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    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    well if madaras story is true. first the 2 hokage made the uchiha clan the police force of konoha so the senju clan could keep better watch over the uchiha clan. then after the attack on the leaf village. the senju thought the uchiha had something to do with the fox attack and moved the entire clan to the off skirts on the village and the only ppl that lived in that part of village were uchihas. so they basically were discriminated against and segargated(sorry for the spelling error) from the rest of the leaf village. and had them under watch 24/7 but anbu black ops. then the uchiha tried to rebel against the senju. and we all know what happened next the senju ordered itachi uchiha to kill his own clan. if you look at all the hokages were from the senju clan. there was never an uchiha hokage. so the senju had power and controll over the entire village and the all powerful uchiha clan was the only clan in the village that is basically gone from the leaf villages history.

    now i dont wanna bring up the history of the nazi's becuase this is not the place to do it but there was some similarities in how the senju treated the uchiha and how the nazi's treated the jews. * again i dont wanna offend anyone in the jewish community or anyone that feels strongly about this*
    So because the 2nd hokage (senju) gave the Uchiha a pertinant role in the village, and they were moved to a segerated part of the village( although the 3rd tried to get them to come back/reconsile with them) and then they were killed by Itachi Uchiha? (by hook or crook I think Danzo or Madara made itachi do it with their doryoku personal theory though)

    And that puts the Senju on the same level of racial facists who commited genocide( by gassing and burning and firing peoples bodies in huge ovens) and tried to take over the world? Not sure about all that. But your entitled to your oppinion, and how you express it.


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    You and I are thinking almost the same thing.....
    I dont know wether to be afraid that there is another mind out there similar to mine or to be ahh what the hell +1 rep.

    How do you see things happening?

    Kakashi didnt show up to rescue Naruto with Pakun until after Naruto left.
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    I personally think there is more to the Senju and Uchiha story than Madara has let on. I think Madara and Danzo worked to together to segregate the Uchiha, based on what we know about the Third Hokage I doubt he would let that go on.

    Look at what Neji thought about his Father. Now we know that it was Neji father who died an honorable death to save his brother's life.

    Madara is a liar and Evil. Atleast Oorochimaru was bluntly evil lol.

    by the way i wonder about Minato's lineage.
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    well if madaras story is true. first the 2 hokage made the uchiha clan the police force of konoha so the senju clan could keep better watch over the uchiha clan. then after the attack on the leaf village. the senju thought the uchiha had something to do with the fox attack and moved the entire clan to the off skirts on the village and the only ppl that lived in that part of village were uchihas. so they basically were discriminated against and segargated(sorry for the spelling error) from the rest of the leaf village. and had them under watch 24/7 but anbu black ops. then the uchiha tried to rebel against the senju. and we all know what happened next the senju ordered itachi uchiha to kill his own clan. if you look at all the hokages were from the senju clan. there was never an uchiha hokage. so the senju had power and controll over the entire village and the all powerful uchiha clan was the only clan in the village that is basically gone from the leaf villages history.

    now i dont wanna bring up the history of the nazi's becuase this is not the place to do it but there was some similarities in how the senju treated the uchiha and how the nazi's treated the jews. * again i dont wanna offend anyone in the jewish community or anyone that feels strongly about this*
    I don't think were reading the same manga.

    I doubt the Senju's made the Uchiha Police Force to keep an eye on them. I mean how do you know they just didn't give them that so the Uchiha could be doing work around the villages? Uchiha's were one of the reason that the 1st became a Hokage cause some or all voted for him instead of Madara. (It's like saying the government of every country have a police force so they can keep a watch on the Police officer wouldn't make sense.) My guess is they just wanted to give the Uchiha's a rightful place in the village with them.

    Whatever else you wrote I doubt they're were any Senju's around. Nine Tails attack (When the 4th was around) The only Senju I can think of was Tsunade who wasn't around. Itachi was not ordered by Senju's but Danzo who wanted Sharingan's and he didn't agree with the senju's methods. The Senju's never pushed Uchiha to the out skirts but it was the villagers who are random ppl just like the way Gaara and Naruto were treated because of the bijuu they held inside them.

    Only two Hokages came from the Senju clan 1st and 2nd. The Uchiha's were a police force so they had a lot of freedom and open space to work around and solve cases for the village. If anything the biggest problem of the Uchiha's was Madara not the Senju's

    Oh and like shadedcrow said the 3rd did try to talk to the Uchiha's and make them return or something along that line
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Okay Shadecrow - i didnt mean to take it to that extent just the basic's of what happened like i know the holocaust was crazy. this didnt excalty play out like the holo. but like i said it did have some similarities thats all im saying. and i swear before danzou died he was trying to take over the world but hey that was cut short. your theory about danzo and madara i agree with that too. because madara framed the uchiha thats why it happened to them. and we all know danzo is a dark character that doesnt care about senju or uchiha. and is fully out for himself
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    So because the 2nd hokage (senju) gave the Uchiha a pertinant role in the village, and they were moved to a segerated part of the village( although the 3rd tried to get them to come back/reconsile with them) and then they were killed by Itachi Uchiha? (by hook or crook I think Danzo or Madara made itachi do it with their doryoku personal theory though)

    And that puts the Senju on the same level of racial facists who commited genocide( by gassing and burning and firing peoples bodies in huge ovens) and tried to take over the world? Not sure about all that. But your entitled to your oppinion, and how you express it.




    I dont know wether to be afraid that there is another mind out there similar to mine or to be ahh what the hell +1 rep.

    How do you see things happening?

    Kakashi didnt show up to rescue Naruto with Pakun until after Naruto left.
    I see it happening like this Madara is going to somehow change Sasuke's perception of Naruto so that he goes after Naruto for his revenge Naruto will have no other choice but to fight him Naruto won't use full strenght beause he doesn't way to kill Sasuke so he scales back his attacks here is the trick part I think Sasuke is going to not kill Naruto but knocl him out Madara is going to step in and try to stop it so he can take the Kyuubii Sasuke is going to realize what is going on and Naruto is going to wake up and they are going to go after Madara but somehow Madara will overpower them he then will take the Kyuubii and make a incomplete Juubii this is where I draw a blank because I really don't know what could happen after theJuubii is formed.... All I can say is Mass Disstuction
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by MS Itachi View Post
    I don't think were reading the same manga.

    I doubt the Senju's made the Uchiha Police Force to keep an eye on them. I mean how do you know they just didn't give them that so the Uchiha could be doing work around the villages? Uchiha's were one of the reason that the 1st became a Hokage cause some or all voted for him instead of Madara. (It's like saying the government of every country have a police force so they can keep a watch on the Police officer wouldn't make sense.) My guess is they just wanted to give the Uchiha's a rightful place in the village with them.

    Whatever else you wrote I doubt they're were any Senju's around. Nine Tails attack (When the 4th was around) The only Senju I can think of was Tsunade who wasn't around. Itachi was not ordered by Senju's but Danzo who wanted Sharingan's and he didn't agree with the senju's methods. The Senju's never pushed Uchiha to the out skirts but it was the villagers who are random ppl just like the way Gaara and Naruto were treated because of the bijuu they held inside them.

    Only two Hokages came from the Senju clan 1st and 2nd. The Uchiha's were a police force so they had a lot of freedom and open space to work around and solve cases for the village. If anything the biggest problem of the Uchiha's was Madara not the Senju's

    Oh and like shadedcrow said the 3rd did try to talk to the Uchiha's and make them return or something along that line
    we are reading the same manga. the third was the only one who tried to convince the others that talking was the right thing to do. but danzo and those two other elders werent trying to here it and wanted to kill them off.

    how come there was no uchiha hokages. the uchiha werent trusted and wrongfully accused by the senju.
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadedcrow View Post
    So because the 2nd hokage (senju) gave the Uchiha a pertinant role in the village, and they were moved to a segerated part of the village( although the 3rd tried to get them to come back/reconsile with them) and then they were killed by Itachi Uchiha? (by hook or crook I think Danzo or Madara made itachi do it with their doryoku personal theory though)

    And that puts the Senju on the same level of racial facists who commited genocide( by gassing and burning and firing peoples bodies in huge ovens) and tried to take over the world? Not sure about all that. But your entitled to your oppinion, and how you express it.




    I dont know wether to be afraid that there is another mind out there similar to mine or to be ahh what the hell +1 rep.

    How do you see things happening?

    Kakashi didnt show up to rescue Naruto with Pakun until after Naruto left.
    How do you see it playing out?
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkPhoenix View Post
    coz the demon statues requires balance.
    if the nine tails was sealed first then it could cause destabilization to the gedo statue and make it useless.
    also, they had to prepare first remember?
    thats why they started to move out only 3 years after sasuke left.
    he couldve just captured Naruto and lock him away... Like Oro screwed up too. he couldve locked Sasuke away and then take his body when he was ready.
     
         

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    b/c of all the reasons above. Madara prob. didn't want the whole leaf village after him while he was looking. For other 8 biju
     
         
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    lol wat is he planing O_o
     
         

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    it seems that other people have said it all. not anything left to add. ..."sobs quietly"
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Sealing the nine tails first, because it is the strongest tailed beat, would **** up the statue
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    madara wants sasuke to fight him cause he says its destiny
     
         

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    ^^^ yea agrees to all that.
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    he using sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Well if you think about there wouldnt be much of a story if Naruto and Sasuke fought to the death early on. They have to improve while beating guy's from the opposing sides to get better then have the fight at the end of Naruto. Plus Madara wants to control the world.
     
         

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    becoz theey knew kakashi was coming
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSharingan View Post
    Yeah, this makes me think why Madara wants only Sasuke specifically to fight Naruto
    Well you are right at the last episode we saw that the Uchiha and Senju fought together( as the descendants of Sage of the Six Paths) and Madara told to Naruto that he was like Senju Hashirama( after he told him for the battle Madara vs Senju) and told him that Sasuke will fight against Naruto (as the fight Madara vs Senju).
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    well if madaras story is true. first the 2 hokage made the uchiha clan the police force of konoha so the senju clan could keep better watch over the uchiha clan. then after the attack on the leaf village. the senju thought the uchiha had something to do with the fox attack and moved the entire clan to the off skirts on the village and the only ppl that lived in that part of village were uchihas. so they basically were discriminated against and segargated(sorry for the spelling error) from the rest of the leaf village. and had them under watch 24/7 but anbu black ops. then the uchiha tried to rebel against the senju. and we all know what happened next the senju ordered itachi uchiha to kill his own clan. if you look at all the hokages were from the senju clan. there was never an uchiha hokage. so the senju had power and controll over the entire village and the all powerful uchiha clan was the only clan in the village that is basically gone from the leaf villages history.

    now i dont wanna bring up the history of the nazi's becuase this is not the place to do it but there was some similarities in how the senju treated the uchiha and how the nazi's treated the jews. * again i dont wanna offend anyone in the jewish community or anyone that feels strongly about this*
    i thimk it was donzo who ordered itachi to murder the uchia clan. not the hokage's i think..
     
         

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    Re: Madara is not that bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by GHODST View Post
    Well if you think about there wouldnt be much of a story if Naruto and Sasuke fought to the death early on. They have to improve while beating guy's from the opposing sides to get better then have the fight at the end of Naruto. Plus Madara wants to control the world.
    They already did once at the valley of the end, zetsu was watching. Sauske was like Naruto back then and refused to gain power the way Itachi did. Sauske had some remorse/compassion untill he heard Madaras spooge about the leaf and its elders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    Okay Shadecrow - i didnt mean to take it to that extent just the basic's of what happened like i know the holocaust was crazy. this didnt excalty play out like the holo. but like i said it did have some similarities thats all im saying. and i swear before danzou died he was trying to take over the world but hey that was cut short. your theory about danzo and madara i agree with that too. because madara framed the uchiha thats why it happened to them. and we all know danzo is a dark character that doesnt care about senju or uchiha. and is fully out for himself
    Just giving you a bit of a hard time. If its like any historical event I'd liken it to a civil war, or the ethnic cleansing/tribal genocide in Africa. But sometimes my examples can be a bit off. I plus one rep'd you for not getting pissy and whiney. Even though we were giving you a bit of a hard time.

    Quote Originally Posted by HightimesHoward View Post
    How do you see it playing out?
    I have about 5 diffrent ways I can see it playing out. I can see what your saying as well.

    I'll try and put them into two . With the jubi revived and not revived.

    If Madara revives the jubi I see Sauske and Naruto fighting Madara some how, or Sauske returning to the light side during his battle with Madara, (Madara is Sauskes last target after the leafs elders) Naruto sacrifices himself to take sauskes place in syncing with the demon statue. Or gets the nine tails extracted and then Sauske has to beat the opponet Naruto couldn't. Opposite of the series where Naruto defeats people Sauske couldn't.

    With out the return of the 10 tailed beast. Madara is stopped somehow some way it will be ironic I'm sure, Naruto meets up with sauske, Sauske will learn he's been a prick and either dies or returns to the leaf.


    Quote Originally Posted by Queran Uchiha View Post
    we are reading the same manga. the third was the only one who tried to convince the others that talking was the right thing to do. but danzo and those two other elders werent trying to here it and wanted to kill them off.

    how come there was no uchiha hokages. the uchiha werent trusted and wrongfully accused by the senju.
    Because Senju and Uchiha were once one in the same part of the Uchiha were hokage. Just not the power hungry/strength at any cost side.
     
         

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