Jiraiya VS Hiruzen Sarutobi

[platinum69]

Im going for Jiraiya... But I know Hiruzen Sarutobi will win :P

[Algalon]

lets take jiraiyas battle with pain

i dont think hiruzen would that well against him

but what realisticly stops itachi from catching jiraiya in genjutsu and slashing his throat?

true i dont see an non sharingan user to withstand itachis genjutsu because without strong sharingan there is no way to counter it

[narutogrg]

if u bcome a kage its not that u r the most powerful person in the prime time.like example tsunade is the current kage n do u all think that she is the most powrful ninja in the whole leaf ? i say No! but Jiraya Vs 3rd hokage , i think the 3rd would win against the legendary seninthough yae jiraya was in a kage level.but 3rd kage would b victorious as we know that kishi said that the 3rd was the most powerful kage among the five ,so 3rd wins the show!

[NewKageism]

For some reason I could see the third just beating up Jman with this song with them bleeding all over the place with his lip busted in the back the kids singing "I cant take this pain I can't this world is insane."

When 3rd pull all his weapon out he finshes Jman. He cries a tear and let the monkey stick fall with thunder. (Chillertastic Underground Music in Music section of Narutobase put your favorite underground music there)

[Algalon]

For some reason I could see the third just beating up Jman with this song with them bleeding all over the place with his lip busted in the back the kids singing "I cant take this pain I can't this world is insane."

When 3rd pull all his weapon out he finshes Jman. He cries a tear and let the monkey stick fall with thunder. (Chillertastic Underground Music in Music section of Narutobase put your favorite underground music there)

why the hell do all rap songs sound alike?

except with a few exceptions

[kushinaminato]

I'm not exactly sure who would win, I mean there's alot of factors to take in,

1. Hiruzen in his prime its no question he has it, Iruka once said he is hailed as konaha's strongest kage...think about that, Iruka was alive around the time Minato was around, not to mention the first and second.

2. Hiruzen was given the name of the God of Shinobi... I'd say thats a pretty snazzy nickname to have, not to mention it was said Hiruzen had never lost a battle up until Orochimaru challenged when he was in his 70's or 80's, And still kinda won.

3. Another factor to take into account is the fact Hiruzen was his master, He taught him alot of things and must know to an extent Jiriaya's battle strategies.

It's a tough one guys but I still gotta go with Hiruzen, He was ahead of his time and it still shows.

[Kakashi Fang]

Hiruzen has this in any state.

[Professor Sarutobi]

Well you know perfectly that when jiraiya fought oro when he wanted to leave jiraiya wasn't as strong as he is now and he didn't go all out on him because he was his friend on the other hand orochimaru didn't care about him.

Why are you talking about itachi etc ... ?
Oro got raped by him and itachi and kisame were scared, that was said why do people make excuses ?

you don't know that because we dont' see the fight, they were both adults it happened after the 2nd 9tails attack because thats when the 3rd discovered oro doing his forbidden jutsu research, he learned sage mode and everything hes used growing up so he should be as strong or stronger since his body was younger.

i mention Itachi because him raping oro doesn't make oro weaker then jiraiya because jiraiya would lose in the same situation, and itachi and kisame weren't scared itachi was bullshiting a reason so they didn't have to fight, remember itachi was a good guy all along. no excuses just the fact that jiraiya never beat oro in anything.

so oro>jiraiya 50 year old 3rd>sannin.

[Serpent]

the 3 Hokage, Orochimaru only won because the 3rd was sick and old

[shadedcrow]

wasnt Orochimaru already on his second or third body when he battled the 3rd hokage?

[Professor Sarutobi]

wasnt Orochimaru already on his second or third body when he battled the 3rd hokage?

2nd, and he didn't switch bodies again untill sasuke left the village and faught naruto.

[JMAN]

you don't know that because we dont' see the fight, they were both adults it happened after the 2nd 9tails attack because thats when the 3rd discovered oro doing his forbidden jutsu research, he learned sage mode and everything hes used growing up so he should be as strong or stronger since his body was younger.

i mention Itachi because him raping oro doesn't make oro weaker then jiraiya because jiraiya would lose in the same situation, and itachi and kisame weren't scared itachi was bullshiting a reason so they didn't have to fight, remember itachi was a good guy all along. no excuses just the fact that jiraiya never beat oro in anything.

so oro>jiraiya 50 year old 3rd>sannin.

Yes we do know that, they showed a little extract of the battle and we clearly saw that jiraiya was just trying to stop him and Oro didn't care about him and could even have killed him.

And what makes you think that Jiraiya fought to kill when trying to stop Oro ?

Itachi was on the good side, yeah but Kisame was he on the good side? I think not. He himself said that he wasn't on the same level.

Naruto at the time when Sasuke went away was weaker than him but after the Pain arc Zetsu clearly stated that Naruto was stronger.
That shows that people can improve. And Jman improved.
Do you think Oro could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain, he almost beat him. I highly doubt it

Do you think Hiruzen(old) could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain?

[NewKageism]

the 3 Hokage, Orochimaru only won because the 3rd was sick and old

I consider that a tie. The third was pretty good he was just outnumber in trap in the barrier that Oro people did. If it was more open space he maybe would have had more stuff up his sleeve. Oro broke away before he soul could be removed so it wasn't like he beat the 3rd.

[NewKageism]

Yes we do know that, they showed a little extract of the battle and we clearly saw that jiraiya was just trying to stop him and Oro didn't care about him and could even have killed him.

And what makes you think that Jiraiya fought to kill when trying to stop Oro ?

Itachi was on the good side, yeah but Kisame was he on the good side? I think not. He himself said that he wasn't on the same level.

Naruto at the time when Sasuke went away was weaker than him but after the Pain arc Zetsu clearly stated that Naruto was stronger.
That shows that people can improve. And Jman improved.
Do you think Oro could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain, he almost beat him. I highly doubt it

Do you think Hiruzen(old) could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain?

First of all Oro is a smart guy not saying Jman is not smart. But he wouldn't have went by himself. He would have brought some of his loyalist with him because he is a boss thats what he does.

Oro improved a-lot since he became evil. He knew he had to after the fight with Hanzo and his friends disbanding he did his own thing to become the best.

To add on to my first paragraph hell yes I think Oro could have done the same thing Jman did to pain kill some of his paths. Why wouldn't you think? But instead of Jman getting his arm ripped Oro would just make another arm and leave.

The old man could have did the same thing to pain too why wouldn't you think he coudln't. But he would have died like Jman too if he got his armed ripped at the at the age he was and blood would leak more.

[Cyborg]

It depends....if Jiraiya is in sage mode he would win . However, if the 3rd hokage is not old and still knows the Death Reaper Seal, then they both die. 3rd wins if he's at his prime Jiraiya is not in sage mode

[NewKageism]

It depends....if Jiraiya is in sage mode he would win . However, if the 3rd hokage is not old and still knows the Death Reaper Seal, then they both die. 3rd wins if he's at his prime Jiraiya is not in sage mode

Ooo ok but what would Jiraiya do in sage mode that would beat the 3rd. Just asking

[Cyborg]

Ooo ok but what would Jiraiya do in sage mode that would beat the 3rd. Just asking

Frog genjutsu + Gargantuan rasengan

[Algalon]

so far i think hiruzen was only a genious and could use extremely powerful but NORMAL techniques (except mby death reaper seal) but jiraiya on the other hand had sage mode

i personally think that there are normal abilities taijutsu genjutsu and ninjutsu from D.A rank and there are some abilities which are beyond these such as S rank techniques, sharingan, rinnegan, jinchuuriki power, sage mode

[NewKageism]

Frog genjutsu + Gargantuan rasengan

Nice I could see that happening big time. I pretty sure Hiruzen would summon his monkey king to keep the frogs busy. But then again Jiraiya might summon the toad warriors. Ermmmm wow.

[NewKageism]

Frog genjutsu + Gargantuan rasengan

Also he has to get to sage mode. The third will try to prevent him

[Kakashi Fang]

Yes because it takes far too long for Jiraiya to even get into sage mode and he has to keep that same hand seal or he will have to start over.

[Dabz]

this is stupid! saratobi would kill jiraiya, however this isnt to say that orochimaru is stronger than jiraiya. (even tho i think he is, hehe)

[Professor Sarutobi]

Yes we do know that, they showed a little extract of the battle and we clearly saw that jiraiya was just trying to stop him and Oro didn't care about him and could even have killed him.

And what makes you think that Jiraiya fought to kill when trying to stop Oro ?

Itachi was on the good side, yeah but Kisame was he on the good side? I think not. He himself said that he wasn't on the same level.

Naruto at the time when Sasuke went away was weaker than him but after the Pain arc Zetsu clearly stated that Naruto was stronger.
That shows that people can improve. And Jman improved.
Do you think Oro could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain, he almost beat him. I highly doubt it

Do you think Hiruzen(old) could have done what Jiraiya did to Pain?

so he can only defeat orochimaru when hes fighting to kill? so he can't defeat him without use of deadly force then they are probably even at best.

no kisame isn't good but he did have trust in itachi and thought they were both on the same side, if he says they wouldn't win and they should run, they run, if he says hes only running because hes trying to avoid a big fight, kisame belives him.

yeah of course people improve, jiraiya wasn't the only sannin that got better either, oro didn't show that he had body shedding or edo tensei or his crazy giant snake summons untill current timeline so we don't know either of their "full" power when they went 1v1. Oro could survive alot of stuff, rockets/blades/chakra blasts from android pain no sweat, hes got plenty of chakra to fight powerful enemeies unless his host body is rejecting him making him weaker.

I bet he could kill several pains if not all of them, he was in akatsuki and knew more then anyone else thought he did (sasori's real form, got pain/itachi's/kazuku/deidara's dna) so if kabuto had nagato's dna to summon him but didn't have the chance to get it after he died then oro or kabuto found a way to get to him and knew his secret or it would have brought back one of the corpses he used for pathes instead of real nagato, thats one advantage jiraiya didn't have untill it was too late.

and 50-60 year old hiruzen im doubtful he could fight off all 6 pains alone because his chakra levels are so low he couldn't even afford to use shadow clones and couldn't finish sealing orochimaru's whole soul, hes smart enough to figure the linked eyesight and powers out but he'd need his young body and chakra to execute his plans.

[McKnockout]

To be honest, I'm gonna say Hiruzen's got this one. Provided he is in his Prime.

The Prime Hiruzen is wiser, has more battle experience and has a more vast knowledge of jutsu (ninjutsu). IMO, he would also be more proficient in taijutsu as well as genjutsu compared to Jiraiya. The only way for Jiraiya to beat his sensei is if he uses sage mode, which takes a fair amount of time to initiate (which Hiruzen will know, since this is Hiruzen we're talking about). So, if they were to fight Hiruzen wouldnt allow Jiraiya to go into sage mode (Jiraiya's best tech) which will give Hiruzen the win.

So yeah, Jiraiya is good but he won't be able to beat the 3rd (I'm assuming that they're both at their prime). One things for sure though, it would be one hell of a fight.

[Algalon]

i wasnt impresed by hiruzen, not his jutsu, not his speed, not his taijutsu not even his summoning only his seal