[Discussion] Kisame vs KinGin

[Professor Sarutobi]

First off, yes another kingin fight thread lol.

so the match up is Kisame with his special weapon samehada alone vs the KinGin bros and their special weapons.

i thought this would be a interesting fight because they are both tailed beast level powers while not being real hosts, use weapons as their main attack style and can transform to more powerful versions.

Mostly its about, can KinGin hit kisame and curse/seal him (w/e his word might be) before he drains them dry like he did with bee (who was a real host and had full control of his V2 form just like kinkaku has shown. Kisame beat one fully controled 8 tails host, do you guys think he can beat 2 faux 9tails hosts?

personally i think so but i wouldn't say he has an overwhelming odd of winning since they have the soul sealing game they can trick him with.

[Jitsugan]

Kisame, samehada would make kingin's chakra useless

[sharingan warrior]

kingin

[shadedcrow]

i'd go with kisame if he can seperate and restrict kin/gins movements like with his water prison. If he can't I'd give the match to the kaku bros because of advantage in numbers.

[Professor Sarutobi]

i'd go with kisame if he can seperate and restrict kin/gins movements like with his water prison. If he can't I'd give the match to the kaku bros because of advantage in numbers.

"I get stronger in direct proportion to how strong my opponent is. I do not tire, and cannot be defeated."
i think even with the 2 on 1 advantage kisame can still absorb anything they throw at him, he just has to avoid getting sealed in the gourd. so yeah his best bet is transforming and using the prison water dance

[shadedcrow]

I'd give that to kisame against the kaku brothers. Because we haven't seen the bros. with any taijuitsu skills the weakness to Kisames chakra absorbing abilitys. Kisame would be a monster if they used the banana fan or both went into demon cloak mode, and can avoid getting cursed with the sword and tagged with the rope. Again good match up and thread.

[Professor Sarutobi]

I'd give that to kisame against the kaku brothers. Because we haven't seen the bros. with any taijuitsu skills the weakness to Kisames chakra absorbing abilitys. Kisame would be a monster if they used the banana fan or both went into demon cloak mode, and can avoid getting cursed with the sword and tagged with the rope. Again good match up and thread.

Thanks, i think kisame is pretty underrated on here seeing as hes near unkillable and has more chakra then anyone else besides the 9tails (maybe lol)
and gets stronger the stronger his enemy is. sealing him or space/time sending him away from the fight is the only real way to beat him without being guy with 7 gates and kisame not knowing the attack he used.

[kisamexRocks]

Kisame, just needs the Mega Water Prison thing, that he did against Bee, then just move around and drown them lolol.

Although if he were to get hit by the rope he might get sealed, unless he figures out what the secret behind it is, he is a very intelligent ninja and I think he might figure it out. But It might be a clsoe fight, but Kisame should be able to pull it off.

[Draegod]

this isnt even a fight, kin gin dont even need 6 tails, that rope will touch kisame then its over. p.s. only reason kisame beat KB is because kb was playing with him in the beginning and later had to protect the monk and racoon. other wise 8 tails would of destroyed kisame no sweat!!!! kb said the reason he didnt wanna go full 8 tails was because he didnt want to draw attention i.e. his bro looking for him

[Draegod]

I'd give that to kisame against the kaku brothers. Because we haven't seen the bros. with any taijuitsu skills the weakness to Kisames chakra absorbing abilitys. Kisame would be a monster if they used the banana fan or both went into demon cloak mode, and can avoid getting cursed with the sword and tagged with the rope. Again good match up and thread.

the banana fan has all the 5 elements, so lightning>water first of all. second, kisame can only drain leaking chakra, that is a fact. unless he hits u with the sword, then it would sux chakra say from guy, kakashi, etc etc. but kisame is a beast tho.lol

[kisamexRocks]

the banana fan has all the 5 elements, so lightning>water first of all. second, kisame can only drain leaking chakra, that is a fact. unless he hits u with the sword, then it would sux chakra say from guy, kakashi, etc etc. but kisame is a beast tho.lol

Leaking chakra? What, Kisame's Samehada can drain chakra just by swinging. You don't have to hit the opponent but barely come close to him and the chakra is stolen like that.

[Gobi Gobletsson]

This is easy win for Kisame, his sword and his water Jutsus would destroy The KinGin brothers. :3

[Draegod]

Leaking chakra? What, Kisame's Samehada can drain chakra just by swinging. You don't have to hit the opponent but barely come close to him and the chakra is stolen like that.

ok, well why when team guy fought him in the begining he didnt once drain any one chakra? or, when he fought kb and kb threw that lighting pencil? dont say that didnt use chakra either. everytime kisame has sucked chakra its been from either naruto or kb leakig there chakra. unless u can prove me wrong i got u beat.. but i could be wrong

[shadedcrow]

Isn't most ninjuitsu made from elemental chakra types? And Kisames water prison is meant to restrict movement if his speed is faster in water than kin and gins and their weapons he would in theory be at an advantage. It would be a quick kill though if they used a lighting style tech from the fan if they could use it while under water, unless kisame could absorb the energy and not get boiled with a fire release from the fan.

@draegod- your talking about the Kisame clone that was given 30% of his chakra and with limited ninjuitsu and abilities vs team Guy right?

[Gobi Gobletsson]

ok, well why when team guy fought him in the begining he didnt once drain any one chakra? or, when he fought kb and kb threw that lighting pencil? dont say that didnt use chakra either. everytime kisame has sucked chakra its been from either naruto or kb leakig there chakra. unless u can prove me wrong i got u beat.. but i could be wrong

Gai doesn't really use Chakra... ~_~.... Hes a damn Taijutsu Specialist, also at the beginning, Kisame used a Jutsu Pein had, where he sacrafires a human bein' and the sacrafires takes the same shape as the one who used the jutsu and the Sacrafires will take 30% of the users Chakra into itself where after Kisame can controll it freely. >_> So when Gai's Team first time met Kisame he was only on 30% Chakra, and I bet the Shameda was greatly weakened too.

[Professor Sarutobi]

ok, well why when team guy fought him in the begining he didnt once drain any one chakra? or, when he fought kb and kb threw that lighting pencil? dont say that didnt use chakra either. everytime kisame has sucked chakra its been from either naruto or kb leakig there chakra. unless u can prove me wrong i got u beat.. but i could be wrong

first time we find out he can absorb chakra he stops naruto from using a jutsu before he formes the jutsu and it is inside him. i think he can willingly control the absorbing chakrabecause he didn't use it on asuma even tho he cut him but later drains naruto without touching him.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/146/17
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/146/18

[Draegod]

Gai doesn't really use Chakra... ~_~.... Hes a damn Taijutsu Specialist, also at the beginning, Kisame used a Jutsu Pein had, where he sacrafires a human bein' and the sacrafires takes the same shape as the one who used the jutsu and the Sacrafires will take 30% of the users Chakra into itself where after Kisame can controll it freely. >_> So when Gai's Team first time met Kisame he was only on 30% Chakra, and I bet the Shameda was greatly weakened too.

even kakashi said that jutsu made them have real techs, and they still had the same abilitys. also gai uses chakra, how do u think he can jump high, walk on water. he just doesnt use gen and nin. no where in the manga does it say he uses no chakra or uses little. hell when u go gates thats pure chakra, so that comeback u had is also null and void, unless u have better proof

[Draegod]

first time we find out he can absorb chakra he stops naruto from using a jutsu before he formes the jutsu and it is inside him. i think he can willingly control the absorbing chakrabecause he didn't use it on asuma even tho he cut him but later drains naruto without touching him.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/146/17
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/146/18

probaly, atleast u showed proof. but i think we both could be right, because asuma did use pure wind chakra to cut him and kb used pure lightning chakra aswell. but point is, is that rope touches him its as good as over, they dont need to go tails. they have a fan with incredibly high elemental techs and sealing weapons. u get what im saying?

[Professor Sarutobi]

this isnt even a fight, kin gin dont even need 6 tails, that rope will touch kisame then its over. p.s. only reason kisame beat KB is because kb was playing with him in the beginning and later had to protect the monk and racoon. other wise 8 tails would of destroyed kisame no sweat!!!! kb said the reason he didnt wanna go full 8 tails was because he didnt want to draw attention i.e. his bro looking for him

true he couldn't go 8tails or draw attention to him but ended up doing just that by fighting in v2, but kisame could drain him from V2 back into v1 tailed form with one swing, i doubt they can touch him with the rope without getting a ton of chakra sucked out at the same time, and if he uses the water prison/transformation if he even touches them he'll drain their chakra more.

[Draegod]

true he couldn't go 8tails or draw attention to him but ended up doing just that by fighting in v2, but kisame could drain him from V2 back into v1 tailed form with one swing, i doubt they can touch him with the rope without getting a ton of chakra sucked out at the same time, and if he uses the water prison/transformation if he even touches them he'll drain their chakra more.

true, but kisame is slow, period! they might get they chakra sucked but im sure they will manage to touch him with that rope. kisame is not fast, does not do taijutsu alot and has no defence besides the sword (even tho its a good defence.lol). and dont get me wrong im not down playing my boy kisame, he is a monster!lol

[Professor Sarutobi]

probaly, atleast u showed proof. but i think we both could be right, because asuma did use pure wind chakra to cut him and kb used pure lightning chakra aswell. but point is, is that rope touches him its as good as over, they dont need to go tails. they have a fan with incredibly high elemental techs and sealing weapons. u get what im saying?

i know what you mean but samehada can absorb alot at once (6 tails worth of v1 cloak) and he survived guy's most powerful move and could move afterwards i doubt that fire jutsu the fan used would do alot of good except blind him till its sucked up. and thats the one thing i think would let them win is him losing the word game, if they can hit him with the rope and he loses the game (lol i think kishi is using the "the game" meme) hes done.

[Gobi Gobletsson]

even kakashi said that jutsu made them have real techs, and they still had the same abilitys. also gai uses chakra, how do u think he can jump high, walk on water. he just doesnt use gen and nin. no where in the manga does it say he uses no chakra or uses little. hell when u go gates thats pure chakra, so that comeback u had is also null and void, unless u have better proof

When I say doesn't really, it doesn't mean he doesn't use any Chakra at all, lol... Derp. :3

[shadedcrow]

kisame might be slow but his shark torpedos are pretty fast. And I think the clones abilities are capped at 30 %, if they had = abilities I doubt Itachi would have used his paper dolls genjuitsu, when he could have used MS level genjuitsu and dojuitsu. I think it would be logical to apply the same logic to Kisames and his sword to have limited abilities, and juitsu.

[Draegod]

kisame might be slow but his shark torpedos are pretty fast. And I think the clones abilities are capped at 30 %, if they had = abilities I doubt Itachi would have used his paper dolls genjuitsu, when he could have used MS level genjuitsu and dojuitsu. I think it would be logical to apply the same logic to Kisames and his sword to have limited abilities, and juitsu.

itachi was good remember, he wouldnt use ms on naruto. if he would then he would of wen he gave naruto the "gift"

[Perkele311]

I think Kisame would win. He is a powerhouse and I think if they weren't brought back with Edo Tensei he would eat them for breakfast in a few moves. Pulling the chakra out of them before the word games even start.