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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Hmm. Pretty sure he was stronger and it was stated here from Tobi's observation
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/6
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Please re-read this excellent post. Danzo > Sasuke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Danzo View Post
    Judging from the way the battle went and the conditions it followed it would be logical to assume Danzo was the stronger person, but the conditions favored Sasuke. At the beginning of the battle Danzo was incapable of using Shisui's eye due to using the mind control ability at the Kage summit. This is a HUGE disadvantage. Its never been hinted that Danzo could use the eyes in his arm for sight, so not being able to use Shisui's eye takes away all the advantages the sharingan brings to the table. Not to mention it was shown that Danzo was quite skilled with the sharingan.

    Then you have to account for the fact that it wasn't Sasuke, but Karin who discovered the secret of Izanagi. This was important to Sasuke winning as it let him devise a plan on how to defeat Danzo.

    Last but not least at the end of the fight Sasuke was practically out of chakra. Had he not taken a bite out of Karin and regained his strength, theres a good chance that Danzo could have still won after being stabbed and losing the shodaime enhanced arm due to regaining the use of Shisui's eye.

    Even Madara says "Even though he couldn't use Shisui's eyes. . .you did good in defeating Danzo. . .Sasuke" hinting at the fact that the lack of Shisui's eye was a big problem for Danzo.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/9


    So given all of that, I think its pretty clear that if Danzo and Sasuke had met at random by themselves and fought, Danzo would have won the battle.
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Both sides have had their advantage and disadvantage

    Sasuke:

    - He knew nothing about Danzou or his techs.
    - Just gained MS and was new with it also was not trained the way Itachi
    - He was never at a 100% to begin with Bee rips him open, Raikage owns him and than Mizukage battle he got knocked out
    - Tobi sends Karin to heal him as much as she can but obviously in that time span no way he was back at a 100% in that battle.

    Danzou:

    - He must've had a lot of knowledge on Uchiha's, Sharingan and MS techs.
    - An incomplete Izanagi which did help him in his battle
    - This guy was ready to take on Tobi and take his eye. The same went with Sasuke, which shows he was 100% prepared


    He insulted Sasuke because his genjutsu was nothing compared to Itachi but his downfall was a weak genjutsu Sasuke used on him. In that battle Tobi said from observation point Sasuke was the stronger one thats only because Shisui eye was not being used but he used a tech. from shisui a few pages after to get to Karin

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/12

    He obviously didn't want to waste Shisui eye with Izanagi which is why he couldn't decided as Tobi stated to use it on Izanagi or Genjutsu

    Therefore personally I'll stick with Tobi from the way we observed this battle Sasuke was the stronger
     
         
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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by MS Itachi View Post
    Both sides have had their advantage and disadvantage

    Sasuke:

    - He knew nothing about Danzou or his techs.
    - Just gained MS and was new with it also was not trained the way Itachi
    - He was never at a 100% to begin with Bee rips him open, Raikage owns him and than Mizukage battle he got knocked out
    - Tobi sends Karin to heal him as much as she can but obviously in that time span no way he was back at a 100% in that battle.

    Danzou:

    - He must've had a lot of knowledge on Uchiha's, Sharingan and MS techs.
    - An incomplete Izanagi which did help him in his battle
    - This guy was ready to take on Tobi and take his eye. The same went with Sasuke, which shows he was 100% prepared


    He insulted Sasuke because his genjutsu was nothing compared to Itachi but his downfall was a weak genjutsu Sasuke used on him. In that battle Tobi said from observation point Sasuke was the stronger one thats only because Shisui eye was not being used but he used a tech. from shisui a few pages after to get to Karin

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/12

    He obviously didn't want to waste Shisui eye with Izanagi which is why he couldn't decided as Tobi stated to use it on Izanagi or Genjutsu

    Therefore personally I'll stick with Tobi from the way we observed this battle Sasuke was the stronger
    Sasuke was actually fully healed by Karin after Tobi rescued him from the summit. Danzo can only use Shisui's eye once a day. He already used it in the summit and couldn't use it during battle. This eye was a vital weapon to Danzo AND Tobi confirmed this. Karin was the one who found out about Danzo's Izanagi which helped Sasuke. Again, the battle ended in both of them falling after stabbing each other. Karin healed Sasuke, Danzo gets up and takes Karin as hostage without being healed, had Karin not healed Sasuke, what would have happened? U can't possibly say that Sasuke and Danzo were equally matched. Even while he was dying, he was capable of sealing Sasuke and Tobi saved him. Sure u can give Sasuke credit for taking on a Konoha elder but there's no way that he could have beaten him without his "alias".

    Danzo > Sasuke had it been a one on one without anyone interfering.
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Inception View Post
    Sasuke was actually fully healed by Karin after Tobi rescued him from the summit. Danzo can only use Shisui's eye once a day. He already used it in the summit and couldn't use it during battle. This eye was a vital weapon to Danzo AND Tobi confirmed this. Karin was the one who found out about Danzo's Izanagi which helped Sasuke. Again, the battle ended in both of them falling after stabbing each other. Karin healed Sasuke, Danzo gets up and takes Karin as hostage without being healed, had Karin not healed Sasuke, what would have happened? U can't possibly say that Sasuke and Danzo were equally matched. Even while he was dying, he was capable of sealing Sasuke and Tobi saved him. Sure u can give Sasuke credit for taking on a Konoha elder but there's no way that he could have beaten him without his "alias".

    Danzo > Sasuke had it been a one on one without anyone interfering.
    I see where your coming from their but see a win is a win a loss is a loss and thats the way it will be. Naruto and Pein's fight than Naruto shouldn't get credit since he had a ton of help and than also Pein wasn't trying to kill him but the fact is with the intel he pulled it off and the same goes with Sasuke except Danzou was trying to kill him (So with whatever he had he went all out pretty much). Also Sasuke help was something needed becuase he knew nothing about the Danzou and his tech. like I mentioned so that's like saying you send a 16 year old to war without much training. Obviously Danzou would've won the one on one since Sasuke would've had no clue on what his tech's were and would find out the hard way. I still disagree with Sasuke being at 100% I'd have to say between 75-80% first off he got tooken to school by Deidara, Itachi owned him, KB ripped him apart (Put a hole in him and Jugo saved him), Raikage nailed him, and than the Kage summit he got knocked out. One thing with Sasuke is the second he can move he'll start moving and he'll go get his ass kicked again and rest for a bit and start moving. Theirs a reason why Kishi hid Sasuke for now becuase he will be at a 100% with EMS and battle with Naruto will begin (Which will be EPIC!)

    A few more things I could've added but too lazy LOL
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Yeah, Sasuke deserves credit for going up against a Konoha Elder one on one just as Naruto does for going against all of Pain's body. Naruto would've lost had it not been for the information on each body and Hinata's intervention.

    There cannot be a winner without a loser and in this case, Naruto won vs. Pain and Sasuke vs. Danzo but this thread is asking had it been a fair one on one without anyone's intervention, who would be stronger?
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Inception View Post
    Yeah, Sasuke deserves credit for going up against a Konoha Elder one on one just as Naruto does for going against all of Pain's body. Naruto would've lost had it not been for the information on each body and Hinata's intervention.

    There cannot be a winner without a loser and in this case, Naruto won vs. Pain and Sasuke vs. Danzo but this thread is asking had it been a fair one on one without anyone's intervention, who would be stronger?
    Well I know thats what the topic is about. Danzou would win if it was one on one with no interference but you see it's because he would have an advantage over Sasuke either way. The same would go with Pein and Naruto. I'd rather discuss about Itachi VS Danzou one on one than a emotional Sasuke who spams MS
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by MS Itachi View Post
    Well I know thats what the topic is about. Danzou would win if it was one on one with no interference but you see it's because he would have an advantage over Sasuke either way. The same would go with Pein and Naruto. I'd rather discuss about Itachi VS Danzou one on one than a emotional Sasuke who spams MS
    Well even Danzo knew he was no match against Itachi. How do I know?
    Danzo didn't even dare to touch one of Sasuke's hair.
    And when the third passed away... Itachi gave a little visit to Konoha meaning: Yeah I know he won't protect my bro anymore but hey... I'm still there!
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Sasuke I think
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Sasuke won because he was more powerful and smarter than Danzo. I mean, if you kill someone ten times, it is pretty set in stone that you are more powerful, meanwhile Danzo was incapable of getting past Susano'o. The most he did was graze Sasuke and only did a serious injury when Sasuke went in for a mutual strike. He tricked Danzo into telling him how Izanagi worked and ultimately won because he tricked Danzo with genjutsu. He even used the Baku's suction against Danzo, and this was a Sasuke who wasn't at his intellectual best. People love to accredit his victory to Tobi or Karin, but Tobi did absolutely nothing and Karin healed him after the fight ended and Danzo admitted defeat. Of course, there will ever be is people who accredit Sasuke's work to other people or circumstances, but the fact is there, present in chapter 480. Danzo, admits defeat, Tobi says Sasuke is better than him, and that is that.
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Inception View Post
    Danzo beat Sasuke's Tsukiyomi which is said to be only broken by a Uchiha. It was actually a tie as they were both stabbed by each other. Karin healed Sasuke, Madara saved him from the sealing jutsu. We all knew Sasuke wasn't going to die and that Danzo was not needed anymore. I give Sasuke credit for going one on one with a Konoha elder.

    Naruto did beat 6 bodies of Pain only because of the intel on each of them and Hinata's intervention. Pain isn't weak, he fought Jiraiya, killed him and then headed straight for Konoha. Would Naruto stand a chance without the information on each body? No.
    Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi, nor is his genjutsu comparable to Itachi's as was stated in the fight, nor did Danzo break Sasuke's technique, even once. Karin healed Sasuke at the end of the fight and Tobi did nothing. He was going to warp and stopped because Sasuke didn't need his help. Read the manga better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    lmao so some one going against a super sayian sasuke (joke because he is to overpowered for no reason), a full ss1 and ss2 susano'o and amaterasu anddddddd tsukyomi, andddddddddddddddddd karin healing him,andddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd madara/tobi having sasuke back and was using him to begin with. and thru all that he survived and almost killed sasuke even tho he wasted 3 sharingans to measure sasukes power to begin with. and he never used his full power (shuishi's eye/powers which he was saving for tobi) he lost because he underestimated sasuke. not because he was weak or sorry.. dude re-read the manga (no offence)
    He is overpowered? How is he overpowered when all his opponents are on his level? And Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi. Karin healed him at the end of the fight and Madara did nothing. And almost killed Sasuke three times? I only recall one time, the time he had Sasuke in the seal. Also, he wasn't saving anything. He couldn't use Koto Amatsukami 'cause he used it at the summit. He lost because he both underestimated Sasuke, and because he was weaker. Oh, and he was stupider than Sasuke too.
     
         

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    Re: danzo vs sasuke ???

    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    Well I know thats what the topic is about. Danzou would win if it was one on one with no interference but you see it's because he would have an advantage over Sasuke either way. The same would go with Pein and Naruto. I'd rather discuss about Itachi VS Danzou one on one than a emotional Sasuke who spams MS
    No one interfered in the fight. Did you see Tobi do anything? Karin tried to help, but Sasuke figured out Izanagi on his own and Karin got kicked when she tried to save him. The only thing she did was heal him when the fight was over.
     
         

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