[Discussion] Orochimaru vs Kakashi Hatake

[ganjababy]

It depends if Kakashi use Kumai then obvioiusly its an instant win for Kakashi, Orochimaru sucks and this ****** knows how to do is turn into snake. He is really pathetic like sasuke said

[ganjababy]

Also Kakashi i think has no aptitude for genjutsu, cause a simple genjutsu will paralzye orochimaru like what itachi and sasuke did to him; and i never seen kakashi use a genjutsu from sharingan

[Piccolo]

This is what people say when they can´t find an argument for kakashi beating somebody.You think oro is just gonna stand there? Have you heard of defense?Have you heard of sacrificing limbs/immortality/regeneration?have you heard of summonings? Perhaps shields? Maybe even shadow clones...a bird told that shadow clones have used heavily in this manga to stop jutsu's like the kamui you speak off

btw, this to anyone who just bring out the word kamui and expect to already have won the argument.If anyone could just use their finishers on opponents without them having a defense thier would essentially be no shinobis left.

Fail. Kakashi managed to warp FAST Susanoo arrows, do you think he couldn't warp a simple head? Kakashi gets experienced more and more, while Orochimaru is already dead/sealed. Kakashi could use it before the battle even begins.

Jiraya took out more than 1 and still couldn't beat Oro with Tsunade.

Oh boy, wasn't Jiraiya tired and sick there from Tsunade's poison she gave him?

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[siyo]

It depends if Kakashi use Kumai then obvioiusly its an instant win for Kakashi, Orochimaru sucks and this ****** knows how to do is turn into snake. He is really pathetic like sasuke said

Ok, one the biggest villains in the entire series is pathetic? Why did kakashi and any other major character fear such a pathetic man?Because all he could (according to you) was turning into a snake.How could he ever have defeated to kage s and been praised as one of the legendary sannin.Beats me..

Fail. Kakashi managed to warp FAST Susanoo arrows, do you think he couldn't warp a simple head? Kakashi gets experienced more and more, while Orochimaru is already dead/sealed. Kakashi could use it before the battle even begins.

OMG Do you know what fail mean? If not you just did..:flaw:
You're comparing dodging/teleporting a freakin arrow to the ability to having a defense? Please try read my quote again and see if you can understand it this time.....

[BananaAssassin]

OMG Do you know what fail mean? If not you just did..:flaw:
You're comparing dodging/teleporting a freakin arrow to the ability to having a defense? Please try read my quote again and see if you can understand it this time.....

Yeah no. You failed. How can orochimaru possibly defend against kamui when he doesn't even know Kakashi has it?..second who has used shadow clone to defend against kamui tell me? Again you failed to disprove the possibility that Kakashi will kamui oro's head to other dimension.

Lastly to your other post earlier: well maybe Kakashi just hasn't kamui'd other shinobi's heads 'cause 1. Kishi wants us to enjoy the long lasting fightst. 2. Kakashi fears becoming blind so he avoids using it till the last possible moment when there is no other choice. Doesn't mean it's still possible.

[siyo]

Yeah no. You failed. How can orochimaru possibly defend against kamui when he doesn't even know Kakashi has it?..second who has used shadow clone to defend against kamui tell me? Again you failed to disprove the possibility that Kakashi will kamui oro's head to other dimension..

First of all a strong a shinobi survives/win against a opponent even though he/she doesn`t know all he/she abilties.Second of all oro got a lot of tools and as i said he could e.g move his head and sacrifice a limb, or he could reverse summon himself inside a snake and finally he could use a shadow clone.How? like we have seen all through this manga(could give you tons of examples through the manga) by using an earth clone from the beginning of the fight to see what kakashi is about(thats what they are used for diversion and defending).It does not matter what or which tech it is, all the damage go to a clone.See?
And let us not forget that it is not a tech which kakashi can spam an opponent with, and chakra entirely is something kakashi will always will be lacking.

Lastly to your other post earlier: well maybe Kakashi just hasn't kamui'd other shinobi's heads 'cause 1. Kishi wants us to enjoy the long lasting fightst. 2. Kakashi fears becoming blind so he avoids using it till the last possible moment when there is no other choice. Doesn't mean it's still possible.

lol i don't think you are serious here(or i hope not ) its like saying maybe the sky is green and that you think kakashi is strongest character in the naruto universe and the only think keeping him from proving it is kishi :D

[NewKageism]

Yeah no. You failed. How can orochimaru possibly defend against kamui when he doesn't even know Kakashi has it?..second who has used shadow clone to defend against kamui tell me? Again you failed to disprove the possibility that Kakashi will kamui oro's head to other dimension.

Lastly to your other post earlier: well maybe Kakashi just hasn't kamui'd other shinobi's heads 'cause 1. Kishi wants us to enjoy the long lasting fightst. 2. Kakashi fears becoming blind so he avoids using it till the last possible moment when there is no other choice. Doesn't mean it's still possible.

your so right but look at this too.

How you know Oro is going to be up in Kakashi face like that?

What if he has distance? We are assuming they are close combat quaters are we not?

If Oro seen Kakashi try to Kamui his face like in this video clip @ 1:00in at a long distance.


You best believe he is stregthing his head in the oppostie direction or body.

They both battle Itachi and once he sees and him knowing he has some forum of the Uchiha clan eyes because they came from the same village. He will avoid it the next time and come up with a plan.


But if he was close in the face. Kakashi could kill anyone if they did not known about it.

(Edit) but yea Oro many of times use Shadow clones. So with that it is give or take

(Another Edit) Doesn't shadow clones require hand signals if so. If this is not the oro before the fight with the third it is GG.

[BananaAssassin]

First of all a strong a shinobi survives/win against a opponent even though he/she doesn`t know all he/she abilties.Second of all oro got a lot of tools and as i said he could e.g move his head and sacrifice a limb, or he could reverse summon himself inside a snake and finally he could use a shadow clone.How? like we have seen all through this manga(could give you tons of examples through the manga) by using an earth clone from the beginning of the fight to see what kakashi is about(thats what they are used for diversion and defending).It does not matter what or which tech it is, all the damage go to a clone.See?
And let us not forget that it is not a tech which kakashi can spam an opponent with, and chakra entirely is something kakashi will always will be lacking.



lol i don't think you are serious here(or i hope not ) its like saying maybe the sky is green and that you think kakashi is strongest character in the naruto universe and the only think keeping him from proving it is kishi :D

It's true Oro CAN do all that.

Yeah I'm serious. It's the same as saying that Kishi could make Deidara (against sasuke) use he's final super bomb right from the beginning to blast 10km away and finish the fight but no, he wanted us to enjoy the fight? I didn't say anything about sky being green or none of those things. They are not real in naruto universe. Kakashi's kamui is.

[JMAN]

People here are seriously underestimating Kakashi !
During part 1 when Kakashi met Orochimaru, he wasn't as strong as he is now.
In part 2 he has more chakra and has Mangekyou Sharingan. People say Jiraiya managed to beat 3 pains but they don't remember that Kakashi went against the strongest body ( yahiko ). On the other hand Jiraiya beat the three maybe weaker bodies ( not saying that Kakashi>Jiraiya, just that this argument doesn't work)
I think this might end with the a draw.

[siyo]

(Another Edit) Doesn't shadow clones require hand signals if so. If this is not the oro before the fight with the third it is GG.

I am not sure if you do need it, but regardless i am of course talking about an oro with full health WITH his hands....

It's true Oro CAN do all that.

Yeah I'm serious. It's the same as saying that Kishi could make Deidara (against sasuke) use he's final super bomb right from the beginning to blast 10km away and finish the fight but no, he wanted us to enjoy the fight? I didn't say anything about sky being green or none of those things. They are not real in naruto universe. Kakashi's kamui is.

Ok, at least now we have established that oro got the tools to defend against the powerful kamui and you're right that kishi obviously first prioty is how the story is being told so therefore he often waits for the character to use their trumph card.BUT that does not mean that in this case the kamui can't be defended by S level shinobis like pein,itachi, jiraiya, oro and madara.Does this mean he can`t hit it ever on any of the mentioned people? No, things happen and some of them could get sloppy but the majority of the time they would still be ready and deal with it.

People here are seriously underestimating Kakashi !
During part 1 when Kakashi met Orochimaru, he wasn't as strong as he is now.
In part 2 he has more chakra and has Mangekyou Sharingan. People say Jiraiya managed to beat 3 pains but they don't remember that Kakashi went against the strongest body ( yahiko ). On the other hand Jiraiya beat the three maybe weaker bodies ( not saying that Kakashi>Jiraiya, just that this argument doesn't work)
I think this might end with the a draw.

i am not undestimating kakashi skills and he is one of my favourite.characters but here he is just overpowered.....

[ANBUCaptain]

Ok, at least now we have established that oro got the tools to defend against the powerful kamui and you're right that kishi obviously first prioty is how the story is being told so therefore he often waits for the character to use their trumph card.BUT that does not mean that in this case the kamui can't be defended by S level shinobis like pein,itachi, jiraiya, oro and madara.Does this mean he can`t hit it ever on any of the mentioned people? No, things happen and some of them could get sloppy but the majority of the time they would still be ready and deal with it.

Well, yeah it doesn't mean that and I know what S-class ninjas are capable of. But if we think just the real body and not clone, I can't think of way to defend against kamui since it's not like kunai which you can just swoop away.
But all of this is speculation. Can't possible guess any of those things until we see kamui in REAL use against high class ninjas.

[siyo]

Well, yeah it doesn't mean that and I know what S-class ninjas are capable of. But if we think just the real body and not clone, I can't think of way to defend against kamui since it's not like kunai which you can just swoop away.
But all of this is speculation. Can't possible guess any of those things until we see kamui in REAL use against high class ninjas.

well, it will be interesting seeing kakashi use it against really tough oppenents and try to get rid of them with it...