Re: chouji is kage material ?????
Well in that case I can argue with anyone on the forum that until kishi says so, no one can beat anyone else in a fight that did not happen in the manga. And yes, you are right. Kishi decides who beats who and we saw a lot of fights won by good guys just because they were good and did not follow much logic (we might even see tenten defeat all kakuzu's hearts before she runs out of chakra). But on the other hand I like to debate here and as much as I agree with what you've said, I also have to follow logic. So if I were to express myself correctly I would say: If I were to follow the logic so far displayed in naruto, combined with what we know about the characters, I would believe that x can beat y because of those reasons. But since there are a lot of vs threads on this forum I'm guessing we can assume almost all of us agree that it comes down to kishi and we debate just for the fun of it.
Originally Posted by pemayozer
And I don't know 100% that all of the ones I mentioned above can beat Chouji. Actually, I don't think neither of them can win 100%. But they have a much higher chance of winning against choji than choji has against them. The ones that I think are debatable are neji and kurenai. Of course whatever I say isn't written in stone and I can change my mind the same way I have in the past (sasori vs oro thread, kakashi vs hizashi thread).
Indeed there are a lot more jounin, but some are stronger than chouji and some are weaker and we cannot know for sure how many there are. I just gave you examples of jounin we know about.
Also Asuma can not handle butterfly Choji. Also don't put Yamato down because we don't even know if he is dead or alive.
Also let me me show you jounin who would lose.
Most of the front line jounin.
Shizune would lose yes.
inoichi would lose
I do not think kankuro would lose. He is one of those bodyguards I've mentioned above.
We don't know much about otokaze and we don't know much about those front line jounin. We know that it takes a lot to become a jounin and as far as konoha goes, I gave you the example of what it takes to become a jounin (kakashi, gai, yamato and so on).
Also I don't think asuma would lose to chouji. We saw ino-shika-chou beat asuma indeed, but a 1on1 fight with both of them serious would go down another way.
So as a conclusion, I don't believe that a sudden butterfly shape would put chouji on a jounin or kage level. There much more to it than that (i.e. battle experience, intelligence, leadership skill). A sudden increase in speed and power does not change that much. As an example you can take the chunnin exams where shikamaru was clearly not the fastest/strongest shinobi there, but was the only one promoted.