[Discussion] Naruto's Kyuubi Form.

[TheMrVader]

Now we have seen both of Bee's forms. The eight tails cloak and the merged form. As well we have seen Naruto's nine tails cloak, but the only time we have seen the merge form is when he is consumed by hate when fighting Pain.

From what I remember right there is a problem with Naruto taking on the merged form of Kyuubi. I am pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that the Kyuubi is full of hate. We also know the First Hokage could control the Kyuubi as well.

So I am not saying it will happen, but what I think and what I would LOVE to see is Naruto be able to tame the Kyuubi's hate and be able to summon him in a way to be his own form.

Meaning that instead of merging with the kyuubi, being able to let the chakra form outside of his body. So instead of Naruto merging he could let the Kyuubi at for a given amount of time to fight along side of Naruto.

Whatchayall think?

[doubledude]

would be cool

[NLee]

So in a sense, release the Kyuubi?

He'd die

[TheMrVader]

So in a sense, release the Kyuubi?

He'd die

I agree, but if anyone can tame the hate in the Kyuubi, it would be Naruto.

[TheMrVader]

The kyuubi is the most powerful tailed beast besides the 10 tails obviously, but that also mean that he has the most hate.

[naruto sennin]

That would be cool if he could use the kyuubi like tobi did

[TheMrVader]

O and another thing, kinda crazy, but if he could not control the Kyuubi because his hate is to strong to tame, then he could always have him on a chain, aka Kushina's

[Schmack]

naruto's merged form with 9tails was just an inferior version of 9tails cloak. so there's no reason to ever go into that mode again.

merged: 9tails in control.
cloak: naruto in control.

cloak > merged

get it? besides, what's the point of bringing out 9tails if naruto can already utilize virtually all of its chakra?

[NLee]

what's the point of bringing out 9tails if naruto can already utilize virtually all of its chakra?

I agree

Naruto, himself, can use the Kyuubi's chakra. What benefits would he gain by releasing it and using it as a pet?

That's assuming he doesn't die from letting the Kyuubi out.

[TheMrVader]

naruto's merged form with 9tails was just an inferior version of 9tails cloak. so there's no reason to ever go into that mode again.

merged: 9tails in control.
cloak: naruto in control.

cloak > merged

get it? besides, what's the point of bringing out 9tails if naruto can already utilize virtually all of its chakra?

O so Bee's cloaked form is inferior to his merged form? That's wierd. O and the merged form of Kyuubi is obviously really weak since it survived Pains strongest move. O and cloaked form is the most powerful form Naruto will ever get outa the kyuubi?

[TheMrVader]

I agree

Naruto, himself, can use the Kyuubi's chakra. What benefits would he gain by releasing it and using it as a pet?

That's assuming he doesn't die from letting the Kyuubi out.

Wow are you serious? If Naruto and the Kyuubi, a big ass demon fox with nine tails, was attacking someone you dont think there would have a benefit?

[Sanji..]

That would be cool

[NLee]

Wow are you serious? If Naruto and the Kyuubi, a big ass demon fox with nine tails, was attacking someone you dont think there would have a benefit?

Naruto himself can use the Kyuubi's chakra. Virtually all of it. He can put it to better use by using it himself. He doesn't need the Kyuubi to be fighting for him.

O so Bee's cloaked form is inferior to his merged form? That's wierd. O and the merged form of Kyuubi is obviously really weak since it survived Pains strongest move. O and cloaked form is the most powerful form Naruto will ever get outa the kyuubi?

Why are you bringing KB into this? That's a completely different case.

Naruto's cloak form: Naruto is in control
Naruto's merged form: the Kyuubi is in control

KB's cloak form: KB is in control
KB's merged form: KB is still in control

Therefore, Naruto's merged form is inferior to his cloak form.

[TheMrVader]

Naruto himself can use the Kyuubi's chakra. Virtually all of it. He can put it to better use by using it himself. He doesn't need the Kyuubi to be fighting for him.






Why are you bringing KB into this? That's a completely different case.

Naruto's cloak form: Naruto is in control
Naruto's merged form: the Kyuubi is in control

KB's cloak form: KB is in control
KB's merged form: KB is still in control

Therefore, Naruto's merged form is inferior to his cloak form.

So you must be best buds with Kishi, cause you seem like you know that Naruto will never get full control of merged form.

Basically what you are saying is:

Naruto cloak: only thing he will ever have besides the use of Kyuubi's chakra.
Naruto merge: Naruto will never be able to merge with kyuubi and remain in control.

Correct?

[leezagboola]

if he releases the kyuubi will naruto still have any power left inside him? i wouldnt let him out

[TheMrVader]

if he releases the kyuubi will naruto still have any power left inside him? i wouldnt let him out

Well I don't know. Minato sealed away half of the Kyuubi's charka which is one way. Another thing is that how much of the chakra would be need to summon it? We don't know that either. Another way I guess is Naruto would give up the charka to let the Kyuubi free, but after taming him. Naruto has alot of chakra already so i guess its possible. Or maybe something like a Shadow Clone form of the Kyuubi would come out.

Not saying its gonna happen for sure, but it would be cool.

[Hawker]

O so Bee's cloaked form is inferior to his merged form? That's wierd. O and the merged form of Kyuubi is obviously really weak since it survived Pains strongest move. O and cloaked form is the most powerful form Naruto will ever get outa the kyuubi?

Dude, you did not get Shmack's point. He's saying that cloaked form is inferior to merged because Naruto is in control and so nothing bad can't happen to him or others(friends) from the use. So that's why cloaked form owns 'cause it's very powerfull and still does not have any bad side effects like ur body burning for example.

[sixSageNaruto]

you guys are forgetting the big picture naruto is stronger then the kyuubi at his current state

[TheMrVader]

Dude, you did not get Shmack's point. He's saying that cloaked form is inferior to merged because Naruto is in control and so nothing bad can't happen to him or others(friends) from the use. So that's why cloaked form owns 'cause it's very powerfull and still does not have any bad side effects like ur body burning for example.

Dude, you didn't get my point. If Naruto tamed Kyuubi and was in control then what would be more powerful, the cloak or the merge?

It is stated in the manga that KB's cloak is the first stage, and the second being the merged form.

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

That would be a tough point to say that Naruto would have more advantages in a controlled full Kyuubi transformation than in his Rikudo Sennin mode.

As the Kyuubi, he's huge. He'd be a target for countless jutsu. Kabuto, Sasuke, and Madara wouldn't have too much of a problem with him if he's that size. Finding him would be especially easy.

If he's smaller, then there is no problem.

[Hawker]

Dude, you didn't get my point. If Naruto tamed Kyuubi and was in control then what would be more powerful, the cloak or the merge?

It is stated in the manga that KB's cloak is the first stage, and the second being the merged form.

Well but for now the merged form is what we have seen for example against Pain, so Schmack is right about the thing that there is no point going back to that stage. Different of course if Naruto tames Kyuubi as u say.

[Schmack]

O so Bee's cloaked form is inferior to his merged form? That's wierd. O and the merged form of Kyuubi is obviously really weak since it survived Pains strongest move. O and cloaked form is the most powerful form Naruto will ever get outa the kyuubi?

lmao you're comparin bee's forms with naruto's forms? do bee and 8tails get along? yes. do naruto and 9tails get along? no. and yes atm cloak is stronger than merged since naruto's in full control of 9tails chakra without him being consumed by 9tails hatred. naruto can utilize all the power that 9tails used to break out of chibaku tensei without losing control.

your comparison = failtastic. get lost.

[NewKageism]

Really don't know. We haven't seen his cloak form really.

We seen his tail beast when fighting pain. So right now I am saying beast form until we seen cloak. It took a lot of work from him to control the 9 tail inside himself.

Now the 9 in all its glory is on another level of its own.

I think anything bonded is weaker than free

[Rihari]

well he did defeat his eveil side when he 1st came to tht island and narutos evil side had no good just hatred maybe he will take the same approach lyk tht to the kyuubi

[TheMrVader]

lmao you're comparin bee's forms with naruto's forms? do bee and 8tails get along? yes. do naruto and 9tails get along? no. and yes atm cloak is stronger than merged since naruto's in full control of 9tails chakra without him being consumed by 9tails hatred. naruto can utilize all the power that 9tails used to break out of chibaku tensei without losing control.

your comparison = failtastic. get lost.

I am pretty sure I never said that ATM the cloak is weaker than merged form. Secondly like NewKageism said we have not seen the extent of the cloaked form, so either way as of now the merged form is pretty strong. Third I am not saying his merged form necessarily means they form psychically. Maybe they will merge in chakra, in where the Kyuubi can be free, but still in a state where he would be an ally to Naruto.

Basically all of you that are saying the cloaked form is better than if he had some type of merge I have a question for you.

Will Naruto only have the cloaked form, and the use of the Kyuubi's chakra?

Meaning, is that the mastered form and he will learn nothing more that the cloak state ever?