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    Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Ok, so I'm starting to see new Sixth Coffin discussions. And once again we have the usual suspects: 1st Hokage, 4th Hokage, Sage Of Six Paths, Izuna Uchiha, and Madara's Real Body. So I've decided to re-post my arguement in regards to the Sage and Izuna, since we all should know that KABUTO CANNOT SUMMON ANY HOKAGE SINCE THEY ARE ALL TRAPPED IN THE DEATH GOD'S BELLY AND HE CANNOT SUMMON "BODIES" HE SUMMONS "SOULS" AND PUTS THEM IN DEAD BODIES!!! AS FAR AS THE SAGE AND IZUNA:

    First read this page:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/521/4

    Kabuto says "I will learn the secrets of the sage of six paths." But wait a minute, if he was able to summon him why not just control him and discover his powers that way?

    Most peoples theories about the sixth coffin have been based on the belief that Tobi is Madara. If so, then the last coffin must be Izuna. He is the only person who has ever been able to match his brother's fighting strenght other than the 1st & 4th Hokages(Neither of which can be summoned since they are sealed in the belly of the Death God).

    If you don't believe that Tobi is Madara, then the sixth coffin must contain someone who knows the true identity of Tobi or MADARA himself!!!

    FYI I'm leaning towards Izuna. I believe he forced Kabuto to tell him the secrets of Impure World Ressurection so that he could stop the jutsu in order to avoid having to fight the only person who was considered his equal other than the 1st Hokage.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    original
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    A lot of threads about this already lol
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    yap too many maybe, but this is one of the best iw readed
    nice one there
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    ^Yes but there's not a lot of threads like this where someone actually supports their opinion.

    And you guys all look stupid for not actually reading the thread, he makes a decent point.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    I think Tobi is Aizen getting time on Naruto after getting ROFLstomped, and it is Ichigo who is in the Sixth Coffin.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Quote Originally Posted by Heister View Post
    ^Yes but there's not a lot of threads like this where someone actually supports their opinion.

    And you guys all look stupid for not actually reading the thread, he makes a decent point.
    nope. I've seen all these points brought up before.

    but it's ok, I forgive you
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Quote Originally Posted by Heister View Post
    ^Yes but there's not a lot of threads like this where someone actually supports their opinion.

    And you guys all look stupid for not actually reading the thread, he makes a decent point.
    He's Not saying anything new. This has been repeated over and over.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Learn to use the SEARCH button >:-{
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSharingan View Post
    nope. I've seen all these points brought up before.

    but it's ok, I forgive you
    He still defends his opinions.

    I never said it hasn't been said before, but it doesn't warrant people to be complete dicks to him.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Quote Originally Posted by Heister View Post
    He still defends his opinions.

    I never said it hasn't been said before, but it doesn't warrant people to be complete dicks to him.
    No one has been mean to him yet lol
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Jussttt saying but.. Why would madara be so startled when he saw his own brother, unless it wasnt madara himself, I honestly think that Izuna Is Tobi, and madara is actually in the coffin, because why else would Kabuto say "Dont worry, i havnt told anyone yet", For Tobi to be so startled by something like that obviously shows something >.> i mean i know they said he was dead, but tobi was the one telling the story, so why believe him at all?
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    millions of reasons but only one answer
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    ive read over 3 more other topics like this - BUT!! - this 1 caught my full attention - i think this kid has potential - -
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    Quote Originally Posted by deluxhollatme View Post
    First read this page:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/521/4

    Kabuto says "I will learn the secrets of the sage of six paths." But wait a minute, if he was able to summon him why not just control him and discover his powers that way?

    Most peoples theories about the sixth coffin have been based on the belief that Tobi is Madara. If so, then the last coffin must be Izuna. He is the only person who has ever been able to match his brother's fighting strenght other than the 1st & 4th Hokages(Neither of which can be summoned since they are sealed in the belly of the Death God).

    If you don't believe that Tobi is Madara, then the sixth coffin must contain someone who knows the true identity of Tobi or MADARA himself!!!

    FYI I'm leaning towards Izuna. I believe he forced Kabuto to tell him the secrets of Impure World Ressurection so that he could stop the jutsu in order to avoid having to fight the only person who was considered his equal other than the 1st Hokage.
    You're right about the Hokage, Kabuto cannot summon any of them (Except Tsunade, after she dies). I don't know if he could summon Danzo, although I don't see why he would want to.

    You're also right about the sage. If Kabuto had the ability to summon the sage, he would do it and use it as an obvious show of strength. He hasn't done that. Also, like you mention, he could just ask the Sage any questions he wanted directly, and not need to do sneaky things to learn about them. Also, when Kabuto is listing who he cannot summon, he specifically mentions that he could not find the body of Shuisui or Jiraya, and that he had an idea of where to get the sage of the six paths' DNA, but didn't have it yet. That would have been unnecessary if he had already summoned the sage.

    On another point, why would the sage have been particularly frightening to Madara? Nagato has the rinnegan, 4 sacred tools were obviously in Kabuto's possession to give to the Kin/Gin brothers, and Madara has 7 of the tailed beasts that the Sage got most of his chakra from. The sage might be wise, but Nagato and the Kin/Gin brothers would have been just as powerful without the juubi, and Madara has 7 tailed beasts to use if needed. It isn't the sage, and it isn't a matter of battle power.

    The last coffin might contain Izuna like you mention, but your logic on that point is flawed. It has nothing to do with strength. I think that Nagato is more powerful than Madara, but Nagato wasn't in the sixth coffin and Madara didn't seem scared to see Nagato. And even if Nagato wasn't more powerful by himself, the team of all former Akatsuki members together would be. Madara didn't seem to be afraid of the whole team, even when Kabuto summoned all of them first. This isn't a matter of strength.

    Also, we saw the fight of Madara against Konan. Konan isn't one of the most powerful members of Akatsuki, but she laid a trap that almost killed him, destroyed one of his arms and caused him to sacrifice one of his precious sharingan. If Konan can do all that, imagine what Nagato could have done, or Nagato and Itachi together (with Kabuto in the background), or all former Akatsuki members could do. Madara is just a shell of his former strength, as Itachi mentioned at one point, and Madara said so himself as well. It doesn't require a powerful Uchiha to defeat him, since he isn't at full power.

    And even then, Izuna only had MS, not EMS. Izuna wouldn't have had the ability to counter Madara's space/time jutsu. Izuna doesn't have more power than Itachi would, for instance, but Madara wasn't afraid to see Itachi appear in the coffin. In either case, Madara didn't even know that the summons kept their unique features until Kabuto told him that much later.

    Recap:
    1) When the sixth coffin appeared, Madara was already looking at 5 other coffins containing 5 very powerful former Akatsuki AND he was facing Kabuto. Those six fighters would have been very powerful together, but Madara wasn't afraid of any of those.
    2) Kabuto mentioned that he had several summons as well. Madara didn't seem afraid of that either.
    3) Madara would not have been afraid of a person with MS eyes. First, he didn't know that the summon creatures even kept their unique dojutsu (Kabuto didn't reveal that detail until later), and Itachi was in the first group of summons, but Madara wasn't afraid of seeing Itachi.
    4) Arguably, Nagato and probably Itachi were as powerful or more powerful than Izuna. It's hard to compare, but Itachi was a genius among the Uchiha clan. Nagato is definitely more powerful. Kakuzu might be as well, he was very strong and fought against the first hokage without dieing.

    Again, I'm not saying Izuna was not in the coffin. If he was, Madara was not afraid of him because of strength (there were other summons to be afraid of) and not because of unique MS abilities (Itachi also has MS, and Madara didn't know that the summons even had or could use their MS). Actually, looking at these facts together, it doesn't make a lot of sense for Izuna to be in that coffin anyway. There's nothing about Izuna that Madara should be afraid of.

    Here's a list of people that we know it is not, from things that Kabuto said, from the list of summons we've seen fighting already, and from the people I mention above that do not make any sense:
    1) People we've seen summoned already (old akatsuki members, old kages, old jinchuuriki, other powerful ninja)
    2) People who are sealed and cannot be summoned (old hokage, maybe Orochimaru)
    3) People whose DNA could not be found (Jiraya, Shuisui, Sage of six paths, the bodies for Pain's six paths technique)

    It also doesn't make sense to be Izuna (probably can't find the DNA, has no unique skills that Itachi wouldn't have, is not more powerful than any of the other summons).

    I don't have a theory for who it could be, but I know a lot of other theories don't make sense. We are slowly narrowing it down.
     
         

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    Re: Revisiting the Sixth Coffin

    im pretty sure its izuna, i thought that straight away.
     
         

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    6th coffin+ madara/tobi!!!

    now i know there are hundreds of threads about who is in the 6th coffin and if madara and tobi is the same person..so although there has been numerous threads this is my opinion..criticize me if u want but people opinions can change over time so i want to refreshing the convo...

    im sure a majority of us can come to the conclusion that the person in the 6th coffin is either madara or his brother. for obvious reasons we know why its not any past hokages..we should also know that it is not so6p because his body/soul is the moon


    i see the only thing that could catch tobi/madara attention in the coffin could be nobody but his brother or his real body.nobody ele is relevant enough im my opinion..


    now concerning if tobi is actually madara is another thing..i actually believe that madara soul is in a ninja body by the name of tobi...my reasons for that is he stated himself that that body is just a shell...with that said i think he used the same technique that oro used switch bodies every 3 years...this would explain why he was willing to help itachi kill the uchiha clan..madara has stated that he likes to collect eyes(mainly sharrigans) what better way to get hundreds of sharingans then takin them from a whole clan.

    if u think about it we have yet to see madara use his ms. i honestly think he cant use it..i dont think he has it..now we know he uses izangi(sp?) when he battle..from the fight with sasuke and danzo we learn that when they use izangi they eye close for good..so could it be everytime madara/tobi uses it he has to switch eyes..and since he was living for so long that maybe thats why he only put it in one eye instead of 2 so he can save as many eyes as he can..
    thats just my opinion..what do u guys think? or is this too much of a stretch???
     
         

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    Re: 6th coffin+ madara/tobi!!!

    yeah some are far fetched... but you have points as well as others have.
     
         

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    Re: 6th coffin+ madara/tobi!!!

    Don't the coffins have substitute bodies, not the real ones?
     
         

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