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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    i think neji's father is going to be taken care of with no prob even though i'd like to see him fight. for those who might have forgotten neji's family branch has the cursed mark!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Hey all

    Omningan started about Naruto and SO6P discussion... but! fox didnt say this is sage of six paths. Fox said exactly: "This is... Sage of Six Paths' ...!" which should mean that jutsu Naruto used to seal fox comes originaly from SO6P (jutsu of sage of six paths/ sage of six paths' jutsu)
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinnsharingan View Post
    my bad for all the different topics its my first time using this and i have so much questions. since kakashi got his qwn type of ms maybe its possible that different experiences cause different ms to be awakened and kamui looks just like madaras space time maybe its an advanced version of kamui
    Well, yes, these two MS techniques have similarities, but they also have differences. Kakashi's Kamui seems to be an offensive tech. It can be used at a long range (e.g. the beginning of shippuuden when he was chasing Deidara). It can also be used at small range (e.g. Pain throwing a nail at Kakashi and Kakashi warping it just before it hit him). So we can assume Kakashi's Kamui is an all-range tech (maybe not usable at point blank, but still you get the point). Now, let's look at Madara's space-time jutsu. When he uses it to warp people he has to touch them. He has only used it from a very low range - to absorb either himself or his enemies. Even in Torune's case when he knew he shouldn't have touched those nano-bugs he still made contact to absorb him. This seems to be a more defensive jutsu. It seems both of these two techniques have offensive and defensive use, but I would say Kamui is offensive and Madara's space-time is defensive.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasuke721 View Post
    i am just going off of the final secret that itachi mentioned
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/386/13
    here it states that members of the uchiha clan would kill their best friend for the ms and then their siblings to make it permanent. now if other people did have ms and take a siblings eyes, they would gain ems. however, we know that nobody other than madara, and now sasuke, gained an ems. the final requirement may be that the siblings eyes need to willingly be given up in order for the ems to be unlocked. if this were true, then madara would have been telling the truth when he told sasuke that his brother offered his eyes to him.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/399/4
    now itachi willingly gave up his eyes and ms abilities to sasuke right before dieing. this could be the final secret to ems: the eyes of the sibling must be given up willingly.

    this is just one idea, everyone feel free to give thoughts supporting or rejecting it. I'm always open to hearing different theories.
    Good idea, it now makes sense why there was no other than madara that awakened the ems because the others stole their brothers eyes with force.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    yo dudes! let me try and show you an illustration of my theories as the 6 paths.
    please bear with the basics..eheh

    here it goes..

    YANG _________ YIN
    love _________ hate
    sacrifice _______ acceptance
    peace ________ war


    the diagram is the wholity of my theories as paths, and it is harmoniously yin yang implicit in "balance".
    please also note the contractions (the small circles).
    ...(failed too insert the image...somebody could teach me though...my bad)
    feel free to scrutinize, revise and add. this is a free mangaworld...

    yo omni!
    your chakra paths got my attention the most. i personally think they are more interesting than the first set you have.
    your first set was "madara oriented". i would like to know (should you grace with your wisdom) from you if i "could believe this set"
    which came from a "liar". when do we start believing lies? when could i see the credibility of this villain. i guess, i have to believe kabuto a little bit more.

    ..and regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rikudo_Sennin

    here it says so6p referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
    ...well, nothing more to say my friend. guess, less talk, less mistakes with you.

    but your posts really are outstanding. am beginning to mimick even your reference provisions. til next dude!

    yo floydi!

    regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rikudo_Sennin

    here it says so6p referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
    though i know you support some of madara's paths...i guess i will believe him if and only if:
    1. he is in his deathbed doing confessions
    2. he is captured and interrogated that he surrenders all the knowledge he has -- for the truth or
    3. he switches side and help the alliance against ...lol...kabuto
    we all know these premises wont happen considering how powerful madara is.
    ..well, please endow us your profound thoughts?

    damn...you shook me here..."the zetsus still travelled through land at the bottom depth of the ocean". geeezzz
    i think i have to accept this...but, isn't it closer to travel distance A to B in a straight line? going in the depths of the ocean indeed took their time to attack, but an intelligent plan to go undetected. still, isnt this way a lil foolish? thoughts idol?

    yo danivass!

    peace man!! no rough house dude!
    regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rikudo_Sennin

    here it says so6p is referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
    ...still i am with you that this topic remains inconclusive. no quarrel whether assumptions or opinions are leveled to as conclusions.
    i dont assume, i only opine to the best imaginative descriptions i could dish out.

    yo pervy nin!

    regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rikudo_Sennin

    here it says so6p is referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
    ...dont know if these repetitions irk you my friend. but as omni tells us...it is right there at our doorstep.

    anyways, your paths re chakra are very plausible...allow me to add a bit.

    my second path theories:

    1. wind
    2. fire
    3. water
    4. earth
    5. lightning

    and after mastering the 5

    6. nature and all there is (and i would say, this isnt just senjutsu...it has to be more than that)..

    what do you think pervy? the five are the elements consisting the cyclical harmony. then modify it with the nature's mastery...tadahhhh
    ...yin yang at its best. right pervy? oh, dont know how to make a diagram for this...

    hasta mañana!
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Seeing the 2nd Tsuchikage in awesome will be awesome specially against the 3rd Tsuchikage.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    i think the six paths are people cause madara said he was the second path and nagato was the 3rd path.

    1st senju hashirama
    2nd madara
    3rd nagato
    4thsasuke
    5th naruto
    6th rikodou sage

    if anyone agrees or disagree please share
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    yea u right danivas but for some reason i keep thinking the guy behind the mask is not madara and its definatly not obito
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Hi guys I have a theory.... When Oro summoned 1st nd 2nd hokages to battle 3rd he (Oro) was not participating in battle at all, he was just keeping the distance and kabuto is here doing the same... I believe thts the shortcoming of the technique tht the user has to constantly supress the Summoned soul in his control or else they will not fight or return never to come back... I think someone (may be shikamru ) will notice this and they will trap kabuto to find and he will not have time to controll the summonings... the gud Suommonings like Chiyo, Asuma... and others will fight of Zetsus and return to their pure world...... then Saske will enter.... By this time even Naruto had mastered the Fox chakra rasengan... and he will feel Saske's chakra.....He will rush to the battle field (Now he can move so fast that it would almost be like FTG)... Now we have Sake with the story told by madara how Nine tails was nature and Naruto who knows Madara released.... Towards the end of battle Saske realizes Naruto is correct as,... He tries to release nine tails inside naruto but as now he posses Itachis eyes the Itachis memories (Itachis gift) will play its part as Itatchi did guess Saske will take his eye and will definitely fight Naruto... So now Saske willl believ in naruto.... but Madara/tobi will capture Saske as he wuld have weakened with Narutos fight.. and we will get to know more and final battle will began between Naruto & Madara.. as the TOAD sage predicted... Naruto will fight a certain Person with Great Power in his eyes.. by this time only madara will have 5 paths of 6 and Naruto wuld be last Path.... Ultimately Naruto will defeat Madara and will be enlightened and become Sage of 6 paths..... and MArry Hinata...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jabznaruto View Post
    yo omni!
    your chakra paths got my attention the most. i personally think they are more interesting than the first set you have.
    your first set was "madara oriented". i would like to know (should you grace with your wisdom) from you if i "could believe this set"
    which came from a "liar". when do we start believing lies? when could i see the credibility of this villain. i guess, i have to believe kabuto a little bit more.

    ..and regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rikudo_Sennin

    here it says so6p referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
    ...well, nothing more to say my friend. guess, less talk, less mistakes with you.

    but your posts really are outstanding. am beginning to mimick even your reference provisions. til next dude!
    Jabz, thanks for the nice comments, man. I'm glad you like my post. I will try to respond to your post, although some of it is pretty far out there, I might come off a little harsh, so please forgive.

    In regards to the sage of the six paths...
    I don't believe that So5P even makes any sense, of course he was never called that... He didnt even really become a massive legend until he saved the world from the Juubi, in my opinion. That is probably when he became known as the SO6P. The legend that Madara tells and that we hear other characters talk about isn't the sage before his fight with the Juubi. It is only after he conquers the Juubi and obtains its chakra, becoming the first Jinchuuriki that he becomes legend. It is the powers he had BEFORE the fight with the Juubi that allowed him to beat the Juubi. Think about Naruto fighting the Kyuubi. He had sage(nature chakra), he had wind(element chakra), he had uzumaki(mom), he had senju(dad, imo), and he had uchiha(itachi, imo). You can debate the last 2, but the first 3 aren't debatable. He used sage rasengans, wind rasengans, and had his mom's help. Without those 3 powers he would have been unable to defeat the Kyuubi. Same applies for the SO6P vs the Juubi. He would have been unable to defeat the Juubi if not for his preexisting powers. Did he have ALL 6 PATHS BEFORE the Juubi? I say no. I say the 6th path that made him famous, that made him the legend, that made him the one and only SO6P was his defeat and sealing of the monster, the Juubi. I can't prove this anymore than you can prove the opposite, but this speaks to me as truth.
    Use your own judgement to decide, but only Kishi can tell us one way or the other, if he ever does. I've given all the reasons I can, to prove my opinion.

    Moving along to another subject...Liars.
    A liar is not incapable of telling the truth, and an honest man, is not incapable of telling a lie. There is no way that you can catch Madara in one lie and then assume that everything else he has said is a lie. That just doesn't work. Yes, I agree, that he lied to Sasuke, BIG TIME. He said that the Kyuubi attacking Konoha was a natural disaster. The funny thing about this, is that Sasuke KNEW he was being lied to. Itachi told Sasuke before he died, that Madara was responsible for the attack on Konoha, that Madara controlled the Kyuubi using his Sharingan and initiated the devastating attack on Konoha. It is obvious why Madara lied to Sasuke...he was trying to put Sasuke in his pocket, trying to recruit Sasuke to his team. He desperately needs Sasuke for his plans. He thought that by telling Sasuke the truth, that Sasuke would reject him. The crazy part is, that Sasuke knew, and didnt really care about it. Sasuke is content to be used by Madara, just as he was content to be used by Orochimaru. Sasuke uses these people just as much as they use him, and when he doesn't need them anymore, he stabs them in the back and then moves on. (i.e. kakashi, orochimaru, karin, and soon...Madara, imo)
    So my point is that, just because Madara lied to Sasuke about ONE thing. Does NOT mean that he lied to Konan about Izanagi and himself. It does NOT mean that he lied to the Kages about the Juubi and the SO6P. It does however mean that he is capable of lying when the time is right, and that we shouldn't blindly trust anything he says. Not that I blindy trust anyone, not even Kakashi. Everyone is capable of lying at anytime about anything. You have to use your own judgement to discern the truth from the lies. I believe that on the whole, Madara is a very truthful person. He likes to tell people what they didn't know. It gives him great satisfaction. He enjoyed telling Sasuke the truth about Itachi. He enjoyed telling the kages the truth about his moon's eye plan. He enjoyed telling Kisame that he is Madara. He enjoyed telling Konan who he is and how powerful he is as he killed her. Don't let yourself doubt the truth, just because you think the source, is a liar. In that way, you are blinding yourself.

    I gotta be honest that I'm not really feeling your six paths theories, they are not very believable. I won't go into reasons why. I explained what I thought very intricately. My theories are well backed by example and reason. You have to be able to do the same with yours or else no one will believe them, whether they are true or false. If you can make them plausible then I will be happy to debate and even maybe believe.

    As always, thanks to everyone who reads my posts.
    Don't be afraid to respond. Sometimes you guys help me a lot with your thoughts.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    i agree with omningan sasuke is going to turn on madara and the things madara said so far i believe is thru except for him lying to sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Floydical View Post

    Hey SageHokage. Are you talking about the 'that jutsu' that I remember Jiraya referring to in chapter 370? If so I simply believe that this 'that jutsu' is referring to his total mastery of the Kyubi's chakra within him. If that is the case, then he has already mastered it .
    I agree 'that jutsu' is the kyubbi cloak.. without the key to his seal, naruto couldn't use the kyuubi cloak to its potential .. Gama-toad(?) said that with the key Naruto could finally use 'that jutsu'.. J-man and Naruto also trained with the cloak, which is how he got the huge scar across his chest, Naruto lost control at 4-tail form because of the evil kyuubi mind. So Naruto's current Kyuubi cloak may not be 'that jutsu' anymore, because the cloak transformed beyond what any of them imagined, and now he may have to work towards other jutsu's as we have been seeing...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    yo uhipooped i think sasuke ems might actually look like ur profile pic
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnigan
    Pervy-nin! Thanks for the post man!
    I'm not sure about the kyuubi giving Naruto the Fire element.
    Here is why i think that: I believe that the Kyuubi molds his own chakra into fire.
    Naruto does not know how to do this, as far as we know he might not even be able to, ever. I'm not sure we will even see much Element/Sage Chakra from Naruto. Realize that now he has access to the Kyuubi's chakra. It is SUPER powerful. He is going to create a Rasengan out of THAT chakra. That beats the hell out of a Wind Rasengan or a Sage Rasengan any day of the week that ends with Y. In effect, a tailed beast bomb in the palm of his hands. I believe, and will predict that Naruto could even nearly pierce a Susanoo with it. Which we know to be nearly impenetrable. The tailed beast bomb delivered via Naruto's Rasengan is going to be absolutely devastating, and I eagerly await its release. It is a technique that is nasty with regular chakra, even nastier if enhanced with sage chakra, and super nasty enchanced with Wind Element. Imagine how destructive it will be if created from the Kyuubi's chakra. It could kill anyone instantly on impact. Nice question about Kyuubi's Chakra Elements, though.
    I hope my response helped.
    Omnigan, you're welcome for the post and thank you for the quick repost!

    I see what you speak, and I can agree. However, I would like to raise the stance the Naruto's current form will be the closet he reaches to being the So6P. Each of his paths will continue to grow more powerful and the one's he is unaware of: uchiha, and maybe senju will be reveled to him. In conclusion Naruto will be a somewhat incomplete version of the So6P, before becoming a true second coming of So6P. I say this because he will not gain all elemental chakra, which I believe needs to be done in order to complete "that path", and he won't becoming the jinchuuriki of the juubi until defeating the second juubi's jinchuuriki, Tobi-Madara. You may see that I have a prediction for the ending of Tobi-Madara's story and hopefully not the Naruto story, but i'll get to that in the finale, so if you don't want to read that i'll tell you when to stop! I digress though. Let me state why all elemental chakra need to be mastered for the elemental path to be complete...

    1. Each path must be completed to stand a chance against the Juubi. Whether So6P knew he needed to master these paths to defeat the randomly appearing juubi, or his mastery of the six domains before the juubi's appearance made him capable of achieving such a task. It doesn't much matter, but I digress yet again.
    2. The juubi is made up of all the other tailed beast, which I would have to assume means the juubi can use all four elemental releases, maybe even ying and yang release. 3. Expanding on two, the So6P would have needed each elemental chakra to counter whatever elemental chakra the juubi used during their fight.
    4. Tobi-Madara knows of this fact and that's why he is using the rinnegan, even if he is utilizing it's power early to sway the battle tide is irrelevant. His ultimate goal is to release and control the juubi, a task the won't be easily achieved, even with all the six paths complete.
    5. Ying and yang release were used to rip apart the beast, and I believe they need to be used to recreate the beast again.
    6. Considering all four points there is no doubt that in order to fully complete the elemental path all element releases must be mastered
    7. If all other paths are obtained(discussed in earlier post), then one can become a virtual spitting image of So6P. This shinobi's dream will be realized by Tobi-Madara, and i'll state why...

    If you don't want to know my prediction of how this current story will end, then don't read on...

    The Juubi is to epic of a beast to not be seen in action during the story. I believe we will see him, because Tobi-Madara will fight and control him. Yes he will gain the Hachibi and Kyuubi, but Naruto and maybe Bee will survive. Tobi-Madara will gain the kyuubi from naurto's defeat during a fight with Sasuke. Tobi-Madara will betray Sauske in someway resulting in diminished power, perhaps there is a catch to any ems, or T-M rigged Itachi's eyes before giving them to Sasuke, but Tobi-Madara will expose this. After the events unravel Sauske will see the light. This will result in Naruto and Sasuke teaming up to fight Tobi-Madara and defeating him, because of their own unique great powers, not because of the nine-tails or sasuke utilizing itachi's eyes, just his own. Each will create their own special legend, not one that lingers in other shinboi's shadows. If this current story were to end like this, then things would come full circle in a way...descendants of the uchiha and senju (sasuke and naruto) put there hatred aside to fight beside one another ushering in a new era of peace. Maybe Naruto takes on the juubi as well and becomes the second So6P.

    Omnigan, you don't need to respond to any of this babble, I was just quoting you to show the meaning of this post. Any nin can respond with question, comments, and concerns. I will answer them as best I can.

    I do have additional questions that aren't trivial and I suspect the answer is supposed to be ambiguous, because the questions are only raised due to pitfalls that kishi can't avoid, because he is writing such a rich and complex story.

    1. Madara's main goal was to destroy Konoha and avenge his "betrayal". After some time in hiding he comes back wanting to destroy Konoha again and almost did so. After yet another defeat and time away he remerges with a new goal (moon's eye plan) to usher in his from of peace. Why did his goals change suddenly? Maybe those were his plans when naruto was born, and when he took control of the nine-tails he figured he'd destroy the village for fun. Seems to be too much of risk to sacrifice his greater plan because of two hokages being alive at the time! So, I think his intentions were just to destroy the village back then. Again why the change in his goals?

    2. What made Nagato so special that Tobi-Madara wanted to give him "his" rinnegan. Kushina was a powerful uzumaki, why not her?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinnsharingan View Post
    yo uhipooped i think sasuke ems might actually look like ur profile pic
    yeah it was the only way to marry them together like Madara's EMS .. as Madara's MS was on the inside with Izuna's MS making up the outter ring ..
    so it made sense to do the same here.. Sasuke's on the inside and Itachi's on the outside..
     
         

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    Okay I think that you might have went over the top with your rebuttle but think about this. If the 4th was out there then he could use his FGT and kill everybody on the battle field. He could teleport himself across the field before they even knew he was there. And also naruto only has part of the fox chakra. And here is something naruto is about to go into God mode here in a few
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    As far as I think these two are just random guys Kishi made right now showing them very strong to make the battles more interesting.

    those two are not random guys, those two are responsible for the death of the 2nd Hokage so they are very tough indeed!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    if naruto loses the nine tails would he still have its chakara cause the 4th said he seal the ying part in naruto
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Pervy-nin,
    I know you said I didnt have to respond, and I dont feel obligated, more inspired.
    I hope its okay if I address some of your questions/thoughts.
    I'll try to keep it short.

    In regards to why Nagato and not someone like Kushina, I can only say that Madara wants to be in control. With Kushina being the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, that lends her an edge against him. It would be like giving the eyes to Naruto. NOT a good idea. Not only that, she was in the village of Konoha, he would never hand is sacred possession to the enemy. Nagato was a good idea, because he was a rebel without a cause, to be cliche. He was a rogue ninja, maybe not at the time, but definitely later due to some influence most likely by Madara. He shaped Nagato's world. Set him on a particular path that Madara could control and keep Nagato in his pocket. Thats why Nagato.

    In regards to Mardara's goal to crush Konoha, I agree it interesting that he would change goals, but it's not like he downgraded from wanting to kill a whole village to wanting to kill only one individual. He actually upgraded his scheme. He was like, FINE! If I can't kill you all (which i've failed 2x) then I will simply achieve so much power, that you will be powerless to resist me. What's better than killing your enemy? Forcing him to submit to you! I use an example of the movie 300. With King Leonidas and God King Xerxes. Xerxes was in a position to kill him, especially at the end. But he still held out hope that Leonidas would submit to him, an even greater victory. I think Madara is the same. His previous loses have forced him to change his method/plans. Now he is possibly even more insane and hell bent on doing harm than he ever was before. He doesn't just want to kill everyone, he wants to take the only thing that truly matters -- FREEDOM. Thats my take on it anyways.

    I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.

    Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
    I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.

    And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
    Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post

    I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.

    Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
    I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.

    And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
    Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.
    Nagato mastered them all as a 10yo kid. (375/11)
     
         

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