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    I would say that individual is well on his way to becoming the Child of Prophecy!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    I want to change a couple of things...

    1. Apparently we know what the seal is that Naruto used on the Kyuubi in the temple.
    It is a 4 element seal. Kushina tells us this, here.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    How he knew how to use it, or if it is something she did, or if it's a product of the location. Im not sure on that still. Though I do have a theory about not only the four element seal, but the chakra mode which I'll get into in a minute.

    2. Minato did specifically say that he was sealing half of the fox away PERMANENTLY.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/503/17
    Whether he is right or wrong is still to be determined... I dont think that Minato sealed the Ying or the Yang individually. He certainly did say anything about that. I think he just straight up sealed half of both. Half of the whole.
    The reason I feel pretty confident about that is, here.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/505/7
    Naruto says the Kyuubi's CHAKRAS. Plural. Meaning more than one. If it was just the yang, he would have said chakra you'd think. Also, I can't imagine the Kyuubi could exist without both Yin/Yang. Isnt that the concept? The balance? The essence of both creates what we know as chakra.
    If Yang is body, then Yin is spirit. How could the bijuu exist without both?

    3. One person can make a difference.
    However, in this war, one person won't make it or break it. There are too many individuals involved... Sasuke, Madara, Kabuto, Naruto, Killerbee, Zetsu, Kakashi, Gaara, etc etc. I didn't even mention the LONG list of EDO's. Adding Minato and Hiruzen to the list wouldn't change much one way or the other, IMO.
    This is a battle of wills, which group wants it more? Which group is willing to put everything on the line and not look back? We shall see.

    4. I admit that when Minato sealed the Kyuubi, it shrank in size, and he says half of it's power/chakra/whatever is sealed within the Death God permanently. Though that doesn't seem to have truly affected it's power...
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/499/13
    This is AFTER Naruto has won/absorbed the Kyuubi's chakra in their battle of wills... it still manages to build up that kind of assault? Doesn't seem like its power has been diminished to me... maybe smaller, but same amount of energy, regardless.

    5. The difference between the sealing that Minato did, and the sealing that Naruto did is all in the details. In both cases, the Fox was trapped inside Naruto. Where they differ is this: Minato used a seal and his chakra to force the fox into Naruto as a baby. He used Naruto's body as a container, and even though Naruto had no power to make the Kyuubi stay there, the seal Minato used and his chakra he used to do it, did.

    In the case of Naruto's four element seal in the temple, he by his own will forced the Kyuubi's chakra inside himself and closed the door on it with his own power. He is keeping the Kyuubi closed in, not just with a seal, but with his willpower and this amazing seal that we can see all over his body.

    6. Yes I think this means no more sage mode for Naruto... I believe that this new mode he has is an evolution of sage mode. However, I believe there is a reason they call someone with nature chakra, a sage...

    What happens when ONE individual has:

    1. (self chakra) (blue)
    2. (nature chakra) (yellow)
    3. (element chakra) (wind) (for naruto anyways)
    4. (bijuu chakra) (red)

    ??? anyone want to guess ???
    That's a interesting observation just wondering if Naruto can use all those 5 thing you mentioned above together or 4 things really his chakra color is blue same goes for wind chakra. In any ways in will be interesting to see how Naruto uses Sage Mode now.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnigan
    What happens when ONE individual has:

    1. (self chakra) (blue)
    2. (nature chakra) (yellow)
    3. (element chakra) (wind) (for naruto anyways)
    4. (bijuu chakra) (red)

    ??? anyone want to guess ???
    Heyo Omnigan, you are killing with your post! Everyone hold a toast to, this man. Let me try and answer your question the best I can...

    The chakras you provided are all utilized by Naruto. Two more chakra types and I think you have all of what So6P had. These two missing chakra types being...uchicha and senju!

    We know Naruto has at least some senju chakra because of kushina (mother) being from the Uzumaki clan, who are distant relatives of the senju clan. Lets wait and see what clan(s) Minato was associated with.

    Recall Itachi gave Naruto some of his "power" and Itachi is an uchiha. Hahaha Sasuke! Just like you were blessed with the name of a great senju clan member, Sasuke Sarutobi. Naruto seems to have been blessed with some of the abilities of the uchiha clan!

    Now Naruto has some work to do because nature chakra has several variations: fire, wind, water, earth, ying, and yang. Rinnegan users have control over all of these elements. Lets wait to see how things play out. Not doubt this will be a fun ride!

    By the way, I think you're right about Naruto now having all of the kyuubi's chakra for these reasons...
    a. balance (spirit and body)
    b. how can the juubi be revived without the kyuubi being "complete"
    c. even if a jinchuriki dies with a tailed-beast inside the tail beast will return to fight another day.
    - http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/503/14
    d. the kyuubi is a demon not a human, so the kyuubi finding a way out of the death god's stomach would not surprise me!
    e. naruto and kishi say kyuubi's CHAKRAS! .
    - http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/505/7
    - http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/505/1
    d. chakra is a strange thing as we've seen with minato and kushina being able to talk to Naruto in the future. Yes, this chakra was stored, but still it seems to have no limits!

    Tell me what you think, but please keep it sweet lol. JK! Let me have it, if I messed up anywhere.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by masterchieftoad View Post
    This chapter was EPIC and the next will be more I mean we'll see all these kages in action I wonder where Kakashi's dad white fang is.
    A good question. We saw Dan Asuma and Neji's Dad's group enter the battlefield but the mystery man that was among their group is not present. Most people believe that that mystery man was most likely the white fang and I am very interested to see if it is or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    honestly i dont agree.
    i dont think madara wants to risk losing any of the tailed beasts to the alliance.
    if they managed to take more away from him, it would make what he is trying to accomplish even more difficult. I think you'll find him not using the beasts as weapons, its too dangerous. Not only that, I dont think any beast but the 9 tail can be controlled by the sharingan... thats whats been alluded to anyways. I havent seen any evidence of the sharingan controlling any other beast but the nine tail, kyuubi.

    you might try to use the madara controlling mizukage - as an example, but he wasnt controlling a bijuu in that situation he was controlling a jinchuuriki...

    if he simply released the beasts from the statue, what if they were to turn on him for capturing them? maybe they arent too happy with akatsuki for all we know...

    the only thing I can imagine the beasts coming out for is if the former jinchuurikis are summoned by kabuto and then the tailed beasts are released into their possession for use. perhaps as their former containers, they would have some sort of control over them...
    other than that, I dont see them making an appearance until the final climax of madara's plan.

    as for the kyuubi's chakra... he didnt lose half of it.
    only half was sealed within naruto... now that naruto has gone through the process he went through at the temple, naruto has captured the ENTIRE chakra of the fox....

    and I doubt that the brothers have more than what sora had...
    an excretion of the chakra of the kyuubi. they are dead anyways, so its not like they are still in possession of the actual chakra. if they were edo'd with it, then it is far more plausible that they were created with/from power absorbed from the kyuubi, much the same as sora from the fillers.

    the fox is not that hardcore, even though he is admitedly a total friggin monster...keep in mind that naruto (with the help of his mother and bee, true) defeated the entirety of the fox and sealed kyuubi's chakra entirely away within himself..

    i also dont agree that minato and sarutobi would have made it game over...
    are you dense? do you really think 2 more individuals on top of the cacophony of dead shinobi that have been broght back would make a difference? i don't. granted they were awesome ninja... that I will not agrue. but 4 kages were just summoned, I dont think 2 more would make all that much difference in the face of things.... the alliance still has to deal with madara, he hasnt done a damn thing yet... and sasuke not to mention...

    anyways, Im not trying to hate on you, I just disagreed with a lot of what you said in your short paragraph and wanted to explain my thoughts. hope theres no offense taken... well there goes my lunch break. LOL.

    Interesting thoughts. It is true that only the nine tails has been showed being controlled but I don't think that it is limited to only him. I mean there is a reason that Madara went for the 9 tails.....because Kushina was giving birth and that was a chance in a lifetime for Madara and he took it. I mean that was the only confirmed time he was controlled right? We know that all the beasts have been under, what can be considered, lock and key within each village ever since they came to be. Madara simply took his first and best chance to get back at the village, and that happened to be controlling the nine tails. If anything, we should consider the other beasts easier to control than the nine-tails since they contain less overall chakra. I mean all the beasts are made of essentially the same chakra so there is no reason to believe that they can't all be controlled.

    In regard to the nine-tails chakra, I am quite certain that Naruto does in fact have access to only half of the Nine-tails original chakra. In chapter 503, Minato says directly that he would seal half of the nine-tails chakra forever by using the death god. He went on to say that sealing all of its chakra forever would simply be impossible and thus the nine-tails was kept in the story. My thought on this is more related to the soul than the chakra. Here in 504 he seals half the Kyubi:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/504/6

    We know that the 3rd sacrificed his life just to seal Oro's arms but what does that mean exactly? We know for a fact that he only cut off part of his soul and thus we have to assume that that part of his soul related to his arms. This isn't a loss of chakra but a loss in soul and Oro would never have been able to regain full use of them again. My point? I think that Minato sealed half of the nine-tails soul and thus half his chakra, something that cannot be regenerated. Now whether or not the tailed beasts have souls could be debated but we know that the death god technique relates directly to the soul so we have to assume that they do have souls. I really do think that half the chakra has been sealed forever. The third said it himself, the souls captured in the death god quarrel for all eternity which means that chakra will be there forever.

    And in regard to Minato, I think it was well documented that Minato was among the strongest ninja ever. If he was summoned with an arsenal of FoTG kunai and was made a killing machine, I would think he could take out half of the army himself, he would certainly have thrown the balance of power to akatsuki if they don't have it already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharingan Itachi View Post
    No guys the yin chakra is forever sealed and you can know that by seeing the size of the kyuubi,I mean I will do a little explanation:
    Yin and Yang are what you can call spiritual and physical energy, the yin is the spiritual one and the yang is the physical, so by sealing the yang the fourth sealed the fox's physical energy and that caused him to be weakened at the physical part which is the reason behind the fox's shrinking, now to get to the main point how can we know that the fox had his yin part retuning or he still has only the yang? to know that we must compare the fox's size before he affected by the demon seal and at the time he was fighting naruto now see the pics:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/10
    this is the fox after he was removed from kushina, you can barely see kushina standing near him, I mean the deference in size is huge.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/497/6
    this in through naruto's fight with the fox in here you can see that the deference is not as big as before.
    So the bottom line is I don't think that the fox had his yin power back.
    This is a great way to provide evidence and I agree with you. He certainly does seem smaller fighting Naruto but size is pretty ambiguous at times in Naruto. In the fight with pain, boss toad seems much smaller in some frames than he should be:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/432/14

    Though I still have to agree with you, I think naruto has only half the Kyubi's chakra.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
    I want to change a couple of things...

    1. Apparently we know what the seal is that Naruto used on the Kyuubi in the temple.
    It is a 4 element seal. Kushina tells us this, here.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    How he knew how to use it, or if it is something she did, or if it's a product of the location. Im not sure on that still. Though I do have a theory about not only the four element seal, but the chakra mode which I'll get into in a minute.

    2. Minato did specifically say that he was sealing half of the fox away PERMANENTLY.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/503/17
    Whether he is right or wrong is still to be determined... I dont think that Minato sealed the Ying or the Yang individually. He certainly did say anything about that. I think he just straight up sealed half of both. Half of the whole.
    The reason I feel pretty confident about that is, here.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/505/7
    Naruto says the Kyuubi's CHAKRAS. Plural. Meaning more than one. If it was just the yang, he would have said chakra you'd think. Also, I can't imagine the Kyuubi could exist without both Yin/Yang. Isnt that the concept? The balance? The essence of both creates what we know as chakra.
    If Yang is body, then Yin is spirit. How could the bijuu exist without both?

    3. One person can make a difference.
    However, in this war, one person won't make it or break it. There are too many individuals involved... Sasuke, Madara, Kabuto, Naruto, Killerbee, Zetsu, Kakashi, Gaara, etc etc. I didn't even mention the LONG list of EDO's. Adding Minato and Hiruzen to the list wouldn't change much one way or the other, IMO.
    This is a battle of wills, which group wants it more? Which group is willing to put everything on the line and not look back? We shall see.

    4. I admit that when Minato sealed the Kyuubi, it shrank in size, and he says half of it's power/chakra/whatever is sealed within the Death God permanently. Though that doesn't seem to have truly affected it's power...
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/499/13
    This is AFTER Naruto has won/absorbed the Kyuubi's chakra in their battle of wills... it still manages to build up that kind of assault? Doesn't seem like its power has been diminished to me... maybe smaller, but same amount of energy, regardless.

    5. The difference between the sealing that Minato did, and the sealing that Naruto did is all in the details. In both cases, the Fox was trapped inside Naruto. Where they differ is this: Minato used a seal and his chakra to force the fox into Naruto as a baby. He used Naruto's body as a container, and even though Naruto had no power to make the Kyuubi stay there, the seal Minato used and his chakra he used to do it, did.

    In the case of Naruto's four element seal in the temple, he by his own will forced the Kyuubi's chakra inside himself and closed the door on it with his own power. He is keeping the Kyuubi closed in, not just with a seal, but with his willpower and this amazing seal that we can see all over his body.

    6. Yes I think this means no more sage mode for Naruto... I believe that this new mode he has is an evolution of sage mode. However, I believe there is a reason they call someone with nature chakra, a sage...

    What happens when ONE individual has:

    1. (self chakra) (blue)
    2. (nature chakra) (yellow)
    3. (element chakra) (wind) (for naruto anyways)
    4. (bijuu chakra) (red)

    ??? anyone want to guess ???


    Actually he did indeed seal the Kyubi's Yin within the demon seal and the Yang in Naruto:
    http://somemangas.com/manga/Naruto/370/

    Its on pages 10 and 11, I used somemanga.com because they have better translations. Minato never said anything about Yin/Yang but I knew someone had said it in the past and saw this chapter referenced on the wiki. I don't think it would inhibit the Kyubi's ability to take physical form only possessing its Yang chakra considering Yang is the basis of vitality and energy:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11

    When the Kyubi started taking physical form against Pain, he could have used Naruto's Yin energy to create the proper shape. Plus, when he fought the Kyubi, it was within his own body. I mean different rules could apply within Naruto's inner world and perhaps the Kyubi did not require its own Yin to create its own shape within Naruto's body.

    Further thoughts anyone?
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    yo omni! yo floydical! yo pervy!

    seems you've been discussing one of my favourites...Naruto!!!

    ...and in particular;

    1. yin and yang
    2. chakra
    3. the kyuubi

    everything in this universe has yin and yang. chakra (whatever color and whatever kind) and the kyuubi have yin and yang. the "duality" in this yin and yang is another interesting topic. most have been said that "the most important thing in this yin and yang" is "discussing its balance or equilibrium in whatever topic it is discussed with". an imbalance would be the duality. whichever is the colored white or black or another color of preference wouldnt matter. as long as that two colored forces/energies/powers have the equilibrium point, harmony will be achieved.
    ....should the yin be separated from the yang, the yin has a "yang contraction" in it. and that complimentary yang will develop and regenerate to achieve balance --believe it! similarly, should the yang be extracted from the circle mui, the yin compliments by way of its contraction being expanded to have equilibrium again.
    ..the means and ways to actualize this could possibly be internal or external and whatever power or force is involved.

    chakra has its yin and yang. chakra has its balance so to say. everything that has chakra must have a "balance" in order for that chakra to be useful.

    ..let me first jump off to minato's sealing half of the fox's chakra within himself thru SF and the other half to Naruto. i believe that what was sealed was "half of both yin and yang of the chakra" within Naruto and the same with the demon art tech thru minato.
    ...it is clear...half of the chakra (yin and yang).
    ....questions whether the "potency" of the power is the same or reduced is not a matter of debate. chakra regenerates and it could be, of course, depleted.

    ..Naruto succeeded to get the fox's chakra (yin and yang ...i believe). what was left with the fox was "the will (yin and yang)".
    ...here is where the confusion begins to be discussed.
    the extraction showed us colors...and the queries whether it is the yin or the yang emerged as readers' comments. i, personally, think that is not a question of color nor size. the usefulness and potency of the purpose and the value of the balance "are more significant". in this case, Naruto achieved the rikudo mode.
    ...and currently, Naruto trains to exploit the "use" of the fox's chakra. is it better or more powerful than "sage mode"? can Naruto mix the sage mode with the fox's chakra?...note that it is no longer pertinent to identify which is yin or yang.
    .... definitely, Naruto wants to maximize the powers in his hands now. and Naruto will...'te bayo!

    ...another noggin' topic would be: "Naruto defeated the fox through his soul's dimension". the intricacies of this topic would lead us to a more complex topic of edo tensei. but anyways, Naruto was able to absorb the chakra "physically". sage mode is "a physical" power infusion. this is why sage mode is a lot tedious for Naruto. and we still have to wait if he could maintain sage mode longer now - or if ma and pa frog-sages could already fuse with Naruto.
    ...the attainment of the rikudo mode is Naruto's inter-dimensional phase of chakra development. and it is more powerful than the sage mode, and more potent for advancements as well. one good progress is the "tailed beast bomb" training.

    re the kyuubi, it is currently "sealed in happiness". this is the new seal employed and innate in Naruto as an uzumaki. it is just fittting since the "fox's will" is typically hatred. bind it with happiness, then it'll go nowhere.

    the kyuubi is now "pure will". is it? i dont think so. as i mentioned, if the current topics imply to the fox's chakra and will as its yin and yang (interchangeably), then the fox's chakra contraction will develop to compensate it's will. this explains the fox's current size. and this could lead us to the clarification of the fox's size reduction during minato's sealing and Naruto's absorption of its chakra.

    i could have drawn the yin and yang as a support diagram. am still learning to edraw...my bad.

    hope to get reactions from you omni, floydical and pervy nin! yo idols...chill...
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

    i hope kishimoto gonna show more fox rampage inside naruto.... or fox break the naruto seal...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki leader View Post
    i hope kishimoto gonna show more fox rampage inside naruto.... or fox break the naruto seal...
    yo bro!

    yea kishi will. fox rampage inside Naruto will be the "tailed beast bomb" counterpart mastered by Naruto. no breaking of seal needed. fox's will surrenders to Naruto's more powerful will of fire.

    nice comment dude!
     
         

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    Epic chapter...
    Think that in the next chapter they'll show some of the powers of the new summoned top ninjas and maybe tell something about their past (for example about the Kin and Gin brothers)
     
         

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    I only read a few users post such as OM or pervynin etc but a curious thought to me is could Naruto Sage Mode be an extremely long lasting thing? I mean with his fox mode it gives out nature energy? Sage Mode takes in the nature energy, Wouldn't Naruto basically be charging himself up constantly through the Fox Mode to the Sage Mode?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki leader View Post
    i hope kishimoto gonna show more fox rampage inside naruto.... or fox break the naruto seal...
    We may see that during the war but chances are slim as Naruto has sort of gained control of the Kyuubi's chakras.
     
         

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    wow!
     
         

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    Interesting thoughts. It is true that only the nine tails has been showed being controlled but I don't think that it is limited to only him. I mean there is a reason that Madara went for the 9 tails.....because Kushina was giving birth and that was a chance in a lifetime for Madara and he took it. I mean that was the only confirmed time he was controlled right? We know that all the beasts have been under, what can be considered, lock and key within each village ever since they came to be. Madara simply took his first and best chance to get back at the village, and that happened to be controlling the nine tails. If anything, we should consider the other beasts easier to control than the nine-tails since they contain less overall chakra. I mean all the beasts are made of essentially the same chakra so there is no reason to believe that they can't all be controlled.

    In regard to the nine-tails chakra, I am quite certain that Naruto does in fact have access to only half of the Nine-tails original chakra. In chapter 503, Minato says directly that he would seal half of the nine-tails chakra forever by using the death god. He went on to say that sealing all of its chakra forever would simply be impossible and thus the nine-tails was kept in the story. My thought on this is more related to the soul than the chakra. Here in 504 he seals half the Kyubi:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/504/6

    We know that the 3rd sacrificed his life just to seal Oro's arms but what does that mean exactly? We know for a fact that he only cut off part of his soul and thus we have to assume that that part of his soul related to his arms. This isn't a loss of chakra but a loss in soul and Oro would never have been able to regain full use of them again. My point? I think that Minato sealed half of the nine-tails soul and thus half his chakra, something that cannot be regenerated. Now whether or not the tailed beasts have souls could be debated but we know that the death god technique relates directly to the soul so we have to assume that they do have souls. I really do think that half the chakra has been sealed forever. The third said it himself, the souls captured in the death god quarrel for all eternity which means that chakra will be there forever.

    And in regard to Minato, I think it was well documented that Minato was among the strongest ninja ever. If he was summoned with an arsenal of FoTG kunai and was made a killing machine, I would think he could take out half of the army himself, he would certainly have thrown the balance of power to akatsuki if they don't have it already.

    This is a great way to provide evidence and I agree with you. He certainly does seem smaller fighting Naruto but size is pretty ambiguous at times in Naruto. In the fight with pain, boss toad seems much smaller in some frames than he should be:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/432/14

    Though I still have to agree with you, I think naruto has only half the Kyubi's chakra.

    Actually he did indeed seal the Kyubi's Yin within the demon seal and the Yang in Naruto:
    http://somemangas.com/manga/Naruto/370/

    Its on pages 10 and 11, I used somemanga.com because they have better translations. Minato never said anything about Yin/Yang but I knew someone had said it in the past and saw this chapter referenced on the wiki. I don't think it would inhibit the Kyubi's ability to take physical form only possessing its Yang chakra considering Yang is the basis of vitality and energy:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11

    When the Kyubi started taking physical form against Pain, he could have used Naruto's Yin energy to create the proper shape. Plus, when he fought the Kyubi, it was within his own body. I mean different rules could apply within Naruto's inner world and perhaps the Kyubi did not require its own Yin to create its own shape within Naruto's body.

    Further thoughts anyone?


    Great post man! Thanks for the awesome rebuttal.
    I admit that you have me sort of convinced about the Yin/Yang.
    It seems Jiriaya was convinced that the Yin was taken into the Demon God.
    And that the Yang was sealed inside Naruto.

    I am sort of with Jabz on this, I don't really see how that's possible to separate the two. Only together do they work the way that they are supposed to, right?. Why would removing the Yin simply make the kyuubi smaller? You'd think it wouldn't be able to exist with only 1 type of chakra.
    Wouldn't it KILL it? If you took all of Naruto's YIN from his body, wouldn't he die? But like I said, simply the concept of breaking apart the YIN and YANG doesn't make sense to me. How would Minato purposefully target the Kyuubi's YIN and ONLY its YIN?

    Not only that.... Remember when Hiruzen tried to Shiki Fujin Orochimaru? Orochimaru put up a massive struggle in that. He wasn't content to allow his soul to be ripped from his body and fought viciously to keep it inside himself. Well that is totally contradictory to what happened between Minato and the Kyuubi.
    It's shown that the shiki fujin arm goes into the kyuubi, and what appears to be instantly, pulls out his SOUL/YIN? Maybe Yin, isn't the soul. If it is or isn't... you would think that a demon beast, the most hardcore of the beasts, the kyuubi, would put up a little more of a fight than some human like Orochimaru... It seemed way to easy and convenient for Minato to do what he did. Honestly he did like 4 seals.
    1. to seal SOME part of the kyuubi and himself in the demon god.
    2. to seal some of his chakra inside naruto.
    3. to seal some part of Kushina's chakra inside naruto.
    4. to seal the remaining part of the kyuubi inside naruto.

    I can imagine that 2-4 all happened in the same sealing, but even so, Minato did some wholly unbelievable ****. He did the 2-4 AFTER having done 1. And from what we are able to determine, 1 pretty much kills you. How could he seal himself inside the demon god and yet still have ANY chakra or power left of any kind to prepare an entirely new seal on Naruto? It seems wholly confusing.

    I am also with the concept that the Kyuubi would eventually regenerate whatever was lost. We know that chakra is a replenish-able source within the humans, I would assume its the same in the demons. I can't imagine the fox ONLY had Yang chakra when he was fighting Naruto. Aren't we meant to understand that the tailed beast bomb is created from positive and negative chakra? Wouldnt that require YIN and YANG? Like I said, this is all fictional so I'm not sure what layer of understanding I'll ever be satisfied with... Maybe YIN has positive and negative, and YANG has positive and negative also. Maybe it is possible for the kyuubi to exist with ONLY his YANG. Though that concept tastes dirty in my mouth. Maybe it is possible for Minato to have purposefully targeted only the Kyuubi's YIN chakra and sealed it away forever inside the demon god. Maybe if someone were to use shiki fujin on the remaining kyuubi's YANG, the Kyuubi would entirely disappear and be forever locked away inside the demon god, never to be seen again... Somehow I doubt this as well. From what we learned from Madara about the Juubi, the other tailed beasts are just an extension of the Juubi. In a sense, the Kyuubi, in all his splendor, nine tails, yin, yang, whatever; is really just ONE tail of the Juubi. I'm not sure if that could ever truly be destroyed... Hell, we don't even really understand what the demon god is and where it comes from. Is he the grim reaper? Is he a creation of GOD? How do they know how to summon him? How do they know what happens to someone sealed within it? How do they know that a tailed beast couldn't eventually make its way out of the demon god? Has this happened before? Is there a prior situation that dictates the process? I really really think not. Minato seemed so confident about everything he was doing... how the hell did he know that the shiki fujin would even work on the Kyuubi? Hell if you had asked me prior to it working, and had explained the circumstances like this: "Im gonna use a soul seal technique to sacrifice my life and seal away nine tailed demon inside the demon god's stomach."
    My response would have been: "Don't bother, it won't work"
    That's as far as I'll go for now. I don't know what to think on the whole subject. We'll just have to wait and let Kishi reveal some more info for us when the time comes. At some point, the Kyuubi will come back into play, just like the rest of the tailed beasts, and Madara will try and resurrect the Juubi. Maybe we will learn more then.

    In response to another continued question...
    I believe that this tailed beast mode that naruto now uses conflicts with sage mode although it is a necessary component. If naruto werent a sage, he wouldnt be able to enter this tailed beast mode. I think thats why we see it in only Naruto and not in any of the other Junchuurikis like Killerbee.
    Sage mode is a component of the tailed beast mode.
    Could Naruto still use sage mode by itself? I'd say sure, but he would not be able to use it at the same time as the tailed beast mode, its one or the other, not both at the same time. Since that is the case, I don't think that he much needs sage mode anymore... it seems weaker in comparison to tailed beast mode. I would assume that in sage mode naruto was stronger and faster and had more chakra, but that in tailed beast mode he is EVEN stronger, EVEN faster, and has even more chakra at his disposal. Namely, the kyuubi's chakra. In the explanation that killerbee has given, he explains that Naruto's chakra is set aside for direct use of the Kyuubi's chakra.
    We saw how dangerous this can be, the threat that the Kyuubi will eventually drain all of Naruto's chakra and he will die, and the kyuubi will be released. Since this is the case, it may be pertinent for Naruto to pick and choose depending on the situation what mode to use. I would assume that we might see Naruto using only his chakra in a normal mode. Other times, perhaps Sage mode would be appropriate, and in the most dire of circumstances he will resort to using the tailed beast mode and access the kyuubi's chakra in order to utilize a tailed beast bomb. The reason I say that he will most likely still make use of sage mode or normal mode is because of the problems inherent in tailed beast mode. We know that while in that mode he cannot clone himself. No more massive kage bunshins for naruto? That just doesn't sound right. Up until now, that has been his staple. He milks the hell out of it, he even used it to defeat the Kyuubi. I find it very unlikely to think that we will never see him making another kage bunshin and that he will only and forever use the tailed beast mode. The only way that might happen, is if the story is going to come to a close soon. If Naruto really only has 2-3 more battles, then maybe we never will see Kage Bunshin again, but I really doubt that. I hope that answers everyone question about tailed beast mode and or sage mode.

    Good job Pervy nin, you took what I said and figured it out.
    For all the rest of you who havent figured it out.
    I think it goes something like this. Sage of the six paths, right?

    1. Senju (naruto/minato and madara/hashirama)
    2. Uchiha (naruto/itachi and madara/himself)
    3. Uzumaki (naruto/kushina and madara/nagato)
    4. Nature (naruto only. hes a sage.)
    5. Element (naruto/wind and madara/???)
    6. Tailed Beast (naruto only, madara is not a jinchuuriki)

    I could be totally wrong, but I think that Naruto is the new sage of the six paths. Thanks to Itachi he got Uchiha. I believe Minato was Senju.
    Uzumaki from his mom. Nature cause hes a sage. Wind as an element. Finally, Kyuubi for tailed beast.

    The Kyuubi specifically said "this is the sage of the six paths"
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/499/14

    Chew on that for a while!!!
    O.O
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omningan View Post
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    I think it goes something like this. Sage of the six paths, right?

    1. Senju (naruto/minato and madara/hashirama)
    2. Uchiha (naruto/itachi and madara/himself)
    3. Uzumaki (naruto/kushina and madara/nagato)
    4. Nature (naruto only. hes a sage.)
    5. Element (naruto/wind and madara/???)
    6. Tailed Beast (naruto only, madara is not a jinchuuriki)

    I could be totally wrong, but I think that Naruto is the new sage of the six paths. Thanks to Itachi he got Uchiha. I believe Minato was Senju.
    Uzumaki from his mom. Nature cause hes a sage. Wind as an element. Finally, Kyuubi for tailed beast.

    The Kyuubi specifically said "this is the sage of the six paths"
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/499/14

    Chew on that for a while!!!
    O.O
    well there is no clear proof that minato belonged to senju clan......... but naruto from his mothers side does, and itachi's power given to naruto is also not clear to us yet.......

    But i had always thought why the SO6P was called so??? perhaps bcz of the 6 realms that nagato used, or its due to the type of chakra used.. earth, wind, fire, water and lightning + natural energy???? or is there more to it??? why did the kyuubi think that naruto was SO6P when he was using kyuubi's chakra??? has he now got the powers of the both successors of SO6P???? the senju and uchiha and sage mode???? or perhaps he has attained the perfect physical strength of a senju????????? thats a lot confusing.............
     
         
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    and personally, i think naruto should go to frog village and make a thousand clones with his normal chakra and make them all gather natural energy...:D
    that'll provide him unbelievable amount of sage chakra....... remember like he defeated the kyuubi?????
    and as i had said earlier, now that naruto has separated himself from "hatred" of kyuubi, i think ma & pa can merge with him to provide sage chakra..... and if that could happen, then i think sage chakra is a better option.......... his body won't be physically harmed and he will have more time...........
     
         

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    well there is no clear proof that minato belonged to senju clan......... but naruto from his mothers side does, and itachi's power given to naruto is also not clear to us yet.......

    But i had always thought why the SO6P was called so??? perhaps bcz of the 6 realms that nagato used, or its due to the type of chakra used.. earth, wind, fire, water and lightning + natural energy???? or is there more to it??? why did the kyuubi think that naruto was SO6P when he was using kyuubi's chakra??? has he now got the powers of the both successors of SO6P???? the senju and uchiha and sage mode???? or perhaps he has attained the perfect physical strength of a senju????????? thats a lot confusing.............
    Guy's Naruto is the So6p reincarnation.. He will get all 6 paths and bring peace about the ninja world. We won't know what the 6 paths are or even half of the 6 paths until madara's first real fight with the rinnegan and sharingan. That fight will tell us alot about the sage of the six paths!! Madara is trying to ressurect the jyubbi.. only one who posses the power of the so6p can do it... madara will ressurect it.. and naruto will control it.
     
         

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    Great post man! Thanks for the awesome rebuttal.
    I admit that you have me sort of convinced about the Yin/Yang.
    It seems Jiriaya was convinced that the Yin was taken into the Demon God.
    And that the Yang was sealed inside Naruto.

    I am sort of with Jabz on this, I don't really see how that's possible to separate the two. Only together do they work the way that they are supposed to, right?. Why would removing the Yin simply make the kyuubi smaller? You'd think it wouldn't be able to exist with only 1 type of chakra.
    Wouldn't it KILL it? If you took all of Naruto's YIN from his body, wouldn't he die? But like I said, simply the concept of breaking apart the YIN and YANG doesn't make sense to me. How would Minato purposefully target the Kyuubi's YIN and ONLY its YIN?

    Not only that.... Remember when Hiruzen tried to Shiki Fujin Orochimaru? Orochimaru put up a massive struggle in that. He wasn't content to allow his soul to be ripped from his body and fought viciously to keep it inside himself. Well that is totally contradictory to what happened between Minato and the Kyuubi.
    It's shown that the shiki fujin arm goes into the kyuubi, and what appears to be instantly, pulls out his SOUL/YIN? Maybe Yin, isn't the soul. If it is or isn't... you would think that a demon beast, the most hardcore of the beasts, the kyuubi, would put up a little more of a fight than some human like Orochimaru... It seemed way to easy and convenient for Minato to do what he did. Honestly he did like 4 seals.
    1. to seal SOME part of the kyuubi and himself in the demon god.
    2. to seal some of his chakra inside naruto.
    3. to seal some part of Kushina's chakra inside naruto.
    4. to seal the remaining part of the kyuubi inside naruto.

    I can imagine that 2-4 all happened in the same sealing, but even so, Minato did some wholly unbelievable ****. He did the 2-4 AFTER having done 1. And from what we are able to determine, 1 pretty much kills you. How could he seal himself inside the demon god and yet still have ANY chakra or power left of any kind to prepare an entirely new seal on Naruto? It seems wholly confusing.

    I am also with the concept that the Kyuubi would eventually regenerate whatever was lost. We know that chakra is a replenish-able source within the humans, I would assume its the same in the demons. I can't imagine the fox ONLY had Yang chakra when he was fighting Naruto. Aren't we meant to understand that the tailed beast bomb is created from positive and negative chakra? Wouldnt that require YIN and YANG? Like I said, this is all fictional so I'm not sure what layer of understanding I'll ever be satisfied with... Maybe YIN has positive and negative, and YANG has positive and negative also. Maybe it is possible for the kyuubi to exist with ONLY his YANG. Though that concept tastes dirty in my mouth. Maybe it is possible for Minato to have purposefully targeted only the Kyuubi's YIN chakra and sealed it away forever inside the demon god. Maybe if someone were to use shiki fujin on the remaining kyuubi's YANG, the Kyuubi would entirely disappear and be forever locked away inside the demon god, never to be seen again... Somehow I doubt this as well. From what we learned from Madara about the Juubi, the other tailed beasts are just an extension of the Juubi. In a sense, the Kyuubi, in all his splendor, nine tails, yin, yang, whatever; is really just ONE tail of the Juubi. I'm not sure if that could ever truly be destroyed... Hell, we don't even really understand what the demon god is and where it comes from. Is he the grim reaper? Is he a creation of GOD? How do they know how to summon him? How do they know what happens to someone sealed within it? How do they know that a tailed beast couldn't eventually make its way out of the demon god? Has this happened before? Is there a prior situation that dictates the process? I really really think not. Minato seemed so confident about everything he was doing... how the hell did he know that the shiki fujin would even work on the Kyuubi? Hell if you had asked me prior to it working, and had explained the circumstances like this: "Im gonna use a soul seal technique to sacrifice my life and seal away nine tailed demon inside the demon god's stomach."
    My response would have been: "Don't bother, it won't work"
    That's as far as I'll go for now. I don't know what to think on the whole subject. We'll just have to wait and let Kishi reveal some more info for us when the time comes. At some point, the Kyuubi will come back into play, just like the rest of the tailed beasts, and Madara will try and resurrect the Juubi. Maybe we will learn more then.

    In response to another continued question...
    I believe that this tailed beast mode that naruto now uses conflicts with sage mode although it is a necessary component. If naruto werent a sage, he wouldnt be able to enter this tailed beast mode. I think thats why we see it in only Naruto and not in any of the other Junchuurikis like Killerbee.
    Sage mode is a component of the tailed beast mode.
    Could Naruto still use sage mode by itself? I'd say sure, but he would not be able to use it at the same time as the tailed beast mode, its one or the other, not both at the same time. Since that is the case, I don't think that he much needs sage mode anymore... it seems weaker in comparison to tailed beast mode. I would assume that in sage mode naruto was stronger and faster and had more chakra, but that in tailed beast mode he is EVEN stronger, EVEN faster, and has even more chakra at his disposal. Namely, the kyuubi's chakra. In the explanation that killerbee has given, he explains that Naruto's chakra is set aside for direct use of the Kyuubi's chakra.
    We saw how dangerous this can be, the threat that the Kyuubi will eventually drain all of Naruto's chakra and he will die, and the kyuubi will be released. Since this is the case, it may be pertinent for Naruto to pick and choose depending on the situation what mode to use. I would assume that we might see Naruto using only his chakra in a normal mode. Other times, perhaps Sage mode would be appropriate, and in the most dire of circumstances he will resort to using the tailed beast mode and access the kyuubi's chakra in order to utilize a tailed beast bomb. The reason I say that he will most likely still make use of sage mode or normal mode is because of the problems inherent in tailed beast mode. We know that while in that mode he cannot clone himself. No more massive kage bunshins for naruto? That just doesn't sound right. Up until now, that has been his staple. He milks the hell out of it, he even used it to defeat the Kyuubi. I find it very unlikely to think that we will never see him making another kage bunshin and that he will only and forever use the tailed beast mode. The only way that might happen, is if the story is going to come to a close soon. If Naruto really only has 2-3 more battles, then maybe we never will see Kage Bunshin again, but I really doubt that. I hope that answers everyone question about tailed beast mode and or sage mode.

    Good job Pervy nin, you took what I said and figured it out.
    For all the rest of you who havent figured it out.
    I think it goes something like this. Sage of the six paths, right?

    1. Senju (naruto/minato and madara/hashirama)
    2. Uchiha (naruto/itachi and madara/himself)
    3. Uzumaki (naruto/kushina and madara/nagato)
    4. Nature (naruto only. hes a sage.)
    5. Element (naruto/wind and madara/???)
    6. Tailed Beast (naruto only, madara is not a jinchuuriki)

    I could be totally wrong, but I think that Naruto is the new sage of the six paths. Thanks to Itachi he got Uchiha. I believe Minato was Senju.
    Uzumaki from his mom. Nature cause hes a sage. Wind as an element. Finally, Kyuubi for tailed beast.

    The Kyuubi specifically said "this is the sage of the six paths"
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/499/14

    Chew on that for a while!!!
    O.O[/QUOTE]



    Hmm I have to admit, taking only the Kyubi's Yin and sealing it forever is a bit confusing, but we have to take what both Jiraya said and Minato said to be fact. As I eluded to before, perhaps different rules apply to the Kyubi while its inside Naruto. Perhaps he does somehow feed off Naruto's Yin to create his own shape? We do know for a fact, however, that if Naruto were to die, the Kyubi would be revived. Knowing that, maybe a loop hole exists for tailed beasts in regard to yin/yang. We have to keep another possibility in mind: perhaps Minato didn't actually take 100% of the Kyubi's Yin and seal it forever, perhaps some is always gonna be left over? We know that Naruto pulled all of the Kyubi's remaining chakra from him and stored it away; but the Kyubi still exists inside him! This means he can't be 100% will at this time, he has to have some chakra left right? Perhaps both Naruto and Minato left a little bit of both his yin and yang within him without ever really noticing it? It seems possible to me.

    As for Minato, his process of sealing the kyubi in the death god, sealing it in naruto and sealing both his and his wife's remaining chakra in Naruto is crazy to say the least. It seemed to me that as soon as he used Shikai Fujin, he'd die but in fact he had time to spare. Seems he knew exactly how long he had and was able to use it all perfectly. As for the sealing, I think it was a result of Minato's strength that pulled the Kyubi's chakra out so fast. In the Oro/ third hokage fight, he initially pulled Oro's soul out very fast and nearly killed him but was struck by his sword. But before that, he was still very weak from his age yet managed to pull it out quite fast. I think the strength or chakra level of the victim has no influence on how fast his soul is pulled out, I thought it was clear that only the strength of the user mattered i.e. the awesome 4th hokage.

    Lastly, thats a good thought about the So6P but #5 I'm unsure about. If element was essential to the So6P, wouldn't Madara have let us know that he has the 5th path too? I mean I guess its possible that Madara doesn't have an affinity anymore, but we have to assume for now he does, and its probably fire. Are you saying he needs a particular element? It is true we know very little hard facts about Madara's current abilities outside of teleporting so maybe he has lost his affinity.

    Oh and one other thing. I think it is clear that the Juubi is capable of being revived even if it doesn't consist of 100% of its original chakra. We know for a fact that Madara has used a large portion of the Beasts' chakra over the years to create zetsu clones, so much has been lost already. He must know something pretty basic, and my thoughts are that the Juubi can still be revived, but he will simply be smaller that he originally was due to his lower overall chakra levels. I guess the requirement is to have at least a little bit of each of the 9 beasts's chakra in order for the Juubi to come into existence. Perhaps the 'will' of all 9 beasts is required too and thus the Gedo Mazo is needed.
     
         
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    this is off topic but if the uzumaki are related to the senju the senju are related to the uchiha and the uchha are related to the hygua that makes naruto related to every single clan related to the sage of 6 paths just saying that could lead some where later in the manga just a guess
     
         

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    You're right Floydical and well said no body could've said it better, I agree with you at every point.
     
         

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    Naruto manga 526 Spoiler!!!!!!!!!! - http://tyrael-city.myminicity.com
     
         

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    6. Yes I think this means no more sage mode for Naruto... I believe that this new mode he has is an evolution of sage mode. However, I believe there is a reason they call someone with nature chakra, a sage...

    What happens when ONE individual has:

    1. (self chakra) (blue)
    2. (nature chakra) (yellow)
    3. (element chakra) (wind) (for naruto anyways)
    4. (bijuu chakra) (red)

    ??? anyone want to guess ???
    uh maybe kekkei genkai or dojutsu chakra:D
     
         

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