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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    i agree with omningan sasuke is going to turn on madara and the things madara said so far i believe is thru except for him lying to sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Floydical View Post

    Hey SageHokage. Are you talking about the 'that jutsu' that I remember Jiraya referring to in chapter 370? If so I simply believe that this 'that jutsu' is referring to his total mastery of the Kyubi's chakra within him. If that is the case, then he has already mastered it .
    I agree 'that jutsu' is the kyubbi cloak.. without the key to his seal, naruto couldn't use the kyuubi cloak to its potential .. Gama-toad(?) said that with the key Naruto could finally use 'that jutsu'.. J-man and Naruto also trained with the cloak, which is how he got the huge scar across his chest, Naruto lost control at 4-tail form because of the evil kyuubi mind. So Naruto's current Kyuubi cloak may not be 'that jutsu' anymore, because the cloak transformed beyond what any of them imagined, and now he may have to work towards other jutsu's as we have been seeing...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    yo uhipooped i think sasuke ems might actually look like ur profile pic
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnigan
    Pervy-nin! Thanks for the post man!
    I'm not sure about the kyuubi giving Naruto the Fire element.
    Here is why i think that: I believe that the Kyuubi molds his own chakra into fire.
    Naruto does not know how to do this, as far as we know he might not even be able to, ever. I'm not sure we will even see much Element/Sage Chakra from Naruto. Realize that now he has access to the Kyuubi's chakra. It is SUPER powerful. He is going to create a Rasengan out of THAT chakra. That beats the hell out of a Wind Rasengan or a Sage Rasengan any day of the week that ends with Y. In effect, a tailed beast bomb in the palm of his hands. I believe, and will predict that Naruto could even nearly pierce a Susanoo with it. Which we know to be nearly impenetrable. The tailed beast bomb delivered via Naruto's Rasengan is going to be absolutely devastating, and I eagerly await its release. It is a technique that is nasty with regular chakra, even nastier if enhanced with sage chakra, and super nasty enchanced with Wind Element. Imagine how destructive it will be if created from the Kyuubi's chakra. It could kill anyone instantly on impact. Nice question about Kyuubi's Chakra Elements, though.
    I hope my response helped.
    Omnigan, you're welcome for the post and thank you for the quick repost!

    I see what you speak, and I can agree. However, I would like to raise the stance the Naruto's current form will be the closet he reaches to being the So6P. Each of his paths will continue to grow more powerful and the one's he is unaware of: uchiha, and maybe senju will be reveled to him. In conclusion Naruto will be a somewhat incomplete version of the So6P, before becoming a true second coming of So6P. I say this because he will not gain all elemental chakra, which I believe needs to be done in order to complete "that path", and he won't becoming the jinchuuriki of the juubi until defeating the second juubi's jinchuuriki, Tobi-Madara. You may see that I have a prediction for the ending of Tobi-Madara's story and hopefully not the Naruto story, but i'll get to that in the finale, so if you don't want to read that i'll tell you when to stop! I digress though. Let me state why all elemental chakra need to be mastered for the elemental path to be complete...

    1. Each path must be completed to stand a chance against the Juubi. Whether So6P knew he needed to master these paths to defeat the randomly appearing juubi, or his mastery of the six domains before the juubi's appearance made him capable of achieving such a task. It doesn't much matter, but I digress yet again.
    2. The juubi is made up of all the other tailed beast, which I would have to assume means the juubi can use all four elemental releases, maybe even ying and yang release. 3. Expanding on two, the So6P would have needed each elemental chakra to counter whatever elemental chakra the juubi used during their fight.
    4. Tobi-Madara knows of this fact and that's why he is using the rinnegan, even if he is utilizing it's power early to sway the battle tide is irrelevant. His ultimate goal is to release and control the juubi, a task the won't be easily achieved, even with all the six paths complete.
    5. Ying and yang release were used to rip apart the beast, and I believe they need to be used to recreate the beast again.
    6. Considering all four points there is no doubt that in order to fully complete the elemental path all element releases must be mastered
    7. If all other paths are obtained(discussed in earlier post), then one can become a virtual spitting image of So6P. This shinobi's dream will be realized by Tobi-Madara, and i'll state why...

    If you don't want to know my prediction of how this current story will end, then don't read on...

    The Juubi is to epic of a beast to not be seen in action during the story. I believe we will see him, because Tobi-Madara will fight and control him. Yes he will gain the Hachibi and Kyuubi, but Naruto and maybe Bee will survive. Tobi-Madara will gain the kyuubi from naurto's defeat during a fight with Sasuke. Tobi-Madara will betray Sauske in someway resulting in diminished power, perhaps there is a catch to any ems, or T-M rigged Itachi's eyes before giving them to Sasuke, but Tobi-Madara will expose this. After the events unravel Sauske will see the light. This will result in Naruto and Sasuke teaming up to fight Tobi-Madara and defeating him, because of their own unique great powers, not because of the nine-tails or sasuke utilizing itachi's eyes, just his own. Each will create their own special legend, not one that lingers in other shinboi's shadows. If this current story were to end like this, then things would come full circle in a way...descendants of the uchiha and senju (sasuke and naruto) put there hatred aside to fight beside one another ushering in a new era of peace. Maybe Naruto takes on the juubi as well and becomes the second So6P.

    Omnigan, you don't need to respond to any of this babble, I was just quoting you to show the meaning of this post. Any nin can respond with question, comments, and concerns. I will answer them as best I can.

    I do have additional questions that aren't trivial and I suspect the answer is supposed to be ambiguous, because the questions are only raised due to pitfalls that kishi can't avoid, because he is writing such a rich and complex story.

    1. Madara's main goal was to destroy Konoha and avenge his "betrayal". After some time in hiding he comes back wanting to destroy Konoha again and almost did so. After yet another defeat and time away he remerges with a new goal (moon's eye plan) to usher in his from of peace. Why did his goals change suddenly? Maybe those were his plans when naruto was born, and when he took control of the nine-tails he figured he'd destroy the village for fun. Seems to be too much of risk to sacrifice his greater plan because of two hokages being alive at the time! So, I think his intentions were just to destroy the village back then. Again why the change in his goals?

    2. What made Nagato so special that Tobi-Madara wanted to give him "his" rinnegan. Kushina was a powerful uzumaki, why not her?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by rinnsharingan View Post
    yo uhipooped i think sasuke ems might actually look like ur profile pic
    yeah it was the only way to marry them together like Madara's EMS .. as Madara's MS was on the inside with Izuna's MS making up the outter ring ..
    so it made sense to do the same here.. Sasuke's on the inside and Itachi's on the outside..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Okay I think that you might have went over the top with your rebuttle but think about this. If the 4th was out there then he could use his FGT and kill everybody on the battle field. He could teleport himself across the field before they even knew he was there. And also naruto only has part of the fox chakra. And here is something naruto is about to go into God mode here in a few
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    As far as I think these two are just random guys Kishi made right now showing them very strong to make the battles more interesting.

    those two are not random guys, those two are responsible for the death of the 2nd Hokage so they are very tough indeed!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    if naruto loses the nine tails would he still have its chakara cause the 4th said he seal the ying part in naruto
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Pervy-nin,
    I know you said I didnt have to respond, and I dont feel obligated, more inspired.
    I hope its okay if I address some of your questions/thoughts.
    I'll try to keep it short.

    In regards to why Nagato and not someone like Kushina, I can only say that Madara wants to be in control. With Kushina being the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, that lends her an edge against him. It would be like giving the eyes to Naruto. NOT a good idea. Not only that, she was in the village of Konoha, he would never hand is sacred possession to the enemy. Nagato was a good idea, because he was a rebel without a cause, to be cliche. He was a rogue ninja, maybe not at the time, but definitely later due to some influence most likely by Madara. He shaped Nagato's world. Set him on a particular path that Madara could control and keep Nagato in his pocket. Thats why Nagato.

    In regards to Mardara's goal to crush Konoha, I agree it interesting that he would change goals, but it's not like he downgraded from wanting to kill a whole village to wanting to kill only one individual. He actually upgraded his scheme. He was like, FINE! If I can't kill you all (which i've failed 2x) then I will simply achieve so much power, that you will be powerless to resist me. What's better than killing your enemy? Forcing him to submit to you! I use an example of the movie 300. With King Leonidas and God King Xerxes. Xerxes was in a position to kill him, especially at the end. But he still held out hope that Leonidas would submit to him, an even greater victory. I think Madara is the same. His previous loses have forced him to change his method/plans. Now he is possibly even more insane and hell bent on doing harm than he ever was before. He doesn't just want to kill everyone, he wants to take the only thing that truly matters -- FREEDOM. Thats my take on it anyways.

    I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.

    Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
    I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.

    And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
    Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post

    I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.

    Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
    I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.

    And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
    Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.
    Nagato mastered them all as a 10yo kid. (375/11)
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Nice reference, I wondered where that came from.
    "they led him to master" "wholly unprecedented"
    The Rinnengan. One hell of a doujutsu, wouldn't you agree?
    Nothing makes you invincible though.
    I didn't see all those elements./techniques save Nagato from Naruto.
    Thanks for the chapter reference, bub.
    Just really proves my point even more, though.
    You can have all the jutsu or elements you want...its not what you have, its how you use it. Naruto has proven this time and again.
    Having all the elements isn't a requirement to winning a fight, not vs a human, not vs a so called god, not even vs the baddest monster of all, the Juubi.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Well One Guess That I have for the 6th Coffin Is the Saratobi Hiruzen Might just be the In Last Coffin.Madara Would be Scare because of the Death Reaper Seal That could seal away Madara's Soul So that kabuto can take advantage and for him to rule the world with some motive. maybe he wants sasuke so he could get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Do the same plan as Madara Who knows maybe its not the Saratobi in that last Coffin It might just be The Sage of Six Paths That what I think..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by shadpow View Post
    Hi guys I have a theory.... When Oro summoned 1st nd 2nd hokages to battle 3rd he (Oro) was not participating in battle at all, he was just keeping the distance and kabuto is here doing the same... I believe thts the shortcoming of the technique tht the user has to constantly supress the Summoned soul in his control or else they will not fight or return never to come back... I think someone (may be shikamru ) will notice this and they will trap kabuto to find and he will not have time to controll the summonings... the gud Suommonings like Chiyo, Asuma... and others will fight of Zetsus and return to their pure world...... then Saske will enter.... By this time even Naruto had mastered the Fox chakra rasengan... and he will feel Saske's chakra.....He will rush to the battle field (Now he can move so fast that it would almost be like FTG)... Now we have Sake with the story told by madara how Nine tails was nature and Naruto who knows Madara released.... Towards the end of battle Saske realizes Naruto is correct as,... He tries to release nine tails inside naruto but as now he posses Itachis eyes the Itachis memories (Itachis gift) will play its part as Itatchi did guess Saske will take his eye and will definitely fight Naruto... So now Saske willl believ in naruto.... but Madara/tobi will capture Saske as he wuld have weakened with Narutos fight.. and we will get to know more and final battle will began between Naruto & Madara.. as the TOAD sage predicted... Naruto will fight a certain Person with Great Power in his eyes.. by this time only madara will have 5 paths of 6 and Naruto wuld be last Path.... Ultimately Naruto will defeat Madara and will be enlightened and become Sage of 6 paths..... and MArry Hinata...
    lol nice! i love the last part of it... marry hinata :D:D:D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by shadpow View Post
    Hi guys I have a theory.... When Oro summoned 1st nd 2nd hokages to battle 3rd he (Oro) was not participating in battle at all, he was just keeping the distance and kabuto is here doing the same... I believe thts the shortcoming of the technique tht the user has to constantly supress the Summoned soul in his control or else they will not fight or return never to come back... I think someone (may be shikamru ) will notice this and they will trap kabuto to find and he will not have time to controll the summonings... the gud Suommonings like Chiyo, Asuma... and others will fight of Zetsus and return to their pure world...... then Saske will enter.... By this time even Naruto had mastered the Fox chakra rasengan... and he will feel Saske's chakra.....He will rush to the battle field (Now he can move so fast that it would almost be like FTG)... Now we have Sake with the story told by madara how Nine tails was nature and Naruto who knows Madara released.... Towards the end of battle Saske realizes Naruto is correct as,... He tries to release nine tails inside naruto but as now he posses Itachis eyes the Itachis memories (Itachis gift) will play its part as Itatchi did guess Saske will take his eye and will definitely fight Naruto... So now Saske willl believ in naruto.... but Madara/tobi will capture Saske as he wuld have weakened with Narutos fight.. and we will get to know more and final battle will began between Naruto & Madara.. as the TOAD sage predicted... Naruto will fight a certain Person with Great Power in his eyes.. by this time only madara will have 5 paths of 6 and Naruto wuld be last Path.... Ultimately Naruto will defeat Madara and will be enlightened and become Sage of 6 paths..... and MArry Hinata...
    id hate to be a down'r, but oh well... naruto cares about hinata as a friend and nothing more, even when she gave her life to attempt to save him he was upset by the loss of a friend and snapped as he would have for anyone else in the village for instance, kakashi (if he had witnessed it), shikamaru, ino, sai,kiba,shino,....... the list goes on. the only two people naruto cares about above all others is 1. Sakura, and 2.Sasuke. if he had witnessed ethier of them die he would most likely end up in 7 tailed mode and end up losing complete control within 2-3minutes releasing the full nine tails. hinata is a decent character, but as everyone can see naruto is clearly not interested in her, and he has about 60% of his focus on Sakura. even now sakura is warming up to naruto... its turning into the same thing that minato and naruto's mom went through(i really cant remember her name, its very late so forgive me). in the future of this anime, naruto + Sakura, Naruto+Friendship with Sasuke, Naruto/Sauske VS Madara/Kabuto.= Naruto/Sasuke both living on or dieing. either way neither shall go and die alone. hopefully they become friends again and prevail over madara and become hero's.
     
         

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    lol they always make the girls weak... when r they gonna have some sakura ground pounding butt kicking action? lol
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by USAmiCZka View Post
    Nagato mastered them all as a 10yo kid. (375/11)
    WOW

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/375/11

    we all missed that one , good sh:t

    always thought that when kakashi tested wich element naruto had he was holding back he could have handed him any strip and it would of reacted accept maybe fire just cause i think that what itachi gave him just sum thoughts

    n e way check out that page , good info

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/375/11
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobiran View Post
    Well One Guess That I have for the 6th Coffin Is the Saratobi Hiruzen Might just be the In Last Coffin.Madara Would be Scare because of the Death Reaper Seal That could seal away Madara's Soul So that kabuto can take advantage and for him to rule the world with some motive. maybe he wants sasuke so he could get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Do the same plan as Madara Who knows maybe its not the Saratobi in that last Coffin It might just be The Sage of Six Paths That what I think..
    3rd hokage?? No, he can't be in the last coffin, he can't be summoned via edo tensei... His soul is locked in the reaper death seal.... And as for SO6P, it might be but the chances are extremely less, as he had died thousands of years ago.... But still, its a fantasy world, no one knows who might turn up.... I seriously now think that the six coffin has got something to do with madara's past life, a dark connection, or somethin....
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    Pervy-nin,
    I know you said I didnt have to respond, and I dont feel obligated, more inspired.
    I hope its okay if I address some of your questions/thoughts.
    I'll try to keep it short.

    In regards to why Nagato and not someone like Kushina, I can only say that Madara wants to be in control. With Kushina being the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, that lends her an edge against him. It would be like giving the eyes to Naruto. NOT a good idea. Not only that, she was in the village of Konoha, he would never hand is sacred possession to the enemy. Nagato was a good idea, because he was a rebel without a cause, to be cliche. He was a rogue ninja, maybe not at the time, but definitely later due to some influence most likely by Madara. He shaped Nagato's world. Set him on a particular path that Madara could control and keep Nagato in his pocket. Thats why Nagato.

    In regards to Mardara's goal to crush Konoha, I agree it interesting that he would change goals, but it's not like he downgraded from wanting to kill a whole village to wanting to kill only one individual. He actually upgraded his scheme. He was like, FINE! If I can't kill you all (which i've failed 2x) then I will simply achieve so much power, that you will be powerless to resist me. What's better than killing your enemy? Forcing him to submit to you! I use an example of the movie 300. With King Leonidas and God King Xerxes. Xerxes was in a position to kill him, especially at the end. But he still held out hope that Leonidas would submit to him, an even greater victory. I think Madara is the same. His previous loses have forced him to change his method/plans. Now he is possibly even more insane and hell bent on doing harm than he ever was before. He doesn't just want to kill everyone, he wants to take the only thing that truly matters -- FREEDOM. Thats my take on it anyways.

    I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.

    Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
    I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.

    And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
    Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.
    Perhaps Naruto can master fire, water, earth and lightning with his Kagebunshin in a matter of weeks, but even if he does he still has to learn techniques to use these newfound powers. And that would take too long for him to also appear in this war, so that is out of the window.

    About chakra nature - it seems every person (or at least most) have 1 affinity they are best at and learn the easiest. I guess the other 4 are not that easy and take longer than the first one. Maybe the nature that can defeat the original one (e.g. original is wind, fire can defeat it) will be hardest to learn. And I have no idea how Naruto can learn true Yin-Yang manipulation - yes, non-elemental jutsus use it, but it seems they all use different forms of it. Hence the difference between, say Kage mane and medical ninjutsu, or Mind body transfer. And no one user has shown the ability to use all non-elemental jutsus. I guess Yin-Yang release is the hardest of all chakra manipulations.

    To sum up, there will be no Naruto learning all chakra natures.
     
         

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    ...And minato probably wasted his life using reaper death seal on kyuubi, should have used an uzumaki seal to lock it in naruto, and then he should have raised him to be a strong ninja like himself....... And I don't think that bijuu's have souls, they are referred as "essential chakra monsters" in naruto manga by elder chiyo and karin.... Perhaps they are some modified form of chakra, that SO6P made with his special tranformation jutsu, like nagato made the fake itachi and kisame.... Thats why the fox shrunk in size when minato took out half of its power..... Well, its a fantasy world made by kishi, and who knows what has he kept for the last battle.... Just can't wait for the manga release.... Honestly there should be three manga releases every week, or atleast a long manga chapter of atleast 30 to 40 pages..... Wanna see all the battles....
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    Jabz, thanks for the nice comments, man. I'm glad you like my post. I will try to respond to your post, although some of it is pretty far out there, I might come off a little harsh, so please forgive.
    many thanks for the reply omni, kinda cramp in time these days.
    ...no forgiveness to bear man. as i said, am a big fan. much praise that you replied to the post. harsh or not, i learn a lot from friendly conversations. it is always fun in this forum dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    In regards to the sage of the six paths...
    I don't believe that So5P even makes any sense, of course he was never called that... He didnt even really become a massive legend until he saved the world from the Juubi, in my opinion. That is probably when he became known as the SO6P. The legend that Madara tells and that we hear other characters talk about isn't the sage before his fight with the Juubi. It is only after he conquers the Juubi and obtains its chakra, becoming the first Jinchuuriki that he becomes legend. It is the powers he had BEFORE the fight with the Juubi that allowed him to beat the Juubi. Think about Naruto fighting the Kyuubi. He had sage(nature chakra), he had wind(element chakra), he had uzumaki(mom), he had senju(dad, imo), and he had uchiha(itachi, imo). You can debate the last 2, but the first 3 aren't debatable. He used sage rasengans, wind rasengans, and had his mom's help. Without those 3 powers he would have been unable to defeat the Kyuubi. Same applies for the SO6P vs the Juubi. He would have been unable to defeat the Juubi if not for his preexisting powers. Did he have ALL 6 PATHS BEFORE the Juubi? I say no. I say the 6th path that made him famous, that made him the legend, that made him the one and only SO6P was his defeat and sealing of the monster, the Juubi. I can't prove this anymore than you can prove the opposite, but this speaks to me as truth.
    Use your own judgement to decide, but only Kishi can tell us one way or the other, if he ever does. I've given all the reasons I can, to prove my opinion.
    ...from what i understood, the rikudo was already a "god" (sage so to speak) even before he defeated the monster bewildering the shinobi lands. for prior to his battle with the bijuu, his conquest of the the evil was the primary quest to achieve peace for all the lands. the monster's defeat catapulted his reputation to all time high. his legend was there long before he got to solve the bijuu problem. i may not be able to prove this to you now in as much as you cant find the evidence he wasnt the sage we are referring to now. madara exactly pictures the rikudo as the bijuu's conqueror because we know of his plans and intentions. the rikudo was not even the a jinchuuriki before the juubi puzzle. he became the first host for the chakra/power concern that the monster would eventually recreate his "monster-ness". madara, a monster himself, would really love to get hold such a tremendous power for his own purposes and self satisfaction. the rikudo was a rikudo, little we know of his mystery paths, similarly to Naruto as Naruto with our hope and desires he develops his truest potential to be the next in line as "a rikudo heir". the rikudo was the origin of all the powerful identities of every clan we try to identify with. his dna is the dnas split to all the three paths you mention. i could only conceive "a god's dna" to be a gift and not as a path or a splitted dencendants' paths to master. the juubi was a freak of nature. it existed in the time a "great peace advocate" was watching over a troubled world. this advocacy of peace would only be tainted by the devil in prowl should the rikudo(in all of his 6 paths prowess) failed to stop the said freak of nature.
    i only have naruto wiki as proof that the rikudo was indeed the so6p, and not so5p + the juubi's chakra. i believe that you would have none...
    ...we also only have jiraiya's stories and that of madara's. eventhough jiraiya's tale is a bit short in substance, i'd rather believe it than the quantity madara's narrations offer. jiraiya more than tickled Naruto's mind...so does it has mine...
    a better question could be...could Naruto be the SO6P without the kyuubi's power?...the answer is a resounding YES! the kyuubi or the bijuu is not a requirement to be the next so6p -- at least for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    Moving along to another subject...Liars.
    A liar is not incapable of telling the truth, and an honest man, is not incapable of telling a lie. There is no way that you can catch Madara in one lie and then assume that everything else he has said is a lie. That just doesn't work. Yes, I agree, that he lied to Sasuke, BIG TIME. He said that the Kyuubi attacking Konoha was a natural disaster. The funny thing about this, is that Sasuke KNEW he was being lied to. Itachi told Sasuke before he died, that Madara was responsible for the attack on Konoha, that Madara controlled the Kyuubi using his Sharingan and initiated the devastating attack on Konoha. It is obvious why Madara lied to Sasuke...he was trying to put Sasuke in his pocket, trying to recruit Sasuke to his team. He desperately needs Sasuke for his plans. He thought that by telling Sasuke the truth, that Sasuke would reject him. The crazy part is, that Sasuke knew, and didnt really care about it. Sasuke is content to be used by Madara, just as he was content to be used by Orochimaru. Sasuke uses these people just as much as they use him, and when he doesn't need them anymore, he stabs them in the back and then moves on. (i.e. kakashi, orochimaru, karin, and soon...Madara, imo)
    So my point is that, just because Madara lied to Sasuke about ONE thing. Does NOT mean that he lied to Konan about Izanagi and himself. It does NOT mean that he lied to the Kages about the Juubi and the SO6P. It does however mean that he is capable of lying when the time is right, and that we shouldn't blindly trust anything he says. Not that I blindy trust anyone, not even Kakashi. Everyone is capable of lying at anytime about anything. You have to use your own judgement to discern the truth from the lies. I believe that on the whole, Madara is a very truthful person. He likes to tell people what they didn't know. It gives him great satisfaction. He enjoyed telling Sasuke the truth about Itachi. He enjoyed telling the kages the truth about his moon's eye plan. He enjoyed telling Kisame that he is Madara. He enjoyed telling Konan who he is and how powerful he is as he killed her. Don't let yourself doubt the truth, just because you think the source, is a liar. In that way, you are blinding yourself.
    ...as a lookout for peace and freedom, i will side with honesty. an honest person is a credible person. why would one lie if he knows he would not be able to get that thing he lies for? credibility has always been a great factor of evidences. if madara's threats and doings serve his purposes of fear and hatred, i would not even conceive of an idea i would believe him. yes, he says he will get the rinnegan. he did so and killed konan. he had all the capability to snatch the "eyes of power" without looking for a "bloodbath". say it isnt so...
    sasuke could have been making a fool out of madara if he knows re "the kyuubi's attack" as told by minato. sasuke is indeed using madara for the good this time. the only one whom sasuke laid his hands with is orochimaru...and we know why. should sasuke be telling lies now...i guess his credibility stays. unlike madara, i just cant picture him to be honest..even just once. it is not a matter of what he says now that i should believe...it is what he does. i have to wait that he does what he says. should there are things in what he says left undone...then those are lies. besides, gruesome things like killing torune just to witness edo tensei's variant on fuu would not lead me to believe his words. he must act his words to make me believe ...so to say.
    i also tried to be objective in viewing things re madara...i just cant. madara should be treated in a subjective way. i dont infer others are seeing him the same. but i greatly admire him as a villain. i truly disdain his lies. i can never see the truth in him...dire say i am blind to look at whatever he has to show as a judgment. he is not a good man to bear any truth about goodness. i guess you view him subjectively as well...
    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    I gotta be honest that I'm not really feeling your six paths theories, they are not very believable. I won't go into reasons why. I explained what I thought very intricately. My theories are well backed by example and reason. You have to be able to do the same with yours or else no one will believe them, whether they are true or false. If you can make them plausible then I will be happy to debate and even maybe believe.
    ...and about my paths...
    how about equating it with your paths...

    love --- senju hashirama
    hate---uchiha madara
    sacrifice---uzumaki nagato

    just to know you get to feel them. they could be vague and wide as our hunt for the paths, but my paths are relatively safer...am working on the yin yang diagram..
    should you view them still unbelievable, i think your paths are similarly not getting into your senses too...
    then, it might be better not to expound them afterwards...

    i hope i could sign in earlier next time. discussions are getting quite interesting.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Sarutobi View Post
    dude, they mistranslated the one part, said it was the 2nd kazekage but the 4th is there.
    yeah your right
     
         

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    well in da next chapter i think dat kakashi has copied most of there techniques and he's gonna explode or we're gonna see why he's really called the copy ninja
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyD View Post
    well in da next chapter i think dat kakashi has copied most of there techniques and he's gonna explode or we're gonna see why he's really called the copy ninja
    I think that's the thing we will see copying their jutsu and using it against them in such a high level fight will really be something to look forward to:D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Do you guys think that once kakashi starts causing for trouble for kabuto that kabuto might summon the white fang, kakashi's father? Sorry if this was already talked about.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagubus View Post
    Do you guys think that once kakashi starts causing for trouble for kabuto that kabuto might summon the white fang, kakashi's father? Sorry if this was already talked about.
    interesting thought......... however, i don't see kakashi falling apart even if his dad is summoned......... he has gone boiling hot tempered on edo tensei and will most probably try to defeat white fang..........
     
         

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