The argument, is shinra tensei 360 degrees or not? Proof it isn't and kiri is fine.

[Kansas Bred]

Just like Sasuke can make a ball of fire, or a dragon of fire. They're two different techniques with two different names based on the same "element" (gravity in this case).

No, Fail. That was probably the worst analogy i've ever heard.

[Faust]

In most instances Shinra tensei is used, its been 360 degree, we've seen some smaller scale shinra tensei where its only half a circle, but the one Large scale shinra tensei we've seen, has been 360 degree.

Now lets assume that you can control if its 360 degree or not, you'd have to describe how you use it.
If there is not enough description, that means that its the default way of using it, the way that has been shown the most times in the anime and manga, which is 360 degree.

So even if you could control it, you lacked description in your move, and didn't specify how you use it, therefore you used it 360 degree, the default way.

Agreed, just as I said in the thread, his move lacks description. End of conversation.

[Raiden..]

Yes he just said "ulitmate shinra tensei"

[Nagato..]

Pain doesnt even need to stick out his hands to pull someone towards him... He can contorl gravity, period..

Watch the beginning of this vid..

[~Hasashi~]

@Mugi, faust,and raiden: WTF? He only uses 360 degree shinra tensei 2-3 times. Most of the time it is a directed shinra tensei, so I would have to specify I used a shinra tensei was 360, no vice versa.

But for a minute let's assume I had to specify that I directed it, "uses ultimate shinrei tensei and blasts you back to konoha*" The key word is "you" indicating that I directed it at eddy, so if you want to talk about specifying then technically I did specify where I was directing the shinra tensei. Although I didn't even have to specify.


@nagato: Yes, nexus gave his judgement, nexus has also said in the past that wiki is ALWAYS right, I brought proof from wiki that proved my point, guess we have a problem here.

Via NarutoWiki, the proccess of a large scale Shinra Tensei is that ''A massive gravity well is created above the target, crushing everything beneath in a titanic explosion'' indicating that it works almost as if a large pillar of gravity falls onto a singular spot, or a singularity - in this case, ground zero. A gravity well ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_well ) is created, by example, of the gravitational effect of an extremely heavy/dense object.
Therefore, it could be said that Shinra Tensei on this scale functions by creating an area of incredibly dense energy/mass (likely, of chakra), and then thrusting it down into Konoha (again, this explains the initial impact). Since Shinra Tensei is translated as "Almight Push", and via the effects of the jutsu, it is clear that the gravational effect is outward rather than inward, which further
explains the growth of the shockwave. The impact crator is created by the initial impact of the superdense mass, and then the resulting "explosion/shockwave" that we see is the effects of the gravity well - the gravity is moving outward, away from the mass.

@Bahamut:
1.) There is no proof to either, you could say both theories are correct with the same evidence.

2.) Yes, but if that were the case it would have expanded differently. Kishi apparently found it necessary to point out that a shockwave rumbles through konoha, as instantly after the shinra tensei is used it goes and shows the shockwave. Plus if it was the tip of the sphere hitting the ground it would be 100% impossible to see it, it would be less than a millionth of a second.

And if it expands from the center of his body, which everyone says it does, than 100 feet(give or take) off the ground would have turned it into a HUGE orb by the time it hit ground zero

3.) touche.


None of you have given me legit proof shinra tensei is 360 degrees in a large scale case, all you are doing is theorizing. I'm giving a theory and backing it up, the only one close to backing it up is bahamut and he doesn't have strong enough evidence.


P.S. On a side note, I couldn't care less about kiri. I am doing this because multiple people pointed out I was an idiot for using it like that. I'm proving I wasn't.

[~Hasashi~]

Pain doesnt even need to stick out his hands to pull someone towards him... He can contorl gravity, period..

Watch the beginning of this vid..

Manipulation of gravity are his 2 jutsu, are you gonna say sasuke can manipulate fire but if he spits a fireball without saying a name it isn't fireball jutsu? No, because that's absurd. Same thing here. What you are saying is that pein is using a jutsu without using a jutsu, that doesn't make any sense.

[Aero]

360!!!!!!

[Nagato..]

Manipulation of gravity are his 2 jutsu, are you gonna say sasuke can manipulate fire but if he spits a fireball without saying a name it isn't fireball jutsu? No, because that's absurd. Same thing here. What you are saying is that pein is using a jutsu without using a jutsu, that doesn't make any sense.

Actually I was just making a random statement.... "Look, no hands.."

[Hot.Tendo]

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well, from what I've watched in the anime... a regular shinra tensei(like what pein used on kakashi) is not a 360 attack but if it's an ultimate or large-scale shinra tensei... then I think it's a 360

[Zero Kelvin]

, i've just read this, and every time some of you veterans post here, i'm seriously laughing, how the hell can you say that the New-G is so serious and fights over everything??? When you've used so many pages, (including the last thread) discussing the same shit, whether Hasashi destroyed his own fictional village, or not.

If you did, well too bad, or actually nice, because that will give your co-villagers something to do, like rebuilding the village, and if you didn't, then you've just ignored what Nexus said. Nexus is an admin, his word is final, unless more admins disagree with him, simple as that, if he says the sun is blue, then the sun is blue on NB, and that's final.
This is a Naruto RPG, but it's still isn't owned by Kishimoto, or anyone related to the Naruto serie, and that's why the admins can do whatever they want, they have no responsible to Kishi, if they want devil fruits to be allowed here, then they are. An admins word is final, even if it goes agains his/her previous statement, then you listen to his/her newest statement, not the oldest one. For gods sake, this is RPG, why so frikin serious, be happy instead of being RL mad about the internet...

[Nero]

In my opinion its chakra and he can release it however he pleases. Because chakra can be manipulated and gravity for pein can be manipulated also upon release.

[Kansas Bred]

Pain doesnt even need to stick out his hands to pull someone towards him... He can contorl gravity, period..

Watch the beginning of this vid..

Thanks for posting this video, Now if pein doesn't have to use his hands to pull things inward because he is the center. So when he puts up his hands I'm sure that when he uses his hands that's where he is directing it, unless it's for dramatic effect. Which would be really stupid to do when you could just not let the opponent know your doing anything.


Now the reason you may think his ultimate shinra tensei was 360 is bacause the crater? If you think about it, He went way up in the air to push force down and to the left & right since he did have both hands up in each direction. So to me I think its all up to him.

[Alucard]

It can't be proved you or them are right, because the technique was only used once. It wasn't used more times in a different way, neither more times in the same way, so i think we can't prove nothing here.

[Kushan]

Personal opinions aside, with the current RP system, isn't Nexus's word final, so whether he's right or wrong according to your individual opinions, it has no baring over the matter any more, he's called it as he sees it and that's the end of it.

There were some questionable moves made in this from all sides, arguing about it now serves no purpose, but again that's just my opinion.

[Typhon]

No, Fail. That was probably the worst analogy i've ever heard.

lol, Care to explain why? Because it clearly makes sense.

Pein pushing things away (Shinra Tensei) and him pulling things towards him (Bansho Tenin) are two completely different techniques.

But Alucard's post is probably the most accurate one in this thread. Since it was only used once and its invisible, its literally impossible to prove it one way or the other unless Kishi chimes in.

Unfortunately for Kiri, it seems the general consensus is that its a 360 degree attack.

[Yüme]

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Akatsuki time for Hasashi.

[~Hasashi~]

Ok people ^^ Nexus just changed his verdict, kiri is not destroyed and is perfectly capable of taking part in the war.

(couldn't get the whole convo in the screenshot, it was a rather long convo)

[Zero Kelvin]

Ok people ^^ Nexus just changed his verdict, kiri is not destroyed and is perfectly capable of taking part in the war.

(couldn't get the whole convo in the screenshot, it was a rather long convo)

And Bam, like that anything Nexus might have said before about this doesn't count, no matter what proof people might find, Kiri is now perfectly well...

[Shuusai]

Oh. Yay kirigakure is fine

[Magellan]

So lets get it on!

[Ishikage]

360 degrees on what axis? A cone could have done it with the wide part at the bottom. Or a cylinder like a hammer head. A saw blade is 360 degrees, but would only have made a slice. The terms are ill defined. There are many possibilities.

IRL, Gravitational Force is a vector value towards the center of mass. Reversing it would result in an outward vector in all directions creating a sphere. If the technique truly manipulates gravity, that would be the most likely scenario.

But I just like seeing my words on the screen.

Don't mind me, I'm just a distraction......

[Nikkou Arashi]

360 degrees on what axis? A cone could have done it with the wide part at the bottom. Or a cylinder like a hammer head. A saw blade is 360 degrees, but would only have made a slice. The terms are ill defined. There are many possibilities.

IRL, Gravitational Force is a vector value towards the center of mass. Reversing it would result in an outward vector in all directions creating a sphere. If the technique truly manipulates gravity, that would be the most likely scenario.

But I just like seeing my words on the screen.

Don't mind me, I'm just a distraction......

Yay! Too bad I missed this thread on time. Pardon my intrusion. You may disregard my post, I just can't help but agree with the above statement. And that is, Shinra Tensei (spell it) being a Gravitational Force released outward from the center of a mass who was Deva Path. The force released creates a spherical orb as it moves outward from the center to every direction. And this is why he had to go high up in the air.

If Deva Path did not go high up in the air, the crater would might be just as deep as the radius of Konoha's circular area which might be harmful to the entire Fire Country, or more.

He rose high up in the air, with just the right radius needed to create the spherical surface area that will hit Konoha and create a crater with just the right depth. This is a little hard to explain but, check your Geometry for radius, area, circumference and spherical surface areas.

Therefore, doing the Shinra Tensei on the ground would just destroy everything around the user.

As I said though, I'm just agreeing to the statement above me. The statement being a fact that can be proven with mathematical equation.
Peace!

[veggetta13]

you destroyed your village....speechless *******

[kanesannin]

Last i checked, naruto was a fictional series which routinely disobeyed the laws of physics. Not trying to insult anybody, just pointing out that many things are open to interpretation.

[Nikkou Arashi]

Last i checked, naruto was a fictional series which routinely disobeyed the laws of physics. Not trying to insult anybody, just pointing out that many things are open to interpretation.

I haven't really seen anything that totally disobeyed any laws of physics and even nature for the matter in this series. Writers don't just grasp their ideas from nowhere. A fiction is something that is extraordinaire, actually. It is an exaggeration of a pertaining fact, or usage of what is impossible. That is what consists an awesome fiction. And that is what's happening in Naruto. For one, the ability of a person to use gravity and pressure, even to the point of reversing gravity - that is an awesome exaggeration. A brilliant thought, a brilliant imagination.A fiction not just grabbed out of nowhere.

That's why authors like Kishi are getting such high praises because his ideas, impossible as they seem, the possibility of its taking place comes with a logical explanation.