Tobi/Madara and his new body!

[TheMrVader]

Just thought of something and it is kinda odd ball, but makes sense. We know that in order to use Izanagi you need need the eyes like that of the Uchiha, but also the body of the Senju. With that being said, we also know that Zetsu is composed of at least in part by the "DNA" of the First Hokage( Senju ). The last point is that when talking to Danzo Tobi saying something on the lines that he has full control over Hashirama's DNA.

So point being, I think after or even before the transplantation of the Rinnegan, Tobi's body is Zetsu's body, or at least made from the same material.

What's yalls thoughts?

[~Hebi Terumi~]

I've heard this theory before and some how I think it's very plausible. Better than the Obito one by a mile

[Queran Uchiha]

ya he is using a zetsu body i have already made a thread of this proving madara uses a zetsu body http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68731

[Uzumakikushina]

I totally agree, read your thread before, and as to tobi consisting of Hashirama DNA, he uses izanaghi in the fight against Konan, which states he has to have hashirama dna in his system. or some sort of senju-dna.

[ganjababy]

that theory about tobi being obito is completely farfetched, half of obito's body was crushed which mean his eye was crushed and he gave the other one to kakashi so there is no way tobi could be obito.

I think its pretty obvious madara is using a zetsu body, he told kabuto he likes to stack up, so i think he uses zetsu body and it it gets destroyed he just uses another zetzu body.

[ssanimo]

Just thought of something and it is kinda odd ball, but makes sense. We know that in order to use Izanagi you need need the eyes like that of the Uchiha, but also the body of the Senju. With that being said, we also know that Zetsu is composed of at least in part by the "DNA" of the First Hokage( Senju ). The last point is that when talking to Danzo Tobi saying something on the lines that he has full control over Hashirama's DNA.

So point being, I think after or even before the transplantation of the Rinnegan, Tobi's body is Zetsu's body, or at least made from the same material.

What's yalls thoughts?

ya this is pretty much common knowledge to anyone that actually pays attention to manga

[Jitsugan]

ya this is pretty much common knowledge to anyone that actually pays attention to manga

Tobi = Obito

[madaraz eyez]

and it says when you get eternal mangekyou your eyes are never in the darkness again. So if madara has an army of zetsu bodies and eyes that never go into darkness...he could possibly use izangi as many times as he wishz... we have seen him use it twice so far. !st when sasuke used amaterasu on him, 2nd against konan.

[Jitsugan]

and it says when you get eternal mangekyou your eyes are never in the darkness again. So if madara has an army of zetsu bodies and eyes that never go into darkness...he could possibly use izangi as many times as he wishz... we have seen him use it twice so far. !st when sasuke used amaterasu on him, 2nd against konan.

EMS stops you from going blind when you use MS techniques(Tsukynomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o). You can use Izanagi with any sharigan, doesn't matter if it is MS or not. And nobody knows what Madara did to get rid of Sasuke's Amaterasu, most likely not Izanagi

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

I like your idea but TOBI has black hair Zetsu has green hair. Unless Zetsu was his clone and used the clone to clone.

[xShinra Tensei]

I like your idea but TOBI has black hair Zetsu has green hair. Unless Zetsu was his clone and used the clone to clone.

Zetsu: "BLACK DYE JUTSU!!!!"

[Heister]

Your basically stealing this theory from someone else who posted it on here

[Senpai Senpai]

ya he is using a zetsu body i have already made a thread of this proving madara uses a zetsu body http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68731

While your theory is compelling, it has yet to be proven.

[Queran Uchiha]

While your theory is compelling, it has yet to be proven.

he is using a zetsu body read it agauin everything points to madara and zetsu . they were planning this from day one. okay so then can you explain where madara gets his new body parts from? also while your at it explain why that white ooze spills out of him everytime he suffers a strong blow?

[xShinra Tensei]

he is using a zetsu body read it agauin everything points to madara and zetsu . they were planning this from day one. okay so then can you explain where madara gets his new body parts from? also while your at it explain why that white ooze spills out of him everytime he suffers a strong blow?

While I highly agree that he is using a Zetsu body, there is the possibility of Zetsu merely reinforcing his body - i.e. like concrete is reinforced by steel.

Madara/Tobi could be using some of the "ooze" to regenerate his chakra and to protect any vital arteries/tissue, like a second barrier.

But that is highly implausible, and I think alot of what is happening is pointing towards Madaretsu, I suppose the "former shell of his old self" could have an interesting turn here, still we have to wait for Kishi as always...

[Queran Uchiha]

While I highly agree that he is using a Zetsu body, there is the possibility of Zetsu merely reinforcing his body - i.e. like concrete is reinforced by steel.

Madara/Tobi could be using some of the "ooze" to regenerate his chakra and to protect any vital arteries/tissue, like a second barrier.

But that is highly implausible, and I think alot of what is happening is pointing towards Madaretsu, I suppose the "former shell of his old self" could have an interesting turn here, still we have to wait for Kishi as always...

yupp but kishi has left some clues in the manga about madara i just stumbled across it and made a thread http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68731

there is still not much we know about madara and the black /white zetsu

[Senpai Senpai]

he is using a zetsu body read it agauin everything points to madara and zetsu . they were planning this from day one. okay so then can you explain where madara gets his new body parts from? also while your at it explain why that white ooze spills out of him everytime he suffers a strong blow?

I don't claim to have those answers. I'm simply stating that your theory ATM is nothing more than just a theory. We do not have definitive proof that in fact Madara is using Zetsu to repair his body or that he has been augmented with Zetsu's power. Relax a bit your very quick to get defensive. I agree that your points are valid, but we won't know until Kishi reveals more. All I'm saying is you can claim that your theory is the truth.

[xShinra Tensei]

I don't claim to have those answers. I'm simply stating that your theory ATM is nothing more than just a theory. We do not have definitive proof that in fact Madara is using Zetsu to repair his body or that he has been augmented with Zetsu's power. Relax a bit your very quick to get defensive. I agree that your points are valid, but we won't know until Kishi reveals more. All I'm saying is you can claim that your theory is the truth.

Too true, but time for senseless BS to put the point out; when making a "theory" about Naruto, never claim it is the truth, always use "inferrence" or "speculation", because KISHI KNOWS ALL. Period.

Mainly because for all we know Kishi will give Madara/Tobi another Hax no Jutsu...

[TheMrVader]

To me personally it is fact. If you go back and read all the chapters in which Tobi gets hurt in a fight there is both blood and white stuff coming from the wound. And to top that he said he has basically mastered the senju DNA. We all know that Zetsu is made from the DNA of the First and in order to use Izunga you need BOTH the eyes AND the body.

[leezagboola]

i doint think u can use izangi unlimited once u have ems, he used it against konan then got rinnegan to replace the eye,

[TheMrVader]

i doint think u can use izangi unlimited once u have ems, he used it against konan then got rinnegan to replace the eye,

Who to say if it is indeed Madara that he just has his brother's eyes in a jar on a shelf? What I mean is he had to replace his sharigan eye because he used Izangi, but that doesn't mean he had his brother's eyes in at the time he fought Konan. He could be saving them until a latter time.

Also there has to be a way to obtain the ability to use Izangi unlimited because the So6P did obviously.

[kisamexRocks]

I don't know why no one has said this but in ORDER to use Izanagi, you ONLY need Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA. Otherwise DANZO wouldn't be able to use izanagi if the body he used in the fight with Sasuke was his own. But according to Narutopedia, Izanagi can be used by anyone witha sharingan but to use it at full power or best results, the user must have Senju DNA as well.

So Everyone here is kinda wrong on discussing that Madara uses Zetsu bodies and an Uchiha sharingan in order to use Izanagi.

With EMS if you spam all your techniques, you wont go blind, the only bad thing is chakra drain, if you use Izanagi, then you WILL have that eye become permanetly shut. No matter if you have Regular Sharingan, MS or EMS, Izanagi will close your eye for good.

And because of all the Zetsu stuff, Zetsu was made from Hashirama cells and Tailed Beast Chakra as well as possibly Madara Uchiha(white could be Hashirama cells and black could be Madara cells). But since Madara loses arms and stuff, he probably has DNA compatibility with Zetsu so that every lost limb can be repaired or replaced easily.

[TheMrVader]

I don't know why no one has said this but in ORDER to use Izanagi, you ONLY need Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA. Otherwise DANZO wouldn't be able to use izanagi if the body he used in the fight with Sasuke was his own. But according to Narutopedia, Izanagi can be used by anyone witha sharingan but to use it at full power or best results, the user must have Senju DNA as well.

So Everyone here is kinda wrong on discussing that Madara uses Zetsu bodies and an Uchiha sharingan in order to use Izanagi.

With EMS if you spam all your techniques, you wont go blind, the only bad thing is chakra drain, if you use Izanagi, then you WILL have that eye become permanetly shut. No matter if you have Regular Sharingan, MS or EMS, Izanagi will close your eye for good.

And because of all the Zetsu stuff, Zetsu was made from Hashirama cells and Tailed Beast Chakra as well as possibly Madara Uchiha(white could be Hashirama cells and black could be Madara cells). But since Madara loses arms and stuff, he probably has DNA compatibility with Zetsu so that every lost limb can be repaired or replaced easily.

Damn then I guess the So6P was super blind. Because he some how created and entire world with just 2 eyes.

You can't say something is for sure unless it has been said to be for sure.

We have not see EMS use Izanagi or even MS. So to say that they will close for sure is not true, as much as saying they won't. But being that EMS means the eyes will never go black tends to lean me towards the latter.

O and its not the DNA of an Uchiha that is needed to use Izanagi, it is the eyes themselves. Yes Danzo is not a Uchiha, which is why each time he used it, it drained a lot of this chakra.

[HiddenSage]

Danzo do have the First DNA implant in him that why He's able to grow tree to dodge Sasuke susano arrow that why he's able to use Izangi

[kisamexRocks]

Damn then I guess the So6P was super blind. Because he some how created and entire world with just 2 eyes.

You can't say something is for sure unless it has been said to be for sure.

We have not see EMS use Izanagi or even MS. So to say that they will close for sure is not true, as much as saying they won't. But being that EMS means the eyes will never go black tends to lean me towards the latter.

O and its not the DNA of an Uchiha that is needed to use Izanagi, it is the eyes themselves. Yes Danzo is not a Uchiha, which is why each time he used it, it drained a lot of this chakra.

SO6P was the combination of Uchiha and Senju, and he had the power of Juubi, so he was something else, I think that when he used Izanagi he gave up chakra instead of eye sight, but not sure how it effected him but he created the tailed beasts not the entire world.

It is a forbidden jutsu that even the Uchiha didn't want to use. It makes you go blind and your eyes are completelty shut. MS will shut as it still loses it's light, as shown by Madara and Itachi as well as Sasuke. But EMS just prevents blindness from using techniques, while Izanagi is a kinjutsu, so it was forbiddenf or a reason.

Yes I know someone with a sharingan can use Izanagi, it's what I said in my prievous post.