Tobi's Sharingan

[GregTheGamer]

Currently Tobi has a Sharingan in one eye and a Rinnegan in the other. However previous to this he had two Sharingan.

I think the Sharingan he currently has previously belonged to Obito. Now before you start flaming hear me out. We know that Tobi has been collecting Sharingan for ages, when he discovered the story behind Kakashi's Sharingan he decided to search for the complementary Sharingan because Kakashi is renowned as the copy ninja, which meant it was a Sharingan worth collecting 'I like to collect good eyes'. Tobi somehow developed it to MS level, this is necessary because of the undeniable similiarity between Tobi's space-time technique which is centralised around his right Sharingan and Kakashi's space-time MS technique (Kamui) which is emitted by his Left Sharingan. It would also explain why Kakashi's Kamui had no effect on Tobi, because they have complementary Sharingan any attacks would neutralise each other (think brother wands from Harry Potter). So Tobi's right Sharingan which he still has is Obito's and at MS level.

I think Tobi's left Sharingan eye which he used up for Izanagi belonged to Shisui for similiar reasons. Danzo's right Sharingan belonged to Shisui and was covered by bandages when he used its unique ability to control Mifune. Note that Tobi's left Sharingan was also always covered, and again there is an undeniable similarity between Danzo's use of the Sharingan to control Mifune, and Tobi's use of the Sharingan to control the Fourth Mizukage - the Fifth Mizukage said she was gonna question Danzo about it because she was all suspicious. The reason Tobi wanted Shisui's eye from Danzo is because it's a powerful technique and it's always good to have spares, in the eventuality that Tobi used up that eye for Izanagi he would lose that ability forever, which I believe he now has.

[Hawker]

Okay first and all how would Madara been able to retrieve Obito's other eye? Since it got crushed by boulder. It's impossible for an eye to survive from that, even in naruto world. Dude it's an gigantic bolder vs. human eye(weight 2gram)

[Sinner]

Danzo crushed shisuic's eye. madara says this.

[ninjazz may cry]

dude madara crushed shisui' eye after sasuke killed danzo

[GregTheGamer]

Okay first and all how would Madara been able to retrieve Obito's other eye? Since it got crushed by boulder. It's impossible for an eye to survive from that, even in naruto world. Dude it's an gigantic bolder vs. human eye(weight 2gram)

Tobi's strong enough to stop a blow from Suigetsu's sword with his bare arm so he'd be strong enough to lift up the boulder. And he appears to be very proficient with medical ninjutsu, so maybe he healed the eye somehow. But how else would you explain

a) The similarity between Kakashi's technique and Tobi's, when no other sharingan have demonstrated space-time abilities.
b) The fact Kakashi's Kamui had no effect on Tobi.
c) Danzo's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique, then Kakashi's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique.

I doubt when the secrets of Tobi's space-time technique are revealed it'll just be a random sharingan from the Uchiha massacre, wouldn't make sense that no-one knew about such a powerful technique.

Also the boulder clearly wasn't heavy enough to stop Obito talking, and you can't speak with only half a face, I'd say his sharingan was damaged and then repaired by Tobi who would know more about how to heal sharingan than anyone.

[UchihaSasuke7]

dude madara crushed shisui' eye after sasuke killed danzo

Where does it say madara did it?:S Tobi himself said that danzou crushed it, right?:confused:

[eddi3]

Danzo crushed shisuic's eye. madara says this.

he meant the eye he had for himself...there is no mention of shisui's other eye

[GregTheGamer]

Danzo crushed shisuic's eye. madara says this.

Danzo only had Shisui's right sharingan eye, I'm saying Tobi had the other one, thus how he was able to control the fourth mizukage, he wanted the other one that Danzo had as a spare in case he ever needed to use his eye for Izanagi.

[Sinner]

he meant the eye he had for himself...there is no mention of shisui's other eye

That's what I mean, danzo crished his own eye.

[GregTheGamer]

It was also mentioned in the manga that Danzo and Tobi hadn't met since the Uchiha massacre, maybe they fought over Shisui's eyes, and also Kabuto can't find Shisui's body for Edo Tensei - this is (imo) because Tobi has it stashed somewhere.

[longshot4450]

Wow 1 of the best theories with actual facts that I have read, thumbs up too you.

[Hawker]

Wow 1 of the best theories with actual facts that I have read, thumbs up too you.

No actually the theory is killed by the fact that big rock boulder smashed Obito's eye. So no.

[DarkSasuke]

No actually the theory is killed by the fact that big rock boulder smashed Obito's eye. So no.

Yea I thought the same thing

[Hawker]

Tobi's strong enough to stop a blow from Suigetsu's sword with his bare arm so he'd be strong enough to lift up the boulder. And he appears to be very proficient with medical ninjutsu, so maybe he healed the eye somehow. But how else would you explain

a) The similarity between Kakashi's technique and Tobi's, when no other sharingan have demonstrated space-time abilities.
b) The fact Kakashi's Kamui had no effect on Tobi.
c) Danzo's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique, then Kakashi's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique.

I doubt when the secrets of Tobi's space-time technique are revealed it'll just be a random sharingan from the Uchiha massacre, wouldn't make sense that no-one knew about such a powerful technique.

Also the boulder clearly wasn't heavy enough to stop Obito talking, and you can't speak with only half a face, I'd say his sharingan was damaged and then repaired by Tobi who would know more about how to heal sharingan than anyone.

a)just speculation
B)well, Madara is just warping between dimension's so of course kamui doesn't have an affect on him.
c)don't matter

Okay I'm going to shit on your theory with just one phrase. Tobi had space-time techinuque when he fought Minato. = Before Uchiha massacre so he couldn't obtained it from there.

Yeah u can obviously since Obito did just that.
Your theory is way too far fetched dude.

[kisamexRocks]

Tobi's strong enough to stop a blow from Suigetsu's sword with his bare arm so he'd be strong enough to lift up the boulder. And he appears to be very proficient with medical ninjutsu, so maybe he healed the eye somehow. But how else would you explain

a) The similarity between Kakashi's technique and Tobi's, when no other sharingan have demonstrated space-time abilities.
b) The fact Kakashi's Kamui had no effect on Tobi.
c) Danzo's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique, then Kakashi's sharingan opposite eye to Tobi's with similiar technique.

I doubt when the secrets of Tobi's space-time technique are revealed it'll just be a random sharingan from the Uchiha massacre, wouldn't make sense that no-one knew about such a powerful technique.

Also the boulder clearly wasn't heavy enough to stop Obito talking, and you can't speak with only half a face, I'd say his sharingan was damaged and then repaired by Tobi who would know more about how to heal sharingan than anyone.

Madara has shown that he uses Earth Element. As his Mole Attack technique, this could mean he has used his sharingan to copy other techniques like Kakuzu's armor ability in which his body can become steel or medal or something which would allow Madara to have amazing strength.

1) We have only been shown little of the Sharingan powers. Madara's technique can be copied from some other user over the past generations, so speculating that because two users use similar techniques they MUST be linked somehow.

That's not the case. Shisui had incredible speed, we don't know if it's because of his sharingan or his natural talent, his space-time technique could be because of his sharingan but we don't know it because it's never been explained, so right now we can't say that Obito's sharingan is being used by Madara and Kakashi.

2)Madara said it has no effect assuming it's because of his intagibility. Like all other techniques wont work on Madara because of his ability to let attacks pass through him, IF Kumi hit Madara, he could simply erase his existance from where ever he was sent to a new location.

3)That doesn't mean anything, Madara received a new Doujutsu from awakening his EMS. it was most likely better than Shisui's ability to control people. Like I said before users with similar techniques aren't really connected to each other.

His secrets are msot likely because he copied someone's FTG or something(probably Tobirama) and improved on it.

Also Danzo crushed his sharingan and we haven't seen Madara heal it, so if a boulder crushed half of Obito's body and Madara found it, he wouldn't be able to heal it.

[GregTheGamer]

a)just speculation
B)well, Madara is just warping between dimension's so of course kamui doesn't have an affect on him.
c)don't matter

Okay I'm going to shit on your theory with just one phrase. Tobi had space-time techinuque when he fought Minato. = Before Uchiha massacre so he couldn't obtained it from there.

Yeah u can obviously since Obito did just that.
Your theory is way too far fetched dude.

a) Everything is speculation, that's the idea of exploring a theory and its place in the realm of possibility, if you want to dismiss something purely because it's speculation you can dismiss almost every theory on this site.

b) I speculate that Kamui is of about the same speed as Amaterasu, which was too fast for Tobi to avoid when Itachi's MS activated in Sasuke. I don't think Kamui had no effect because Tobi became intangible fast enough to dodge it, but because it's a technique that sends him to a place (that dimension world) which he can already access easily at will. If someone pushes you through a door and then locks it, you're stuck in that room, but if you have the same key to the lock as the person who pushed you in, then you can just walk right back out. Obito's sharingan developed to MS level techniques is the 'key' to the alternate dimesion world, which both Kakashi and Tobi access - albeit in different ways. Kakashi sends his enemies there from long range but can't go himself, Tobi can go there himself but needs to take his enemies with him from close range to use the technique offensively.

c) You're right, it doesn't matter, I'm simply pointing out that Tobi's sharingan eyes which demonstrated certain techniques were on the sides of his face complementary to the sharingan eyes of Kakashi and Danzo which demonstrated conspicuosly similiar techniques.

If you'd read my theory correctly, you'll notice I think Tobi's space time tech is from what was originally Obito's sharingan - since Obito had already died when Tobi fought Minato he could've already collected Obito's sharingan by that point after hearing about the story of the battle of the bridge, and about the copy ninja Hatake Kakashi, a non-Uchiha with one powerful sharingan eye. Tobi would want the other one.

[GregTheGamer]

Madara has shown that he uses Earth Element. As his Mole Attack technique, this could mean he has used his sharingan to copy other techniques like Kakuzu's armor ability in which his body can become steel or medal or something which would allow Madara to have amazing strength.

1) We have only been shown little of the Sharingan powers. Madara's technique can be copied from some other user over the past generations, so speculating that because two users use similar techniques they MUST be linked somehow.

That's not the case. Shisui had incredible speed, we don't know if it's because of his sharingan or his natural talent, his space-time technique could be because of his sharingan but we don't know it because it's never been explained, so right now we can't say that Obito's sharingan is being used by Madara and Kakashi.

2)Madara said it has no effect assuming it's because of his intagibility. Like all other techniques wont work on Madara because of his ability to let attacks pass through him, IF Kumi hit Madara, he could simply erase his existance from where ever he was sent to a new location.

3)That doesn't mean anything, Madara received a new Doujutsu from awakening his EMS. it was most likely better than Shisui's ability to control people. Like I said before users with similar techniques aren't really connected to each other.

His secrets are msot likely because he copied someone's FTG or something(probably Tobirama) and improved on it.

Also Danzo crushed his sharingan and we haven't seen Madara heal it, so if a boulder crushed half of Obito's body and Madara found it, he wouldn't be able to heal it.

Also entirely possible. But as the current main villain I think Tobi's abilities will have a little more significance behind them than 'he copied all the abilities from someone else.' Personally I think his strength comes from arms he has grown from Hashirama's cells.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/9

As a Senju who inherited the body and physical energy of the Sage it only makes sense that Hashirama would've had natural strength beyond what is normal, Tobi therefore gives himself access to two things by possessing the arms grown from the First Hokage's cells, Senju DNA and incredible strength, which doesn't need a technique to activate like Kakuzu's Earth technique did, Tobi's strength is constant and doesn't drain any chakra.

Shisui's ability to control people was apparently unique to his sharingan, and to be honest, whilst it IS a high caliber technique, I don't think it's an EMS ranked kind of jutsu. Also even if Tobi's ability to control people was a result of an EMS that means he must still have it from when fought the First Hokage if he's still able to use the technique afterward on the Fourth Mizukage. I think it's very unlikely that Tobi has EMS for a number of reasons, most dominant been that when the First Hokage 'killed' Madara he wouldn't have just left his incredibly powerful eyes lying around for someone to take and use, he'd have taken the EMS and destroyed it. Thus the reason for Tobi beng a 'shell of his former self' and still 'suffering the wounds inflicted by the First Hokage'.

I'm almost certain that the eye Tobi used for Izanagi formerly belonged to Shisui, there's way too much in the Manga that points to this. As for the one he still possesses having formely belonged to Obito, that's less credible, but it seems to me more likely than the idea that he just copied someone elses space-time techniques.

As for your final point fair enough, but Danzo intended to destroy the sharingan and would have done so with greater effectiveness than an indiscriminate boulder which fell on someones face.

[kisamexRocks]

Also entirely possible. But as the current main villain I think Tobi's abilities will have a little more significance behind them than 'he copied all the abilities from someone else.' Personally I think his strength comes from arms he has grown from Hashirama's cells.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/512/9

As a Senju who inherited the body and physical energy of the Sage it only makes sense that Hashirama would've had natural strength beyond what is normal, Tobi therefore gives himself access to two things by possessing the arms grown from the First Hokage's cells, Senju DNA and incredible strength, which doesn't need a technique to activate like Kakuzu's Earth technique did, Tobi's strength is constant and doesn't drain any chakra.

Shisui's ability to control people was apparently unique to his sharingan, and to be honest, whilst it IS a high caliber technique, I don't think it's an EMS ranked kind of jutsu. Also even if Tobi's ability to control people was a result of an EMS that means he must still have it from when fought the First Hokage if he's still able to use the technique afterward on the Fourth Mizukage. I think it's very unlikely that Tobi has EMS for a number of reasons, most dominant been that when the First Hokage 'killed' Madara he wouldn't have just left his incredibly powerful eyes lying around for someone to take and use, he'd have taken the EMS and destroyed it. Thus the reason for Tobi beng a 'shell of his former self' and still 'suffering the wounds inflicted by the First Hokage'.

I'm almost certain that the eye Tobi used for Izanagi formerly belonged to Shisui, there's way too much in the Manga that points to this. As for the one he still possesses having formely belonged to Obito, that's less credible, but it seems to me more likely than the idea that he just copied someone elses space-time techniques.

As for your final point fair enough, but Danzo intended to destroy the sharingan and would have done so with greater effectiveness than an indiscriminate boulder which fell on someones face.

If his strength comes from the Hashirama clone, wouldn't all the Zetsu clones/creations also obtain this strength? Seems not since they are easily killed. It would make sense to have copied them than gain it from a clone.

Sure Shisui's sharingan technique was of high caliber but since Itachi killed shisui, Danzo took Shisui's arm and Eye, probably Orochimaru took the other parts for experiments or something. But I doubt that Madara took Shisui's eye for his Izanagi or Controlling technique.

You don't need a high caliber sharingan to use Izanagi, just Senju and Uchiha DNA and since Madara has both of the DNA's he his able to stock up on sharingan and use Izanagi as much as he wants. The reason he controlled Yagura was because of the Tailed Beast, as shown that Madara used some kind of technique with his sharingan that completely immobilized the Three Tails. Everyone is different in Naruto. Like how Nagato died, Naruto could have used his Rinnegan eyes but he didn't, same with Hashirama, perhaps he didn't know he had EMS and/or didn't really care for eye techniques or something.

I'm have to go with he copied techniques, Some of the sharingan eyes probably haven't even unlocked the MS at all. let alone awaken the sharingan. Obito said himself that his right side was completely crushed by the boulder, which was almost twice his size let alone possibly 10x his weight. If something is twice your size and 10 times your weight and it fell on half of your body, I'm pretty sure it would crush it completely

[shadedcrow]

If his strength comes from the Hashirama clone, wouldn't all the Zetsu clones/creations also obtain this strength? Seems not since they are easily killed. It would make sense to have copied them than gain it from a clone.

Sure Shisui's sharingan technique was of high caliber but since Itachi killed shisui, Danzo took Shisui's arm and Eye, probably Orochimaru took the other parts for experiments or something. But I doubt that Madara took Shisui's eye for his Izanagi or Controlling technique.

You don't need a high caliber sharingan to use Izanagi, just Senju and Uchiha DNA and since Madara has both of the DNA's he his able to stock up on sharingan and use Izanagi as much as he wants. The reason he controlled Yagura was because of the Tailed Beast, as shown that Madara used some kind of technique with his sharingan that completely immobilized the Three Tails. Everyone is different in Naruto. Like how Nagato died, Naruto could have used his Rinnegan eyes but he didn't, same with Hashirama, perhaps he didn't know he had EMS and/or didn't really care for eye techniques or something.

I'm have to go with he copied techniques, Some of the sharingan eyes probably haven't even unlocked the MS at all. let alone awaken the sharingan. Obito said himself that his right side was completely crushed by the boulder, which was almost twice his size let alone possibly 10x his weight. If something is twice your size and 10 times your weight and it fell on half of your body, I'm pretty sure it would crush it completely

You trust Itachi? That dudes lies more than Barry Bonds.

[D3A]

first time a read a theory with both obito and madara that didnt send me on a fit of rage...bravo to you sir, but i still disagree, only time/kishi will tell the secrets of the mysterious madara

[kisamexRocks]

You trust Itachi? That dudes lies more than Barry Bonds.

If Itachi didn`t kill Shisui, how did Danzo obtain Shisui`s right arm and right eye?

I'm pretty sure Shisui would have defeated Danzo easily. Or manipulated him without him knowing.

[shadedcrow]

If Itachi didn`t kill Shisui, how did Danzo obtain Shisui`s right arm and right eye?

I'm pretty sure Shisui would have defeated Danzo easily. Or manipulated him without him knowing.

Best expilination I can give is there was more than Danzo there to fight. Like Lady Chio said when facing a Sharingan user. If theres only one of you run and if there are more then attack from behind. Danzo was in charge of Anbu Root. Its not like the dude was short on having avilable qualified ninja to do his dirty work for him.

On top of that Orochimaru implanted them. If Danzo was in cahoots with Orochimaru theres the a likely second for Danzos plan. And It would still fit in with Danzo wanting to be hokage with Orochimarus destruction of the leaf plan.

[kisamexRocks]

Best expilination I can give is there was more than Danzo there to fight. Like Lady Chio said when facing a Sharingan user. If theres only one of you run and if there are more then attack from behind. Danzo was in charge of Anbu Root. Its not like the dude was short on having avilable qualified ninja to do his dirty work for him.

On top of that Orochimaru implanted them. If Danzo was in cahoots with Orochimaru theres the a likely second for Danzos plan. And It would still fit in with Danzo wanting to be hokage with Orochimarus destruction of the leaf plan.

Even if there was more than 10 root members + Danzo, Shisui was one of the most talented members, so i don't think he would have fallen so easily. But what Chiyo said was that if one gets caught in Genjutsu, the others should disrupt the jutsu by attacking Itachi or hitting the person in the genjutsu. Not really attack from behind, usually as we seen in Naruto, distracting and attacking from behind doesn't really work that much on great shinobi.

What would make sense to me is that Itachi killed Shisui, obtained MS from it. Danzo discovers the body, informs Orochimaru, they do experiments to implant the right arm and right eye into Danzo, then add other sharingans from the Uchiha Massacre and add some Hashirama DNA and Danzo is good to go.

I understand what you are trying to say but I doubht that Madara is using Shisui's eye or his sharingan.

[shadedcrow]

Even if there was more than 10 root members + Danzo, Shisui was one of the most talented members, so i don't think he would have fallen so easily. But what Chiyo said was that if one gets caught in Genjutsu, the others should disrupt the jutsu by attacking Itachi or hitting the person in the genjutsu. Not really attack from behind, usually as we seen in Naruto, distracting and attacking from behind doesn't really work that much on great shinobi.

What would make sense to me is that Itachi killed Shisui, obtained MS from it. Danzo discovers the body, informs Orochimaru, they do experiments to implant the right arm and right eye into Danzo, then add other sharingans from the Uchiha Massacre and add some Hashirama DNA and Danzo is good to go.

I understand what you are trying to say but I doubht that Madara is using Shisui's eye or his sharingan.

The way your saying dosent account for the suicide note, or the body that the other Uchiha clansmen, found unless Kishi left us privy to some abnormality on the body that the leafs police force couldnt find.

thats cool were entitled to our own ideas and points of view, it only took two memebers of the uchiha clan to destroy the rest though. So I dont personaly see why two ninja couldnt take out Shusui if hes really dead. So I dont see why someone like Kakashi who could use earth style juitsu wouldnt go ape in their battle, if their arms and hands cant move (the head hunter juitsu)then a sharingan user would get messed up as long as you didnt look into their eyes.(attacking from behind, or the side.)

Also the jacked up thing about Kagebushin is that someone like Itachis dad could have been with Itachi, and sent the shadow clone to the meeting. And without anything to compare it against he(Itachis dad) could have gotten away with sending the clone to the meeting while the origional was with Itachi. Theres a million ways it could play out, and still be within the realm of reason.