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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by LazyShuriken View Post
    I don't have time to track down the exact chapter, but Madara said himself that he gave Nagato Rinnengan, and thus he fought with Konan to reclaim it. Nagato's heredity has nothing to do with it..

    (sorry if someone already mentioned this in page 3, only read up to 2 before I have to run out the door! which reminds me.. *runs*)
    Madara did give Nagato rinnegan, but being an uzumaki might have something to do with it (or not).
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuubislayer View Post
    Madara did give Nagato rinnegan, but being an uzumaki might have something to do with it (or not).
    Bah, only Kishi knows I suppose'. :D
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    Both awnsers are each partialy correct, the first instance where Negatos rinningan appeared was when the ninja killed his parents and he freaked out and then blamo, leaf ninja are dead and Negato was like wth???, and then again when he was with his friends and dog and was active since.


    Ok so earlier I proposed the theory that you can get a rough estimate to how far the 1st hokage Harishima Senju/ the Uzumaki and their child , and Madara are away from the Sage in terms of generations. And you can use relative age of given charaters like Kakazu whos like 86ish years old was around to try and take out 1st hokage and survived using forbiden juitsu. To kind of gague how long it could have been between the Time of the sage and the time of the first hokage. Again its kind of a stretchy theory, but its not wildly crazy.

    in the manga were given a family tree of the with diffrent tiers
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/462/13

    in the picture there are between 3-5 tiers depending on what part your looking at. and if each tier is represanative of a generation you can get about how far they are removed from the sage.


    The anime version of what im talking about is but i think this one puts a more accurate version of the family tree having about 13 tiers in total
    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Shi...de-203-2864455
    starting at 4:40/11:33

    So between the two i think its ok to say that the Uzumaki relation to the senju and the the sage of the six paths is either4-6 generations from t the family tree in the manga. And I'd say about 12-14 generations removed from the fanily tree in the anime that was just released.


    Its kind of a jump from one to the other, but I'd go with the anime version this time. Because the poliferation of genetics would make more sense with the more generations and time that passes, and makes it easier to see how Negato could be of the Uzumaki clan and born/lived in the Rain have the Sages chakra and will ect and not have the last Name Uzumaki.
    Thats a pretty good analysis.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuubislayer View Post
    In 510, Madara stated that Nagato was the third path. Madara already has Senju and Uchiha. I think sharingan, byakugon, and probaly rinnigan decended as three paths from so6p.The Uzumaki with their rinnigan and superior sealing could be a decendent of both the body son of so6p and the eye son.
    ....the third path was the rinnegan...
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuubislayer View Post
    What I question is why no known Senjus have rinnegan.
    Senju is the body and uchiha is the eyes... U need both to acquire rinnegan...
    This is how nagato got his... Coz madara did something to him which allowed him to develop rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    Both awnsers are each partialy correct, the first instance where Negatos rinningan appeared was when the ninja killed his parents and he freaked out and then blamo, leaf ninja are dead and Negato was like wth???, and then again when he was with his friends and dog and was active since.


    Ok so earlier I proposed the theory that you can get a rough estimate to how far the 1st hokage Harishima Senju/ the Uzumaki and their child , and Madara are away from the Sage in terms of generations. And you can use relative age of given charaters like Kakazu whos like 86ish years old was around to try and take out 1st hokage and survived using forbiden juitsu. To kind of gague how long it could have been between the Time of the sage and the time of the first hokage. Again its kind of a stretchy theory, but its not wildly crazy.

    in the manga were given a family tree of the with diffrent tiers


    in the picture there are between 3-5 tiers depending on what part your looking at. and if each tier is represanative of a generation you can get about how far they are removed from the sage.


    The anime version of what im talking about is but i think this one puts a more accurate version of the family tree having about 13 tiers in total


    So between the two i think its ok to say that the Uzumaki relation to the senju and the the sage of the six paths is either4-6 generations from t the family tree in the manga. And I'd say about 12-14 generations removed from the fanily tree in the anime that was just released.


    Its kind of a jump from one to the other, but I'd go with the anime version this time. Because the poliferation of genetics would make more sense with the more generations and time that passes, and makes it easier to see how Negato could be of the Uzumaki clan and born/lived in the Rain have the Sages chakra and will ect and not have the last Name Uzumaki.
    I agree that nagato is a relative of the uzumaki if not directly related. On page 16 of chapter 510 madara speaks to nagatos dead body, saying...look at you, you overexerted yourself so much that the trademark read hair of the uzumaki clan has gone snow white, implying nagato is of the uzumaki clan?

    And also on this same page madara refers to nagato as the 3rd of the sixth paths? If all sixth paths come together So6p is reborn???? just possibly
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    yeah you are right
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Yeah your right.. naruto and nagato both are uzumaki, nagato having the rinnegan and naruto having the body of the sage.. interesting dude :D
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuubislayer View Post
    Thats a pretty good analysis.
    Thank you sir, rember you cant spell analysis with out the letters anl. lol sorry had to do that because sometimes I'm a pain in the ass. lol waka waka waka...


    Quote Originally Posted by Minashi View Post
    I agree that nagato is a relative of the uzumaki if not directly related. On page 16 of chapter 510 madara speaks to nagatos dead body, saying...look at you, you overexerted yourself so much that the trademark read hair of the uzumaki clan has gone snow white, implying nagato is of the uzumaki clan?

    And also on this same page madara refers to nagato as the 3rd of the sixth paths? If all sixth paths come together So6p is reborn???? just possibly
    One dosent have to be reborn to be reformed. Look at that pain in the ass Orochimaru. He keeps comming back like a herpies flair up. Not that I have herpies, but I see commercials on tv about them all the time and they seem like its a huge pain. lol

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Hmmm...dunno why but somehow from the anime episode 203, it seems to me that Naruto is indeed closely related to Hashirama( with Madara constantly stressing the fact that he sees Hashirama in Naruto over and over again in the anime)...I dont think I got the same impression from the corresponding chapter in the manga...Also the fact that Madara states that the younger son inherits the sage's life-force and physical body, its like the uzumakis get the sage's life-force(their longevity) and vast chakra(the bit of the sage that the Uchiha are supposed to get)...so it really doesnt make sense to me...unless of course if SoSP himself was Uzumaki, then it kinda makes perfect sense coz. before sealing jubi within himself, he would've been just like any other Uzumaki(with his physical body, longevity, life-force and vast chakra)...that what I think though...
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwarf in the Flask View Post


    I doubt naruto will unlock the rinnengan tbh. But I've wondered why there was no senji with the rinnengan to be honest. Maybe kakashi was right and it was a mutation caused by madara somehow. Something to do with the senji dna in uzamaki.
    i agree i highly doubt that naruto will get the rinnegan even if he is a decendant of So6p i just think that it doesn't suit naruto in his character as we have seen in thr past naruto works extremely hard to earn his strength e.g. rassengan, 9 tails power, rassen-shurikin and so on, i doubt kishi will change the way naruto grows in strength by simply giving him a rinniegan it just is so out of place and as for why the rinnegan hasn't appeared in any senju i believe that can't be answered as of yet, as we know little about the rinnegan as in the way it develops and the full extent of its power and so on, so i guess we just have to hope that kishi reveals more about it at some point otherwise we'll all be left guessing and making assumption about it
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Naruto is half uzumaki...His dad is namikaze so half half...but maybe half of the uzumaki gives him the chakra and strong body and the other half of the namikaze...could give him something else for the rinnegan...lool i mean his dad 4th hokage is a genius and very powerful...idk THIS IS A THEORY SO DONT JUDGE ME :P
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuubislayer View Post
    Madara did claim to give Nagato rinnegan,maybe certain bloodline conditions had to be made. We know for sure Nagato was Uzumaki and he was the third path. Madara could be referring to just the eyes as a path or uzumaki in general.
    i believe it's said that the rinnegan only appears in time's of great turmoil and struggle amongst the world but as for how madara could know how to awaken it and know the correct conditions probably lies in his identity still unknown at the moment and a lot of debate surrounding it
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Their were no Senju until The Second Son and His descendant started to call themselves Senju. What was the family Name of the SO6P when He was alive? It was not Senju nor Uchiha, could it have ben Uzumaki? Could the SO6P have had brothers or sisters? that their would clearly explain, why Uzumaki are distanced relatives to the Senju and the Uchiha. Think about it.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    Their were no Senju until The Second Son and His descendant started to call themselves Senju. What was the family Name of the SO6P when He was alive? It was not Senju nor Uchiha, could it have ben Uzumaki? Could the SO6P have had brothers or sisters? that their would clearly explain, why Uzumaki are distanced relatives to the Senju and the Uchiha. Think about it.
    yep agreed...I made some similar points in my post earlier...

    Also, What about SoSP's wife??????? What if SHE was an Uzumaki??? Weve all been restricting ourselves to SoSP and the Senju but I think we could give some thought to the fact that the brothers had a mum too instead of just a dad??

    I mean she had to be pretty incredible to get married(or not??) to SoSP right??? I mean look at Kushina, Mito...maybe the Uzumakis continued the tradition of letting SoSPs successors(the younger brother's descendants and NOT the Uchiha) marry an Uzumaki once in a while?
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    the Senju clan is distance relatives to the younger son of the six paths who possess the "body" which means they have excellent chakra control. the 1st hokage(Hashirama Senju) was married to Mito Uzamaki the first nine tails jinchuriki host. On Mito's death bed the nine tails was sealed in Kushina Uzamaki the mother of Naruto Uzamaki. The sage, the Senjus, the uzamakis, and the nine tails are all linked together.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    I am new on the BASE and i like most of theory's you guys come up with and i want to ask did Hashirama SENJU had kids with Mito UZUMAKI?
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    its not mentioned in the manga or anime but Tsanade is their grandaughter
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    i don't think so since madra was the one who gave nagato the rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: Uzumaki connections with the Senju and So6p

    i beleive that six paths represent clans, (uchiha, senju, uzumaki) we will just have to wait to see what the other three aree...and the rinnegan didnt appear naturally in the uzumaki (sage body) clan, madara says he gave nagato his rinnegan
     
         

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