their eyes - with the Uchiha. Chapter 520 would indicate there was only ever one Rinnegan, the Sage's, so perhaps the last path is also something that was unique to the Sage (maybe Kabuto literally has the Sage's body lol)

    Yeah i had a theory about the samething
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    since madara said that the powers of the sot6p were divided into the strong body and the eyes, one could assume that each of the powers again splitted into three.
    therefore we have as paths of the first uchiha:
    -rinnegan (of the uzumaki?)
    -sharingan of the uchiha
    -byakugan of the hyuuga

    as paths of the first senju:
    -mokuton of senju
    -and two currently unknown families' bloodline limits of the first senju.
    maybe the uzumaki are not uchihas but senjus, since madara said that they are close related (what he didnt mention with uchiha and uzumaki) and the rinnegan originally is a kekkei genkai of another family, since madara said that he "gave it" to nagato. than we would have chakra-control or something like that for uzumaki as the second kg of the original senju.
     
         
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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Yeah some bits fit but others don't. If it was Madara and Hashirama you'd think the next pair would be Naruto and Sasuke, but then Nagato doesn't seem to have a equal/opposite path. And somehow I just don't see a byakugan user being a path, who'd it be, Neji? Hinata? No way! It's a toss up between two sets of three or three sets of two, whether it's the type of kekkai genkai or the type of person, part of me thinks its more about the person, and that in Nagato's case what made him a 'path' was directly taken from the Sage, I can't imagine a clan of Rinnegan users anyway, it'd be too powerful. As for the physical opposite/equal to the Rinnegan, also directly from the Sage....? Probably something yet to be introduced, but chances are it'll belong to Naruto, he's the hero after all
     
         
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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    the six paths are not each one person... its thing things they possess. madara is the 3rd of six because he has senju, uchina and rinnegan with him
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Quote Originally Posted by Papaya View Post
    the six paths are not each one person... its thing things they possess. madara is the 3rd of six because he has senju, uchina and rinnegan with him
    so then explain naruto being the ridoku sage. and looking just like him
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    papaya no one said it was people we said it was abilities u have
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    read it again i think you missing something papaya
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    But say it wasn't the person, then Tobi/Madara wouldn't have needed to get Hashirama's cells, he could've just taken cells from a weaker member of the Senju clan, he needn't have gone after the most powerful, and if it's all in the blood then there are multiple people who're paths, Tsunade for instance as the First's granddaughter would be a path, which is ridiculous. It can't be just the kekkai genkai. I think it must be that only certain people of certain bloodlines, those 'once every generation' kind of people, like Madara and Hashirama, and Naruto and Sasuke, although I'm still hesitant about saying Nagato personally, he was Uzumaki according to Tobi/Madara, so he wouldn't have acquired the Rinnegan naturally, and he doesn't have a rival path, although the Rinnegan eyes themselves should have a rival jutsu, original to the Sage.
     
         
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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Good theory awesome analysis of of Tobi calling Nagato the 3rd path. I also don't think that wood element was a path but maybe the strength of the senju clan since they were the body of the So6P.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Quote Originally Posted by GregTheGamer View Post
    But say it wasn't the person, then Tobi/Madara wouldn't have needed to get Hashirama's cells, he could've just taken cells from a weaker member of the Senju clan, he needn't have gone after the most powerful, and if it's all in the blood then there are multiple people who're paths, Tsunade for instance as the First's granddaughter would be a path. I think it must be that only certain people of certain bloodlines, those 'once every generation' kind of people, like Madara and Hashirama, and Naruto and Sasuke, although I'm still hesitant about saying Nagato personally, he was Uzumaki according to Tobi/Madara, so he wouldn't have acquired the Rinnegan naturally, and he doesn't have a rival path, although the Rinnegan eyes themselves should have a rival jutsu, original to the Sage.
    true i totally agree. Im guessing pain is a path because he was given the rinnegan and mastered all the techniques and not only that but manipulated all elements. and he did kill konoha and bring them all back. but everything esle you said i agree. but whos the sixth path if i had to guess kabuto might have something to do with it and orochimaru.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

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    Good theory awesome analysis of of Tobi calling Nagato the 3rd path. I also don't think that wood element was a path but maybe the strength of the senju clan since they were the body of the So6P.
    wood element was a bloodline limit only the first hokage could use. thanks to orochimaru yamato is the second. and danzou is the third but he couldnt control it.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    It might actually be the ancestors for the Uchiha and Senju who were the other pair, if the Sage divided the power of the tailed beasts maybe he divided his own power the same way, intentionally giving the Uchiha brother his own Rinnegan and the Senju brother his own 'body'(?) And how did Tobi get those Rinnegan eyes? I bet it's to do with the Uchiha tablet, Tobi says more can be read in order of Sharingan, Mangekyou Sharingan, and Rinnegan, but what does it actually tell you with Mangekyou Sharingan nobody's ever said, but I bet its information about the six paths and the location of one, the Rinnegan. And then the Rinnegan tells you about the Juubi, and the Sage is basically reborn when someone has all paths and is the Juubi's jinchuuriki, that's what Tobi means when he says he wants to become complete, the Moons Eye Plan is what he intends to after he's complete. And I don't actually think mokuton is the Senju thing, but there's nothing else we really know about Hashirama, and maybe Kabuto's secret coffin is the Senju ancestor, he'd possess the unknown physical jutsu and it'd be a pretty cool way for it to be revealed.
     
         
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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Quote Originally Posted by GregTheGamer View Post
    Tobi explains that the powers of the Sage were split between two brothers, one inherited the Sage's 'eyes' and his spiritual energy, whilst the other inherited the Sage's 'body' and his physical vitality. Tobi references Nagato as being the third of six paths. I doubt he's talking about the six paths of pain, since Nagato as the 'real' Pain, possessed the powers of all six. I think that the six paths Tobi mentioned are six seperate bloodline limits in the shinobi world, which, when combined, give one the powers of the original Sage (minus the Juubi). If his powers divided once they could divide again after all. This would mean there are three dojutsu, and three 'body' bloodline limits, and hey ho the only three known dojutsu in the series (that I'm aware of) are the Rinnegan, the Sharingan and the Byakugan. Whilst the Byakugan's significance has only seemed to decrease since its introduction, it was mentioned by Kakashi - I think when Neji fought Hinata, that it was the predecessor to the Sharingan, and Kishimoto has shown us repeatedly that little details always come back at some point. As for the other three, I think the longevity of the Uzumaki must be one, and possibly the mokuton from the Senju clan, which like the Sharingan might only expresses itself in certain members. The final path... who knows? There's a strong parallel between Uchiha and Senju, the Uzumaki clan were described as a branch of the Senju clan, and the Hyuuga are supposedly related - at least through their eyes - with the Uchiha. Chapter 520 would indicate there was only ever one Rinnegan, the Sage's, so perhaps the last path is also something that was unique to the Sage (maybe Kabuto literally has the Sage's body lol)
    i had this EXACT theory, no joke! and my friend thought that the final (sixth) path might've been the SO6P himself, though i don't think so. i think the sixth path is a combination of the few who were/are able to handle the bijuu in their body's (Jinchuuriki). there could've been one that was the actual path and he branched off into the jinchuuriki's we no. but that's a very weak theroy
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    wood element was a bloodline limit only the first hokage could use. thanks to orochimaru yamato is the second. and danzou is the third but he couldnt control it.
    I know it was a bloodline limit I just don't think it was a path.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    hes the path himself what dont you get even madara said it. agent
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

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    hes the path himself what dont you get even madara said it. agent
    Because he was a Senju not just because of his wood element. Wood element just allows him to control tailed beasts, that doesnt make it a path... Senju= path Uchiha= path. Senju+ Uchiha= Izanagi. He could have easily gotten a path from Tobirama but he fought Hashirama.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    Madara called nagato this,


    third of the SageS of sixth paths.

    That S mean plural for sage. Make a note of that.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    From Chapter 510: Page 12 'I am Uchiha Madara, the man who obtained Senju Hashirama's powers! Two of the six paths are now one being' He also looks at Nagato on page 16 and says 'You are the third of the six[th] paths' I assume it's six not sixth and sixth was just a translation error or something. So we know for a fact that Uchiha Madara and Senju Hashirama were both paths, if the parallels Kishi's set up mean anything at all I think it's safe to assume that Naruto and Sasuke are also paths. We are left with Nagato and... we hit a wall, where is Nagato's complimentary path? The fact is that he doesn't have one, he would've been introduced during the Pain arc. It could be that Tobi was referring to the Rinnegan (of which I think there is only one pair) itself which he gave to Nagato, the Sage's eyes are a path all on their own, and then the mysterious last path is the Sage's 'body' which DOES compliment the Sage's eyes. Of course the Sage's actual body is probably rotting into dust by now, so when it says that the younger brother inherited the Sage's body and physical vitality by body it must mean something that was unique about the Sage's body, some kind of physical jutsu. The only thing I can think of is the mokuton... but that doesn't quite fit, people like Yamato and Danzo got mokuton from Hashirama's cells, not Sage cells, unless Hashirama was given the mokuton as well it doesn't fit the trend.
     
         

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    Re: Sage of the 'Six Paths'

    I think to be a path you need to master one of the bloodline limits inherited from the Sage, that way not everybody with a sharingan would've been a path, neither would everyone of Senju - i.e Tsunade and her little brother - be paths. So 1) Madara became a path when he obtained the EMS, the pinnacle of the sharingan. 2) Hashirama became a path when he obtained the pinnacle of the unknown Senju/Uzumaki kekkai genkai. 3) Nagato reached the pinnacle of the rinnegan at some point, although what this point is is unknown, perhaps the ability to revive the dead. 4) Sasuke is/will be a path when his EMS is settled. 5) Naruto is/will be a path when he reaches the pinnacle of the Uzumaki/Senju kekkai genkai. 6) Unknown character, unlikely to be another EMS, or a rinnegan, can't imagine it being a byakugan user even though theoretically if it's descended from the Sage's eyes it could be. I think Jiraiya knew about the kekkai genkai of the Senju/Uzumaki, but using/awakening it is very difficult/dangerous, it probably requires tailed beast quantities of chakra to awaken, which means you need to have mastered a tailed beast first to obtain it, Hashirama controlled tailed beasts with his mokuton. Remember when that toad gave Naruto the seal key, he said it would help him master 'that jutsu', I think 'that jutsu' is either the Uzumaki/Senju kekkai genkai or it unlocks it. Therefore the final path, if it isn't someone with the Sage's eyes, is someone with the younger brothers kekkai genkai, so the final path will need to be capable of controlling a tailed beast somehow, not neccesarily as a jinchuuriki either. I've always thought mokuton was a pretty nifty technique to have, but it never seemed in the same league as EMS, what's wood gonna do against eternal flame but burn. If Hashirama were to beat Madara he'd have needed something on par with EMS, an equal/opposite counterpart, and Naruto's gonna need something similar too, cos even controlling the kyuubi alone doesn't compare with EMS imo.
     
         
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