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    / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Ok so this just kinda of clicked, partially to the recent upsurge of Sage of The Six Paths Questions/Threads, and also the privious threads about the Bykaugan/Sharingan/Riningan/EMS therads as well.With this being said this is pretty much all your faults for creating and pieceing everything together loosely for me to put together in my head. haha thank you! Oh and I'll be using anime and manga refferances to support and reinfoce my theory.


    Basicly in my Sage of the Six Paths string theory The Sage of the Six Paths is at least part Uzumaki or from the Land of Uzumaki(we here in america kind of get the shaft on this info because One of the definitions of narutos last name is whirlpool (Land of Whirlpools= Land of Uzumaki) and even more so the Eddy Village where Narutos mom Kruishna, and also Mito Uzumaki)

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/2
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11


    Narutos mom says that the ninja of the leafs Senju clan and the Uzumaki of the eddy village were distant Blood relatives, but not how, but in saying so it would also make them blood relatives of the Uchiha. And we know that Senju and Uchiha are also distant Blood relatives/decendants of the Sage of The Six Paths through his two sons, from what Madara says to Konan The Sage was the two bloodlines and clans in one body(Aka The father of Senju and Uchiha) Uzumaki.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11



    We dont know where the Sage came from but we know he wandered around preaching about chakra, and teaching about peace and what would become ninjuitsu. We also know that the Sage of The Six Paths is/was extemely proficent in the art of Sealing style juitsu, as well as the the Eddy villages Uzumaki, and other clans.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/446/10 Jiryas version of the Sage

    Besides whos would make a better wandering sage who advocates peace and the use of ninjitsu for peace .Than somone whos home land/ village was destroyed by war?
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/4
     
         

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    um there are somethings i want cleared up plz
    1. i didn't understand where u were going with kushina and mito? i understand they were from uzumaki clan but what does this have to do with ur theory?
    2. (i didn't really understand this in manga so sorry) weren't the clans formed after him preaching about chakra and stuff? Like that ppl made jutsu and stuff and formed clans and that senju and uchiha were first clans and before that no ninjas only samurai before sage
    3. The uzumaki clan wasn't destroyed until Minato/Kushina's time (this i know for sure)
    I thought this theory was pretty interesting but not much about sage for any real proof
    I'm almost 90% sure than uzumaki was part of s0sp not original clan
     
         
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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Wait, so you're saying, that the rikudou sennin was from the land of Uzumaki / was an Uzumaki?
    The SO6P is the founder of ninjutsu, he brought about the shinobi world. The 'eddy village'/Uzumaki (?) was very proficient in the art of sealing style jutsu, but that had to be after the SO6P, because he taught jutsu in the first place.
    The war that Kushina was talking about, it seems like a shinobi war, so it must've taken place after the Sage...
    I think it's the other way around, the Uzumaki is...'part' Sage...like Senju + Uchiha. (Except they branch off of Senju)
    I think anyway >__>
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Uzumaki clan is definitly a representation of the "body" just by their long lives. I definitely like the sealing concept too, I mean four of his five legendary weapons were all about sealing away the soul. Buuuut you also have the Kin/Gin bros were descendants of the sage as well, and they resided in the cloud country. However the cloud country were the ones that tried to kidnap Kushina, I THINK there purpose was to make her a jinchuuriki, can't 100% recall, either way it dealt with her bloodline.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by DESTRUCTO View Post
    Uzumaki clan is definitly a representation of the "body" just by their long lives. I definitely like the sealing concept too, I mean four of his five legendary weapons were all about sealing away the soul. Buuuut you also have the Kin/Gin bros were descendants of the sage as well, and they resided in the cloud country. However the cloud country were the ones that tried to kidnap Kushina, I THINK there purpose was to make her a jinchuuriki, can't 100% recall, either way it dealt with her bloodline.
    i thought it was b/c they wanted to steal jinchuuriki and/or her strong chakra
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninetails Fox View Post
    i thought it was b/c they wanted to steal jinchuuriki and/or her strong chakra
    It was something like that, either way it dealt with her bloodline and who she was, whatever their purpose was.
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninetails Fox View Post
    um there are somethings i want cleared up plz
    1. i didn't understand where u were going with kushina and mito? i understand they were from uzumaki clan but what does this have to do with ur theory?
    2. (i didn't really understand this in manga so sorry) weren't the clans formed after him preaching about chakra and stuff? Like that ppl made jutsu and stuff and formed clans and that senju and uchiha were first clans and before that no ninjas only samurai before sage
    3. The uzumaki clan wasn't destroyed until Minato/Kushina's time (this i know for sure)
    I thought this theory was pretty interesting but not much about sage for any real proof
    I'm almost 90% sure than uzumaki was part of s0sp not original clan
    i was unclear also about some of the same things But...Uchiha and Senju werent the FIRST clans....they were just the first to come together and make a village (The LEAF)
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    it might be that the clans existed before the sot6p invited the ninjutsu, however, that had to be a time without kgs and without uchihas and senjus, which were the descendants of sot6p. if sot6p was an uzumaki, the first uchiha and the first senju would have been uzumaki too, but obviously, they dont have the typical attitudes.

    since kishi only mentioned that the uzumaki were distant relatives of the senju (what was not mentioned with the uchiha) I'll stick with the believe that they developed from the senju like the hyuga probably did with the uchiha. kind of a sub-clan.
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninetails Fox View Post
    um there are somethings i want cleared up plz
    1. i didn't understand where u were going with kushina and mito? i understand they were from uzumaki clan but what does this have to do with ur theory?
    2. (i didn't really understand this in manga so sorry) weren't the clans formed after him preaching about chakra and stuff? Like that ppl made jutsu and stuff and formed clans and that senju and uchiha were first clans and before that no ninjas only samurai before sage
    3. The uzumaki clan wasn't destroyed until Minato/Kushina's time (this i know for sure)
    I thought this theory was pretty interesting but not much about sage for any real proof
    I'm almost 90% sure than uzumaki was part of s0sp not original clan
    1)Mitosama and Naruto's mother were from the land of whirlpools(who were proficent at sealing style juitsu) And the eddy village. Mito the first hokages wife sealed the nine tailed beast into herself after Harishama took controll of it from Madara during his first attack on the leaf village, and sealed it into herself becoming the first ninetailes jinjuriki. Also the the eddy village/land of Island of whirlpools( Uzumaki) were feard for their sealing abilites and their land destroyed because of it.
    2)no the clans were already formedm Madara explains this more in the chapter where hes talking to Sauske, and said something to the effect that the clans at the time were basicly armies for hire. The Senju of the forest were considered the best and the Uchiha were the only ones who pretty much stood a chance to stop them in battle.
    3)The Uzumaki clans are not destroyed they are basicly disbanded and no longer using the name or carry their crest. Except for the leaf village who still carry and use it at this time.And if the Uzumaki clans were totaly distroyed why do we have Mito Uzumaki, and Kurishina Uzumaki, Naruto Uzumaki, and Negato. Who was of the Uzumaki clan even with out haveing the last name?
    4)Your more than welcome to retort and express your ideas about it here on this thread.


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    I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!
    Thanks! Me to thanks to everyone again who helped with all their other threads ect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Train View Post
    Wait, so you're saying, that the rikudou sennin was from the land of Uzumaki / was an Uzumaki?
    The SO6P is the founder of ninjutsu, he brought about the shinobi world. The 'eddy village'/Uzumaki (?) was very proficient in the art of sealing style jutsu, but that had to be after the SO6P, because he taught jutsu in the first place.
    The war that Kushina was talking about, it seems like a shinobi war, so it must've taken place after the Sage...
    I think it's the other way around, the Uzumaki is...'part' Sage...like Senju + Uchiha. (Except they branch off of Senju)
    I think anyway >__>
    Why did the eddy village have to exist afterwards, the sage the sage preached peace, and using chakra or ninjuitsu for the perpouse of peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by DESTRUCTO View Post
    Uzumaki clan is definitly a representation of the "body" just by their long lives. I definitely like the sealing concept too, I mean four of his five legendary weapons were all about sealing away the soul. Buuuut you also have the Kin/Gin bros were descendants of the sage as well, and they resided in the cloud country. However the cloud country were the ones that tried to kidnap Kushina, I THINK there purpose was to make her a jinchuuriki, can't 100% recall, either way it dealt with her bloodline.
    I can agree with the kidnapping of Kushina to turn her into the eight tailed beast host, because if you look back, Killer Bee was turned into the 8 tailed beast jinjuriki because of a series of failures to find a suitable host. Kurishnas body and chakra were suited to supress the nine tailes chakra if she could do that with the nine tails the second strongest only to the 10 tailed beast the 8 tailed beast would be just as easy. And its not even certain that Kin/Gin were decentants of the Sage of the six paths.But they could be Uzumaki or of Uzumaki decent like Negato as well. Rember the decendants and clans the the eddy village were spread through out the world.

    And even another fact to back up the sages sealing abilites is that he was the first jinjuriki when he sealed the 10 tailed beast into his body. And the split it apart before he died and created the 9 tailed beasts.

    If you look at episode 172, You see Negatos mom who has red hair too which kind could mean that she was also a Uzumaki that was displaced after the distruction of the Land/Island of whirlpools. As well as Negato using a barrier type juitsu around the 19minute mark. A barrier juitsu is a form of sealing juitsu. Shazow

    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Shi...de-172-2108894
    Quote Originally Posted by Ninetails Fox View Post
    i thought it was b/c they wanted to steal jinchuuriki and/or her strong chakra
    See above.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaTrutHurtz View Post
    i was unclear also about some of the same things But...Uchiha and Senju werent the FIRST clans....they were just the first to come together and make a village (The LEAF)
    We dont know that they were the first to come together and make a village but they were the first village to exist as a millitary force in a country. The one village/ one country concept then the other countrys did the same.


    Quote Originally Posted by Revan View Post
    it might be that the clans existed before the sot6p invited the ninjutsu, however, that had to be a time without kgs and without uchihas and senjus, which were the descendants of sot6p. if sot6p was an uzumaki, the first uchiha and the first senju would have been uzumaki too, but obviously, they dont have the typical attitudes.

    since kishi only mentioned that the uzumaki were distant relatives of the senju (what was not mentioned with the uchiha) I'll stick with the believe that they developed from the senju like the hyuga probably did with the uchiha. kind of a sub-clan.
    If the Sage of the Six Paths was Uzumaki and his decendants formed the Senju, and Uchiha bloodlines/clans. We dont know which bloodline and clans came first.

    Say this(as it kind of is played out in the series) if your father was the sage of the six paths(in my theory an Uzumaki the the distant ancestor of the senju) and then you(the older brother whos decendants becaue uchiha) had another brother say he was the younger brother of the sage(whos decendants became Senju). So the Sage wanted your younger brother to take place as leader of the clan instead of you who it normaly/ traditionaly would go to and who you thought it was going to. So you attack your brother both renouce your origional clan name, and start your own clans senju and uchiha. Your decendants continue to battle and fight through the ages and then finally your younger brothers decendants (senju) offers a truce to your decendants(uchiha) and they form the leaf village in the land of fire.

    You cant be a distant relative of the Senju and not be a distant relative of the uchiha who were the Senjus/Sages distant relatives, because of the Sage of the six paths (in my theory Uzumaki) its like saying your not related to a cousin lets say a girl who has a diffrent last name than your mothers maiden name or your fathers last name. Look at Negato trademark red Uzumaki hair, his mother could have been a Uzumaki but when she married Negatos father she (also had red hair btw) no longer would have the Uzumaki last name and would take his clan/last name. And then pass that to negato being the only child.)< still plausable and with in reason)

    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Shi...de-172-2108894




    Thanks to all the peeps who are posting and voting right now its still plausable, and yes has the majority of the votes.
     
         
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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    You had me all the way up till you said about the Land of Whirlpools being destroyed at the time of the So6p this happend long after his time. But it does make sence if you said like when the truce happened the Senju and Uchiha cross breed and created the Uzumaki I thing it would sound better.....
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by HightimesHoward View Post
    You had me all the way up till you said about the Land of Whirlpools being destroyed at the time of the So6p this happend long after his time. But it does make sence if you said like when the truce happened the Senju and Uchiha cross breed and created the Uzumaki I thing it would sound better.....
    Thats cool, thanks for your post.

    Can anyone tell me if the Land of Waves, is diffrent than the Land of Whirlpools the (Island where Naruto and Sauske fought Zabuza and Sauske took sigetsu to claim Zabuzas beheader blade?)
    I guess they could be the same and the land of waves dosent have a hidden village/ village of ninja. And the Shinobi of the eddy village were dispersed through out the world with their sealing techniques still could and would make some sense.
     
         
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    I apologise for coming off arrogant... But can you sum up your theory in 2 sentences?
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    Ok so this just kinda of clicked, partially to the recent upsurge of Sage of The Six Paths Questions/Threads, and also the privious threads about the Bykaugan/Sharingan/Riningan/EMS therads as well.With this being said this is pretty much all your faults for creating and pieceing everything together loosely for me to put together in my head. haha thank you! Oh and I'll be using anime and manga refferances to support and reinfoce my theory.


    Basicly in my Sage of the Six Paths string theory The Sage of the Six Paths is at least part Uzumaki or from the Land of Uzumaki(we here in america kind of get the shaft on this info because One of the definitions of narutos last name is whirlpool (Land of Whirlpools= Land of Uzumaki) and even more so the Eddy Village where Narutos mom Kruishna, and also Mito Uzumaki)

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/2
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11


    Narutos mom says that the ninja of the leafs Senju clan and the Uzumaki of the eddy village were distant Blood relatives, but not how, but in saying so it would also make them blood relatives of the Uchiha. And we know that Senju and Uchiha are also distant Blood relatives/decendants of the Sage of The Six Paths through his two sons, from what Madara says to Konan The Sage was the two bloodlines and clans in one body(Aka The father of Senju and Uchiha) Uzumaki.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11



    We dont know where the Sage came from but we know he wandered around preaching about chakra, and teaching about peace and what would become ninjuitsu. We also know that the Sage of The Six Paths is/was extemely proficent in the art of Sealing style juitsu, as well as the the Eddy villages Uzumaki, and other clans.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/446/10 Jiryas version of the Sage

    Besides whos would make a better wandering sage who advocates peace and the use of ninjitsu for peace .Than somone whos home land/ village was destroyed by war?
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/4
    Nice idea...i like it...and it's more than possible...uchiha and senyu and sanyu and uzumaki that means uchiha and uzumaki too...that means that uzumaki is closely connected with sage of 6 paths...and he was extremely good at making seals when he managed to seal 10 tails...and there is something more about sage and uzumaki...sage had enormous amount of chakra and that is characteristic of uzumaki clan too...
     
         

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    konoha were friendly with whirpool and edd (hence the spiral on the back), but konoha was founded long after SO6P by senju and uchiha (the descendands), but eddy village was destroyed after that, otherwise they could not have been allyes

    good theory but im sorry i dont think it is correct, but he still might have been an uzumaki but we yet have no proof (mby a little hints)
     
         

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    Re: / Spoiler/Discussion: Sage of the Six Paths Origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minato The Fourth Hokage View Post
    konoha were friendly with whirpool and edd (hence the spiral on the back), but konoha was founded long after SO6P by senju and uchiha (the descendands), but eddy village was destroyed after that, otherwise they could not have been allyes

    good theory but im sorry i dont think it is correct, but he still might have been an uzumaki but we yet have no proof (mby a little hints)
    The senju of the leaf and Uzumaki of the eddy village were not just friends they were related some how and at one point, according to Narutos mom. I posted the link in the original post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gama View Post
    Nice idea...i like it...and it's more than possible...uchiha and senyu and sanyu and uzumaki that means uchiha and uzumaki too...that means that uzumaki is closely connected with sage of 6 paths...and he was extremely good at making seals when he managed to seal 10 tails...and there is something more about sage and uzumaki...sage had enormous amount of chakra and that is characteristic of uzumaki clan too...
    Thanks and I agree with your thoughts and concure further more with the chakra cooment. Thats why narutos mom was brought to the leaf because of her chakras ability to suppress the nine tailed beast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
    I apologise for coming off arrogant... But can you sum up your theory in 2 sentences?
    I don't think your arrogant, and not sure about 2 sentences but I'll try.

    In my theory I think the sage is was an Uzumaki. Why, because he has a huge collection of sealing juitsu, sealing weapons, huge amount of chakra to split between his two sons,even the rinningan resurfaced in Negato who was of the Uzumaki clan. I also said he was from the eddy village because they had large amounts of chakra, long lifes, and thats where the Uzumaki clan(s) seem to be from. Narutos mom stated that the first hokage and the uzumaki had a distant relative so figurativly speaking the Uzumaki of the eddy village are also related to the Uchiha.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    The senju of the leaf and Uzumaki of the eddy village were not just friends they were related some how and at one point, according to Narutos mom. I posted the link in the original post.
    I know, but you posted that his eddy village got destroyed but it got destroyed aftek konoha was founded, and so6p was long gone
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minato The Fourth Hokage View Post
    I know, but you posted that his eddy village got destroyed but it got destroyed aftek konoha was founded, and so6p was long gone
    Just because the eddy village was destroyed after the founding of the leaf dosen't mean it couldn't have existed before the leaf during the time of the sage.

    Yes the eddy village was destroyed, it just says in that era of war or some vague referance. It was already gone by the time the 4th married Narutos mom. And even more so we don't know where the first hokage was meeting with the Uzumaki from the Eddy village, they could have been in the leaf for all we know.

    Living as refugees, in the leaf, well if you look at it thats what the Uzumaki and other clans of the Eddy village were.

    Like the branch that Negato came from he grew up in the rain village/country. And if it was his moms red hair that identifys her as a part of the Uzumaki clan it would make sense why he dosen't have the Uzumaki name but still be a decendant of their clan. And also posses the rinningan and use barrier juitsu before his ninjuitsu training, and then used summoning and sealing techniques afterwards from the powers of the rinningan.


    Even more so I'll say that the Eddy village was keeping and using the rinningan, or the Uzumaki blood line for its connection to the rinningan, and it/they were attacked and the village was destroyed because of that. Because if the Uchiha hadn't left the city part of the leaf the same thing could/would have happened to the leaf. When the Uchiha were wiped out on Danzos orders.
     
         
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    the sage's descendants were senju/uzumaki and uchiha, so he was of the original clan of those three clans....
     
         

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    the sage's descendants were senju/uzumaki and uchiha, so he was of the original clan of those three clans....
    The sage was two bloodlines(senju/uchiha) the two clans in one. it explains it in chapter 510.
     
         

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    I don't think your arrogant, and not sure about 2 sentences but I'll try.
    In my theory I think the sage is was an Uzumaki. Why, because he has a huge collection of sealing juitsu, sealing weapons, huge amount of chakra to split between his two sons,even the rinningan resurfaced in Negato who was of the Uzumaki clan. I also said he was from the eddy village because they had large amounts of chakra, long lifes, and thats where the Uzumaki clan(s) seem to be from. Narutos mom stated that the first hokage and the uzumaki had a distant relative so figurativly speaking the Uzumaki of the eddy village are also related to the Uchiha.
    My Bad bro bout the other thread

    You have to understand that villages were long after the Rikudou Sennin.
    Uzushiogakure or something close to that housed the Uzumaki Clan
    *Keyword is Clan.

    So Yes, I think its likely that he was an Uzumaki. Him being Uzumaki means that the Senju & Uchiha are offspring of the Uzumaki. I like this, but I'm not too sure about it.

    How about No? Kushina's statement probably means that the Common Ancestor/Distant Blood relatives ends/started at the Younger Brother/Succesor to the Will of the Sage. That means he fathered the future of the Uzumaki Clan but wasn't an actual Uzumaki.

    Could be either. Madara is a big mystery, but the RS is more of a mystery with the most questions!
     
         

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