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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    I doubt Asuma would pwn Choji 1vs1 now. Maybe before but now I doubt that.
    He reach another level. Also I cheered for an anbu once. It was the white ANBU at the start of the kage fight. He was pretty good.

    Why can you not promote Choji to Jounin. He can get promoted like anyone else.
    Neiji has a good chance of beating Tsunade but guess what you think his clan branch leader is going to take orders from the side house. So no Neji would never become kage. The main house does not listen the the sub house. Neij isn't kage material either. He is to young and inexperince. 80-90% are you mad show me that 80-90%. jounin more clearly stronger than choji.

    Point them out because right now sir your just making numbers up. Your not an accountant so please do not play with number before you get yourself hurt.

    He is sitting on jounin status I don't even see where you going. Fact show them
    Jounin that can beat choji:

    Kakashi
    Gai
    Asuma
    Yamato
    Kurenai (not stronger, but uses genjutsu)
    ALL the jonin that were bodyguards for the 5 kage (10 jounin)
    Neji
    Hizashi
    Shikaku (seeing how smart he is)
    the list can go on

    Jounin that might lose to choji:
    Shizune
    Choza (I don''t think so but maybe)

    So far I've said 18 jounin can beat choji, 2 jounin cannot. That mean that out of 20 jounin mentioned, only 2 can lose to choji. That means 10% can lose to choji, 90% will beat choji. And that's how I came up with those numbers.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Jounin that can beat choji:

    Kakashi
    Gai
    Asuma
    Yamato
    Kurenai (not stronger, but uses genjutsu)
    ALL the jonin that were bodyguards for the 5 kage (10 jounin)
    Neji
    Hizashi
    Shikaku (seeing how smart he is)
    the list can go on

    Jounin that might lose to choji:
    Shizune
    Choza (I don''t think so but maybe)

    So far I've said 18 jounin can beat choji, 2 jounin cannot. That mean that out of 20 jounin mentioned, only 2 can lose to choji. That means 10% can lose to choji, 90% will beat choji. And that's how I came up with those numbers.
    we have anther kishi running loose in our forum and telling us who will beat who and who cannot beat who...this guys know everything.
    Can we ask how ?
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by pemayozer View Post
    we have anther kishi running loose in our forum and telling us who will beat who and who cannot beat who...this guys know everything.
    Can we ask how ?
    personal opinion. go away now
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Jounin that can beat choji:

    Kakashi
    Gai
    Asuma
    Yamato
    Kurenai (not stronger, but uses genjutsu)
    ALL the jonin that were bodyguards for the 5 kage (10 jounin)
    Neji
    Hizashi
    Shikaku (seeing how smart he is)
    the list can go on

    Jounin that might lose to choji:
    Shizune
    Choza (I don''t think so but maybe)

    So far I've said 18 jounin can beat choji, 2 jounin cannot. That mean that out of 20 jounin mentioned, only 2 can lose to choji. That means 10% can lose to choji, 90% will beat choji. And that's how I came up with those numbers.
    Quote Originally Posted by pemayozer View Post
    we have anther kishi running loose in our forum and telling us who will beat who and who cannot beat who...this guys know everything.
    Can we ask how ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    personal opinion. go away now
    :P this guys seriously fails to undersand :flaw:
    you making list : dumping your personel opinin
    Me commenting : asking you to justify
    you commenting : showing u lack basic understanding capability.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by pemayozer View Post
    :P this guys seriously fails to undersand :flaw:
    you making list : dumping your personel opinin
    Me commenting : asking you to justify
    you commenting : showing u lack basic understanding capability.
    Fine. Let me make this clear.

    First of all all of the jounin I've mentioned have more experience than choji. Neji is debatable.

    Any of the jounin at the 5 kage summit would be able to defeat choji (battle experience + the fact that they were the bodyguards of a kage). Agreed? That's 10 jounin.

    Gai would beat Choji. Agreed?

    Kakashi would beat choji. Agreed?

    Asuma would most likely beat choji. How did I reach this conclusion? Well Asuma is chouji's superior and knows pretty much everything there is about him. Asuma is also more experienced in battle and I believe is faster than Chouji. He was also one of the 12 protectors or whatever, I don't remember now. Overall, I don't think that Chouji + wings can defeat what I mentioned above.

    Yamato would beat choji. Besides the fact that he has mokuton, he has proven to be a very diverse shinobi in a lot of areas and can go from close range to mid range.

    Kurenai would beat choji. I do not see choji using genjutsu at all. Kurenai does, so this is just a guess.

    Neji would beat Chouji. He is a strong hyuuga and specializeed in close range. someone like choji would need to work extremely hard to penetrate neji's ultimate defense and avoid neji's attacks.

    Hizashi would beat chouji. Hizashi si stronger than neji. If neji can, Hazashi can.

    Shikaku. He is the grown up version of shikamaru. We saw shikamaru beat someone like Hidan and we know for a fact that Shikaku is the intelligence leader on the shinobi army. I don't think there is a possible way in which chouji can beat him.

    Now why don't you try and explain why I am wrong?
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Jounin that can beat choji:

    Kakashi
    Gai
    Asuma
    Yamato
    Kurenai (not stronger, but uses genjutsu)
    ALL the jonin that were bodyguards for the 5 kage (10 jounin)
    Neji
    Hizashi
    Shikaku (seeing how smart he is)
    the list can go on

    Jounin that might lose to choji:
    Shizune
    Choza (I don''t think so but maybe)

    So far I've said 18 jounin can beat choji, 2 jounin cannot. That mean that out of 20 jounin mentioned, only 2 can lose to choji. That means 10% can lose to choji, 90% will beat choji. And that's how I came up with those numbers.
    Please it is way more Jounin than that. I like how you just put some down.

    Also Asuma can not handle butterfly Choji. Also don't put Yamato down because we don't even know if he is dead or alive.

    Also let me me show you jounin who would lose.
    Shizune
    Inoichi Yamanaka
    Kankurō
    Otokaze
    Most of the front line jounin.


    so it is no even right figures your showning.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    Please it is way more Jounin than that. I like how you just put some down.

    Also Asuma can not handle butterfly Choji. Also don't put Yamato down because we don't even know if he is dead or alive.

    Also let me me show you jounin who would lose.
    Shizune
    Inoichi Yamanaka
    Kankurō
    Otokaze
    Most of the front line jounin.


    so it is no even right figures your showning.
    i agree, but who is otokaze?
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Fine. Let me make this clear.

    First of all all of the jounin I've mentioned have more experience than choji. Neji is debatable.

    Any of the jounin at the 5 kage summit would be able to defeat choji (battle experience + the fact that they were the bodyguards of a kage). Agreed? That's 10 jounin.

    Gai would beat Choji. Agreed?

    Kakashi would beat choji. Agreed?

    Asuma would most likely beat choji. How did I reach this conclusion? Well Asuma is chouji's superior and knows pretty much everything there is about him. Asuma is also more experienced in battle and I believe is faster than Chouji. He was also one of the 12 protectors or whatever, I don't remember now. Overall, I don't think that Chouji + wings can defeat what I mentioned above.

    Yamato would beat choji. Besides the fact that he has mokuton, he has proven to be a very diverse shinobi in a lot of areas and can go from close range to mid range.

    Kurenai would beat choji. I do not see choji using genjutsu at all. Kurenai does, so this is just a guess.

    Neji would beat Chouji. He is a strong hyuuga and specializeed in close range. someone like choji would need to work extremely hard to penetrate neji's ultimate defense and avoid neji's attacks.

    Hizashi would beat chouji. Hizashi si stronger than neji. If neji can, Hazashi can.

    Shikaku. He is the grown up version of shikamaru. We saw shikamaru beat someone like Hidan and we know for a fact that Shikaku is the intelligence leader on the shinobi army. I don't think there is a possible way in which chouji can beat him.

    Now why don't you try and explain why I am wrong?
    the basic reason y u are wrong is ur not kishi neither am i,
    no 1 other than kishi can say who can beat who....
    for heavens sake he can say iruka has a bloodline limit that no jutsu wil work in his presence and he killied madara and all .


    you have said all body gaurds can beat chouzi,gai can beat chouzi,neji can beat chuji but the qyestion is how do u know that.
    last time hegot wings he beat a curse sealed ninja, nowwith his new wings he is confident enought to put the entire battle to an end..
    tell me how do u know neji beats him,how does ao , choujiro beat him...
    ur argument is neji is from hugya clan so he can beat him, wat if chouji beacme super size..how would neji use his taijutsu then...
    the fact is u dont know nething until the fight actualy takes place...
    with the butterfly form one punch can finish the fight...how do you know that chouji will not be able to land one punch in a fite with any of your jounins...

    all your figures and number are your personell opinin, which would be true if you were the author or naruto but for the simple fact you are not..ur opinins are just your opinions, its no fact
     
         
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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by pemayozer View Post
    the basic reason y u are wrong is ur not kishi neither am i,
    no 1 other than kishi can say who can beat who....
    for heavens sake he can say iruka has a bloodline limit that no jutsu wil work in his presence and he killied madara and all .


    you have said all body gaurds can beat chouzi,gai can beat chouzi,neji can beat chuji but the qyestion is how do u know that.
    last time hegot wings he beat a curse sealed ninja, nowwith his new wings he is confident enought to put the entire battle to an end..
    tell me how do u know neji beats him,how does ao , choujiro beat him...
    ur argument is neji is from hugya clan so he can beat him, wat if chouji beacme super size..how would neji use his taijutsu then...
    the fact is u dont know nething until the fight actualy takes place...
    with the butterfly form one punch can finish the fight...how do you know that chouji will not be able to land one punch in a fite with any of you jounins...
    Well in that case I can argue with anyone on the forum that until kishi says so, no one can beat anyone else in a fight that did not happen in the manga. And yes, you are right. Kishi decides who beats who and we saw a lot of fights won by good guys just because they were good and did not follow much logic (we might even see tenten defeat all kakuzu's hearts before she runs out of chakra). But on the other hand I like to debate here and as much as I agree with what you've said, I also have to follow logic. So if I were to express myself correctly I would say: If I were to follow the logic so far displayed in naruto, combined with what we know about the characters, I would believe that x can beat y because of those reasons. But since there are a lot of vs threads on this forum I'm guessing we can assume almost all of us agree that it comes down to kishi and we debate just for the fun of it.

    And I don't know 100% that all of the ones I mentioned above can beat Chouji. Actually, I don't think neither of them can win 100%. But they have a much higher chance of winning against choji than choji has against them. The ones that I think are debatable are neji and kurenai. Of course whatever I say isn't written in stone and I can change my mind the same way I have in the past (sasori vs oro thread, kakashi vs hizashi thread).

    Also Asuma can not handle butterfly Choji. Also don't put Yamato down because we don't even know if he is dead or alive.

    Also let me me show you jounin who would lose.
    Shizune
    Inoichi Yamanaka
    Kankurō
    Otokaze
    Most of the front line jounin.
    Indeed there are a lot more jounin, but some are stronger than chouji and some are weaker and we cannot know for sure how many there are. I just gave you examples of jounin we know about.

    Shizune would lose yes.
    inoichi would lose
    I do not think kankuro would lose. He is one of those bodyguards I've mentioned above.
    We don't know much about otokaze and we don't know much about those front line jounin. We know that it takes a lot to become a jounin and as far as konoha goes, I gave you the example of what it takes to become a jounin (kakashi, gai, yamato and so on).
    Also I don't think asuma would lose to chouji. We saw ino-shika-chou beat asuma indeed, but a 1on1 fight with both of them serious would go down another way.

    So as a conclusion, I don't believe that a sudden butterfly shape would put chouji on a jounin or kage level. There much more to it than that (i.e. battle experience, intelligence, leadership skill). A sudden increase in speed and power does not change that much. As an example you can take the chunnin exams where shikamaru was clearly not the fastest/strongest shinobi there, but was the only one promoted.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    no he is not kage level. by the end of this war though he should be jonin level though maybe even s class jonin.

    kage level really is a stretch.
    besides chouji said he was going to end the battle but really all thats left is white zetsu. chouji's dad will fight dan and some others will fight kakuzu. chouji can help beat them but he is far from kage level.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    There is more to being a kage than just power. I admit that Choji has become quite stronger, but does he come close to the other kages or other great ninjas? He is a bit off it that prospect, but he has great potential and I would say he could become a high class jounin. He has great physical strength that few can exceed, but he lacks diversity and is basically all close combat. But he is maybe one of the characters who has the worst potential when it comes too leadership and governing a city. So choji is clearly way down the pecking order.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    Please it is way more Jounin than that. I like how you just put some down.

    Also Asuma can not handle butterfly Choji. Also don't put Yamato down because we don't even know if he is dead or alive.

    Also let me me show you jounin who would lose.
    Shizune
    Inoichi Yamanaka
    Kankurō
    Otokaze
    Most of the front line jounin.


    so it is no even right figures your showning.
    i had to look otokaze up just to know who you were talking about, (its the guy who finds the 4th kazekage's body) and it doesn't help when the only 4 jounin you think choji would beat aren't even fighters, shizune is a med-nin/secretary, inoichi (is related to ino so auto fail) is a intell/mind reading ninja also one of the ino-shika-cho teams that req you be in your 3 person squad to be at real fighting capacity, kankuro would probably lose to giant butteryfly choji but no normal/normal giant choji. otokaze is basicly just a filler char idk if hes even a real jounin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Migualon J.J. View Post
    i agree, but who is otokaze?
    lol the guy who finds the 4th kazekage's body, thats all i could find on him. oh and his name means sounded wind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mino View Post
    There is more to being a kage than just power. I admit that Choji has become quite stronger, but does he come close to the other kages or other great ninjas? He is a bit off it that prospect, but he has great potential and I would say he could become a high class jounin. He has great physical strength that few can exceed, but he lacks diversity and is basically all close combat. But he is maybe one of the characters who has the worst potential when it comes too leadership and governing a city. So choji is clearly way down the pecking order.
    This, basicly. Choji has all but 0 battle strat, for a while he was actually more useless then ino in the asuma fight, he doesn't have much fight experience, the only 2 (maybe 3 if you count both hidan and kazuku) akatsuki members hes fought hes epicly failed againest, has he beat anyone besides the weakest sound 4 guy? he'll be clan leader and i guess promoted to jounin because of that and future experience and hopefully skill he gains later on. but he'll never EVER be kage level.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    This thread is just plain stupid. Even Naruto isn't yet Kage material although he is powerful, but he lacks maturness and decision making skills. But he still has confidence that Choji doesn't have. so...
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Ok
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    sure
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Sarutobi View Post
    i had to look otokaze up just to know who you were talking about, (its the guy who finds the 4th kazekage's body) and it doesn't help when the only 4 jounin you think choji would beat aren't even fighters, shizune is a med-nin/secretary, inoichi (is related to ino so auto fail) is a intell/mind reading ninja also one of the ino-shika-cho teams that req you be in your 3 person squad to be at real fighting capacity, kankuro would probably lose to giant butteryfly choji but no normal/normal giant choji. otokaze is basicly just a filler char idk if hes even a real jounin.



    lol the guy who finds the 4th kazekage's body, thats all i could find on him. oh and his name means sounded wind.



    This, basicly. Choji has all but 0 battle strat, for a while he was actually more useless then ino in the asuma fight, he doesn't have much fight experience, the only 2 (maybe 3 if you count both hidan and kazuku) akatsuki members hes fought hes epicly failed againest, has he beat anyone besides the weakest sound 4 guy? he'll be clan leader and i guess promoted to jounin because of that and future experience and hopefully skill he gains later on. but he'll never EVER be kage level.
    I never said he be kage level :P your right. But them are jounin . I was just fussing the fact that he can beat some jounin and that doesn't include the special type jounin. Which can make him a jounin.

    Also Shizune like Kabuto are medical ninjas but they know how to fight. Just like Dan and the fifth. Also we seen Shizune lead groups of people going towards a battle. Just like Inoichi going to battle pain. But Naruto told him he has this.

    Also if thats the case who have we seen Asuma beat up really? We seen him beat up some randoms but when it came to main people who have he won aganist that we know of?

    He might had have a strong past but as of recently all he talked about was a board game and a king and training.
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    on the choji = kage level ... no ofc

    on choji = jounin lvl ... ofc yes, at the end he will be slightly above his father (the whole generation surpassing) and his father is one of the most powerful jounins in the village as I see it

    on choji vs asuma ... asuma>choji imo, hes a sarutobi that alone is a lot, he is the son of the 3rd, choji is strong but sorry imo asuma is stronger, or if we see it from another perspective asuma = (about) grown up konohamaru so you chose jounin konohamaru vs jounin choji
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    I think Chouji will get the Rinnegan and be the Jinchuriki of the 10 tails
     
         

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    Re: chouji is kage material ?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Realtwisted View Post
    He is Kage material. Kakashi a "Kage Material" according to many people din't do much as Chouji is doing with his bare hands. Chouji is going to end this battle, what has Kakashi done? NOthing, he had being helped by a lot ninja just to seal two weak ninjas and with his Talk no jutsu, and yet he is still conciderate a Kage material. Chouji is killing them with his bare hands, no sealing, not talk no jutsu.
    You may have a point there about Chouji being near Kage Level, but lets not take for granted that Chouji had help from Ino, Shikamaru, and the Sand-nin who wrapped up Asuma. Kakashi had help from some random nin, but still needed his team plus random nin. He hasn't killed anyone with his bare hands and Kakashi has (stabbed through both resurrected shinobi with his Lightning Blade). Kakashi did just as much against Zabuza (who is really at Asuma's level) and Haku with less help than Chouji did against Asuma.
     
         

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