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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    And you're forgetting that Raikage would have killed himself against Sasuke...Seriously the fight with Sasuke shows Raikage's powers best. He was fast and strong, but couldn't really break a lvl 1 susanoo. And besides that, he is an idiot that constantly underestimates people and just attacks...cause we all know he could have avoided punching through susanoo since he didn't really do much damage and he was the one taking the most damage out of it. I don't think that fox mode is weaker than that version of sasuke. Cause if you come to think of it, Naruto relies heavily on close combat and if he isn't faster that full power raikage (which he have yet to see) and isn't stronger (in your opinion) then EMS Sasuke will mop the floor with Naruto and his fox...
    And I don't think I'm overestimating Naruto's powers at all. It's 50% of the most destructive tailed beast (if you don't count the juubi). That's a lot either way you put it. Of course you can argue that it's only half, but half of that is still more than anyone can handle. And one more thing you're forgetting...apparently naruto surpassed Jirayia and Minato a while ago if we believe the words of those in the manga...and then as soon as he got the fox cloak, he attacked kisame and Bee said it reminded him of the yellow flash or whatever. So Naruto barely learned to control it and was as fast as minato in Bee's eyes, but now you're suggesting that after he's more skilled with it, he cannot surpass the Raikage, just because.

    Again, sasuke is not naruto and vice versa.Sasuke had susano which he could hide behind,when he quickly found out the raikage was faster(even with the sharingan) and stronger(broke the ribs of lvl 1 susano) than him.The guy, avoided the thing which people thought was impossible to dodge(on pure speed).Was it smart of the raikage to keep attacking sasuke? obviously not, he could have just waited till sasuke lost his patience(which he had none of in his evil state) but the thing is, he thought his "brother" was murdered by sasuke so he was filled with rage and wanted him to pay, which is btw a natural reaction, and a completely different scenerio from the naruto confrontation....
    unlike sasuke, naruto does not have an invincible shield so it would be a completely different fight.Naruto tactics is heavily based on taijutsu, which the raikage specializes in.Nobody can question the raikage's strenght, and when it comes to speed he is the fastest man out there, where naruto only began learning.
    So, in a fight where the confrontation will consist of strenght,speed and agilty.....who would win?The one who has the experiance in all the fields,and is the leader of the shinobi allience, or the inexperianced one, who has the potential to be the greatest(and fastest/strongest) but who has not reached that goal yet.And 50%, no matter how you look at it,is a watered down version which can't be compared to the original.
    you got to read everything in context,naruto did surpass the fourth when it came to the rasengan ,since minato never completed the full form.And he is on his way to surpass him in speed too. jiraiya never truly mastered sage mode, and naruto did so the frogs naturally says that he surpassed him.

    you have to be able to differenciate between potential, and what naruto can do now.Not 5 years from now.....
     
         
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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

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    Again, sasuke is not naruto and vice versa.Sasuke had susano which he could hide behind,when he quickly found out the raikage was faster(even with the sharingan) and stronger(broke the ribs of lvl 1 susano) than him.The guy, avoided the thing which people thought was impossible to dodge(on pure speed).Was it smart of the raikage to keep attacking sasuke? obviously not, he could have just waited till sasuke lost his patience(which he had none of in his evil state) but the thing is, he thought his "brother" was murdered by sasuke so he was filled with rage and wanted him to pay, which is btw a natural reaction, and a completely different scenerio from the naruto confrontation....
    unlike sasuke, naruto does not have an invincible shield so it would be a completely different fight.Naruto tactics is heavily based on taijutsu, which the raikage specializes in.Nobody can question the raikage's strenght, and when it comes to speed he is the fastest man out there, where naruto only began learning.
    So, in a fight where the confrontation will consist of strenght,speed and agilty.....who would win?The one who has the experiance in all the fields,and is the leader of the shinobi allience, or the inexperianced one, who has the potential to be the greatest(and fastest/strongest) but who has not reached that goal yet.And 50%, no mater how you look at it,is a watered down version which can't be compared to the original.
    you got to read everything in context,naruto did surpass the fourth when it came to the rasengan ,since minato never completed the full form.And he is on his way to surpass him in speed too. jiraiya never truly mastered sage mode, and naruto did so the frogs naturally says that he surpassed him.

    you have to be able to differentiate between potential, and what naruto can do now.Not 5 years from now.....
    "The guy, avoided the thing which people thought was impossible to dodge(on pure speed)" - are you talking about amaterasu? Cause I don't think it fits the description. It was never amaterasu's thing to be fast, but rather to be destructive.

    Sasuke held his own against Raikage. He wasn't fast enough though, but naruto is. Speed+strength is naruto's thing. I don't know how you got the idea that Raikage is faster than naruto but I would appreciate it if you shared it with me so that I can try to understand your reasoning.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by siyo View Post
    Again, sasuke is not naruto and vice versa.Sasuke had susano which he could hide behind,when he quickly found out the raikage was faster(even with the sharingan) and stronger(broke the ribs of lvl 1 susano) than him.The guy, avoided the thing which people thought was impossible to dodge(on pure speed).Was it smart of the raikage to keep attacking sasuke? obviously not, he could have just waited till sasuke lost his patience(which he had none of in his evil state) but the thing is, he thought his "brother" was murdered by sasuke so he was filled with rage and wanted him to pay, which is btw a natural reaction, and a completely different scenerio from the naruto confrontation....
    unlike sasuke, naruto does not have an invincible shield so it would be a completely different fight.Naruto tactics is heavily based on taijutsu, which the raikage specializes in.Nobody can question the raikage's strenght, and when it comes to speed he is the fastest man out there, where naruto only began learning.
    So, in a fight where the confrontation will consist of strenght,speed and agilty.....who would win?The one who has the experiance in all the fields,and is the leader of the shinobi allience, or the inexperianced one, who has the potential to be the greatest(and fastest/strongest) but who has not reached that goal yet.And 50%, no matter how you look at it,is a watered down version which can't be compared to the original.
    you got to read everything in context,naruto did surpass the fourth when it came to the rasengan ,since minato never completed the full form.And he is on his way to surpass him in speed too. jiraiya never truly mastered sage mode, and naruto did so the frogs naturally says that he surpassed him.

    you have to be able to differenciate between potential, and what naruto can do now.Not 5 years from now.....
    bruh i wouldnt bother arguing with anybody in this thread. because some of them are to ignorant to see both saides and do not like the raikage. it is obvious that anub doesnt like the raikage for what ever reason (its a cartoon, not that serius) and even if kishi says that the raikage would win, he would still deny it and will never give the man credit. its like talking to a wall! this thread isnt suppose to be this serius considering raikage:
    1)has one hand
    2)and he isnt in full power mode
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    "The guy, avoided the thing which people thought was impossible to dodge(on pure speed)" - are you talking about amaterasu? Cause I don't think it fits the description. It was never amaterasu's thing to be fast, but rather to be destructive..
    understatement of the year.......amaterasu was said to be unavoidible and as soon as the user connect with the enemy, he emerses inflames.Gaara did it with ultimate defense, at long range,and The raikage did it at close range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Sasuke held his own against Raikage. He wasn't fast enough though, but naruto is. Speed+strength is naruto's thing. I don't know how you got the idea that Raikage is faster than naruto but I would appreciate it if you shared it with me so that I can try to understand your reasoning.
    did i say otherwise? sasuke is naruto's ultimate rival(or one of) you brought in sasuke, when you tried to mix that match with the naruto one.I would like you to share with me naruto's susano(or other invincible defenses) since you made the comparison (to what sasuke did in that fight)...i can play that game too.....
    we don`t know if naruto is slower than the raikage, but we do know that the raikage can boost his speed(fact).With naruto we don' t know, so logically the fastest guy we IS still the reigning speeding champ.


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    bruh i wouldnt bother arguing with anybody in this thread. because some of them are to ignorant to see both saides and do not like the raikage. it is obvious that anub doesnt like the raikage for what ever reason (its a cartoon, not that serius) and even if kishi says that the raikage would win, he would still deny it and will never give the man credit. its like talking to a wall! this thread isnt suppose to be this serius considering raikage:
    1)has one hand
    2)and he isnt in full power mode
    i am beginning to feel that i AM hitting a wall :flaw: counterarguing after conuteraguing, without the acknowledgement of when your facts(or some of them) are wrong or has been disputed....

    btw, i got no problem with people disagreeing with me, as long as they can give and take(plus get their facts from the manga),or make it clear that they are speculating....
     
         
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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    He stopped Raikage because he knew Naruto would kick his Ass, and he didnt want his brother the Great raikage to be seen knocked on his ass infront of the hokage by a Genin!!

    even though his just an anime character, I Truly hate raikage....
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by siyo View Post
    true, but she is a hokage, which means that if she thinks naruto is in danger,chances are he is.she got a good grip of what naruto can do(Except what he learned with bee) and she feared for his live.Bee stopped him because of his sword,did you forget that thing nulifies everything?Naruto does not have that luxury.



    again, the raikage is not a NORMAL person,he got beast level chakra(confirmed last week).That means his chakra reserve equals a host.......
    then you have to factor in he is a kage, who obvioulsly knows all the forbidden techs in his village.So yes, i think he could keep up with naruto in his current state.And a 50% weaker version is a lot from the original,so how is he unstoppable?


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    Your first comment does not make sense u are making it seem that nine tails mode is nothing special and you keep saying that the raikage has beast level chakra and the fact that he is also really strong, I agree with it but naruto is not some random ninja he already knows sage mode and rasen shruken. What he learned from bee just makes him much stronger you really think he won't be able to on the raikage and just to let you not all kages know all the forbidden techs of their village, that is a bad assumption.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

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    bruh i wouldnt bother arguing with anybody in this thread. because some of them are to ignorant to see both saides and do not like the raikage. it is obvious that anub doesnt like the raikage for what ever reason (its a cartoon, not that serius) and even if kishi says that the raikage would win, he would still deny it and will never give the man credit. its like talking to a wall! this thread isnt suppose to be this serius considering raikage:
    1)has one hand
    2)and he isnt in full power mode
    I hate raikage because he's just a bad character. He's got fans mostly because he seems badass or whatever. But the truth is that he is a one-dimensional character, with 0 development so far and hasn't impressed me a bit. He got angry when bee got taken away, acted overly manly in front of naruto when he begged him to save sasuke and then he turns around on his own team and wants to kill him...the fact that madara might get his hands on naruto is not a good enough reason to kill him...why not beat him to the point that he cannot do anything on his own? If he's that strong he should be able to do that no problem. Naruto planned on doing the same thing with sasuke...

    Quote Originally Posted by siyo View Post
    understatement of the year.......amaterasu was said to be unavoidible and as soon as the user connect with the enemy, he emerses inflames.Gaara did it with ultimate defense, at long range,and The raikage did it at close range.
    link pls where it says it. Cause I really don't remember. See, I was thinking that it depends on the user. Ever thought that Itachi's amaterasu might have a different speed+range+power because he had more practice with it? It's true Sasuke could manipulate it better, but I don't think Sasuke's amaterasu is the best example you can give here.



    did i say otherwise? sasuke is naruto's ultimate rival(or one of) you brought in sasuke, when you tried to mix that match with the naruto one.I would like you to share with me naruto's susano(or other invincible defenses) since you made the comparison (to what sasuke did in that fight)...i can play that game too.....
    we don`t know if naruto is slower than the raikage, but we do know that the raikage can boost his speed(fact).With naruto we don' t know, so logically the fastest guy we IS still the reigning speeding champ.
    Now you're just acting like you're desperate. Let's try and use logic again:

    A.We saw naruto switch to a higher speed at will without breaking a sweat.
    B.We know that naruto was not taking the fight seriously (at least until he got angry at A)

    from A and B => (1) naruto can go faster or (2) naruto was at his fastest?

    you can pick.

    i am beginning to feel that i AM hitting a wall :flaw: counterarguing after conuteraguing, without the acknowledgement of when your facts(or some of them) are wrong or has been disputed....

    btw, i got no problem with people disagreeing with me, as long as they can give and take(plus get their facts from the manga),or make it clear that they are speculating....
    You are not using facts from the manga omg...what you are saying are not facts. You are saying that we saw naruto move at the same speed as raikage and we know that raikage can go up a level. But that's it. Nowhere in the manga does it say that Naruto was at his fastest. We do know though that Naruto attacked Kisame as soon as he got the cloak and Bee only saw a yellow flash. The same bee that was quick and strong enough to stop Raikage's attack that you claim was at equal (or even higher) level to naruto's speed. That, my friend, is not a fact. You're just assuming that naruto can only go so far and you will be proven wrong within the next chapters. Also, on a side note, why did you not reply to leafeater? I believe he pretty much covered every aspect of this debate, yet you decide to only counter me.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    bruh i wouldnt bother arguing with anybody in this thread. because some of them are to ignorant to see both saides and do not like the raikage.
    Read your quote and see if it makes sense. The first sentence says not to argue with anyone because your second sentence says only some of the posters are biased.

    View me as you will, and feel free to disagree; however, I feel I delivered a fair statement. Please don't use blanket statements since they almost never hold up. Sure some people are biased, others want to pick a fight, but you should try to see the good. What you described can be found in nearly every thread on any forum.

    Peace
     
         
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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

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    naruto would have got kill
    i dont think so
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by arv993 View Post
    Your first comment does not make sense u are making it seem that nine tails mode is nothing special and you keep saying that the raikage has beast level chakra and the fact that he is also really strong, I agree with it but naruto is not some random ninja he already knows sage mode and rasen shruken. What he learned from bee just makes him much stronger you really think he won't be able to on the raikage and just to let you not all kages know all the forbidden techs of their village, that is a bad assumption.
    omg, where the hell do i say naruto is weak??? if you read the entire thread you would notice, i say several times, that naruto has improved and that he got the potential to be the greatest ever.The quote just says that the hokage knows what she is talking about.I am just focusing on the raikage because he is being underestimated, so naturally it is from his point of view and what he can do against naruto...duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    I hate raikage because he's just a bad character. He's got fans mostly because he seems badass or whatever. But the truth is that he is a one-dimensional character, with 0 development so far and hasn't impressed me a bit. He got angry when bee got taken away, acted overly manly in front of naruto when he begged him to save sasuke and then he turns around on his own team and wants to kill him...the fact that madara might get his hands on naruto is not a good enough reason to kill him...why not beat him to the point that he cannot do anything on his own? If he's that strong he should be able to do that no problem. Naruto planned on doing the same thing with sasuke...
    LOL so you're basically admiting that you are biased? could have spared me the time.......so nothing will obviously convince you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    link pls where it says it. Cause I really don't remember. See, I was thinking that it depends on the user. Ever thought that Itachi's amaterasu might have a different speed+range+power because he had more practice with it? It's true Sasuke could manipulate it better, but I don't think Sasuke's amaterasu is the best example you can give here.
    lol, now you don't remember? You sounded pretty convincing before.....
    but will help you out....http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/390/16
    it also says so in databbok 3 that the move is unavoidible, so i was right, eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    Now you're just acting like you're desperate. Let's try and use logic again:

    A.We saw naruto switch to a higher speed at will without breaking a sweat.
    B.We know that naruto was not taking the fight seriously (at least until he got angry at A)

    from A and B => (1) naruto can go faster or (2) naruto was at his fastest?

    you can pick.
    fact is naruto wanted to pass the raikage with force and was shocked he couldn't so shocked in fact that he pleaded with tsunade(something he did not do before).True or not? he said himself he needed to be faster even though the raikage did not boost his level yet(as we saw against sasuke). So i am speaking with logic and you are speculating.You're hoping that naruto does something we haven't seen yet...(big difference).Could naruto pull of something? sure but we have not seen it........
    you did not answer my question about sasuke.....avoiding it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Anub View Post
    You are not using facts from the manga omg...what you are saying are not facts. You are saying that we saw naruto move at the same speed as raikage and we know that raikage can go up a level. But that's it. Nowhere in the manga does it say that Naruto was at his fastest. We do know though that Naruto attacked Kisame as soon as he got the cloak and Bee only saw a yellow flash. The same bee that was quick and strong enough to stop Raikage's attack that you claim was at equal (or even higher) level to naruto's speed. That, my friend, is not a fact. You're just assuming that naruto can only go so far and you will be proven wrong within the next chapters. Also, on a side note, why did you not reply to leafeater? I believe he pretty much covered every aspect of this debate, yet you decide to only counter me.
    again selecting reading.......()

    facts:
    1: the hachibi used a sword which eats chakra,so it nulifies everything
    2.Raikage got super strenght(broke lvl1 susano ribs,destroyed zetzu,and naruto said he would have been done if he did not block his attack)
    3:chakra levels equals a host
    4:incredible speed which we saw against sasuke and he is the fastest after minato.
    5.Survived several encounters with the fourth hokage
    6 the raikage wanted to stop not kill naruto and he succeded(for the moment),he only went for the "kill" in the end when it was stopped.

    am i missing something? i base my assumptions on things said and done in the manga and not what we have yet to see.........


    btw, i can't respond to everyone who disagrees with me,so logically i answers to people who reply or the maker of the thread(in most cases).But i did read what he said and makes some good points, but nothing which dispute what i am saying(unless i missed something)....He is speculating on stuff i can't prove or disprove.
     
         
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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

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    LOL so you're basically admiting that you are biased? could have spared me the time.......so nothing will obviously convince you.
    There's a fine line between hating a character for being one-dimensional and being biased towards another character. No, I am not biased, I just told him the reason why I hate raikage. There's a lot more reasons why I hate Naruto if you want me to start listing all the characters I hate...


    lol, now you don't remember? You sounded pretty convincing before.....
    but will help you out....http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/390/16
    it also says so in databbok 3 that the move is unavoidible, so i was right, eh?
    Nice job. I honestly didn't remember that part with amaterasu. So let's say that it was unavoidable. Itachi missed on purpose obviously and Sasuke the nooblet was not skilled enough for it yet. Also Raikage the fastest human being alive at that point. Sounds about right?

    fact is naruto wanted to pass the raikage with force and was shocked he couldn't so shocked in fact that he pleaded with tsunade(something he did not do before).True or not? he said himself he needed to be faster even though the raikage did not boost his level yet(as we saw against sasuke). So i am speaking with logic and you are speculating.You're hoping that naruto does something we haven't seen yet...(big difference).Could naruto pull of something? sure but we have not seen it........
    you did not answer my question about sasuke.....avoiding it?


    Naruto wanted to pass by raikage with force the same way raikage wanted to punch naruto with force. He asked tsunade for help to avoid conflict...I thought that was obvious. He said he will need to be faster to go past him. He obviously did not go the FASTEST he could.

    What question about Sasuke? The where you want me to tell you the equivalent of sasuke's susanoo? It's the fox cloak. Doesn't work the same way, but if you think about it, it gives naruto a lot of advantage: naruto is strong to begin with and has durability+fox cloak makes hit faster (so for example whenever he gets attacked he can move backwards so that he hit doesn't do much damage). Also, if you noticed, Naruto could see Raikage's movements without needing MS. Sasuke could barely do it with an EMS.

    again selecting reading.......()

    facts:
    1: the hachibi used a sword which eats chakra,so it nulifies everything
    2.Raikage got super strenght(broke lvl1 susano ribs,destroyed zetzu,and naruto said he would have been done if he did not block his attack)
    3:chakra levels equals a host
    4:incredible speed which we saw against sasuke and he is the fastest after minato.
    5.Survived several encounters with the fourth hokage
    6 the raikage wanted to stop not kill naruto and he succeded(for the moment),he only went for the "kill" in the end when it was stopped.

    am i missing something? i base my assumptions on things said and done in the manga and not what we have yet to see.........


    btw, i can't respond to everyone who disagrees with me,so logically i answers to people who reply or the maker of the thread(in most cases).But i did read what he said and makes some good points, but nothing which dispute what i am saying(unless i missed something)....He is speculating on stuff i can't prove or disprove.
    1. was the sword used though? Cause I only saw a fist bump.
    2. obviously Raikage's got strength. But naruto would have been done if he would get caught by susanoo, amaterasu, jirayia's rasengan, etc...And in the same way I would come to think Raikage would be done if Naruto gets a clean hit.
    3. what host though?
    4. He is saying he is the fastest alive. But let's get some facts straight here : he hasn't seen what naruto is capable of. And since he is cocky, of course he wouldn't say: "Naruto, my friend, I think it's time to have a chat. I believe that I am the fastest man alive, but seeing how you can control the kyuubi now I will give you a chance to prove yourself before making harsh judgements."
    Also you need to remember this: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/505/12
    Bee knows Minato and most likely saw his speed. You can draw the conclusion to where I'm going.
    5. encounters we know nothing of. . Naruto survived a few encounters with Itachi... you like to play with the idea that if you start off with a fact, you can bend the rules.
    6. raikage hit naruto hard. He wanted to stop him, but not push him, or reason with him. He wanted to show him who the boss is. He didn't.

    you base your assumptions on the words of the manga, not the actual action. If raikage says he is the fastest alive you believe him, instead of realizing that he doesn't have a clue what naruto is capable of. same goes for most of your arguments.

    I'm not expecting you to reply to everyone. I pointed out that if you were so keen to win this debate, why not tackle the strongest opposition? Ok, I've come up with counter arguments as well but the way I see it, it's me and leafeater vs you and draegod arguing on this forum. leafeater hasn't been countered yet. If you would prefer I will copy his reply so you can counter me (with his arguments). Either way, I am trying not to repeat what he said so I am trying to bring something new. But if you're not countering him, then I can re-enact his entire post cause there's a lot of valid arguments in there. Looking forward to your reply.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    bruh i wouldnt bother arguing with anybody in this thread. because some of them are to ignorant to see both saides and do not like the raikage. it is obvious that anub doesnt like the raikage for what ever reason (its a cartoon, not that serius) and even if kishi says that the raikage would win, he would still deny it and will never give the man credit. its like talking to a wall! this thread isnt suppose to be this serius considering raikage:
    1)has one hand
    2)and he isnt in full power mode
    Let me try to explain something.

    Whenever I argue, I look at both sides. Even if I hate a character, even if I love a character. And I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong or when I am over the line and start making things up just to argue. I've done it before. What you are saying is that I am biased towards naruto and no one can make me realize that he is weaker than raikage. Truth is, if 1 good argument in the manga proves your theory, then rep to whoever points it out. I don't mind. But I am arguing for what I stand for. I've been accused before of being an Itachi fanboy, yet I defend Jirayia beating Itachi. Yes, Itachi is one of my favorite (top 3) characters and I would prefer him to win, but I cannot take his side against a sage mode jirayia. I am always looking at both sides and examining them way before I post so I always come prepared in a debate.

    "this thread isnt suppose to be this serius considering raikage:
    1)has one hand"

    That's just wrong. Raikage has 1 arm because of his stupidity, not because he agreed not to use it against naruto. We're debating 1 armed Raikage vs naruto (the present battle, not a 'what if' battle), not raikage at his best.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    umm i think that what everyone is saying is completly interesting. i envy you ppl who r support yourselfs. I would never have the time to do that. And coould someone teach me how to make a thread please?
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by toxious View Post
    I think he stopped the fight coz he didn't want Naruto to use Kage Bunshin, coz the kyuubi could be unleashed that way.
    i think bee stopped it because i think naruto was about to try to use the tailed beast rasengan, not shadow clone.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by leafeater View Post
    Sorry man, I've been busy or maybe I could've provided more to this argument as you're having to do a solid job () against plenty of solid opposition and holding your own. Albeit, it's a long post from me, so I'm not sure if everything jives with everyone or even anyone, so apologies.

    1A.) The Raikage is not as strong as he was at the Kage summit simply due to the loss of his left hand and some of his forearm (how much? 1%, 5%, ..., I don't know). If Gaara hadn't intervened, he might've died from his own stupidity with only the possibility of taking Sasuke with him. Nothing was guaranteed that his kick would've fully broken through Susanoo, just that the Raikage's leg and perhaps body would end up consumed in Ameratsu, and Darui would be the 5th Raikage.

    1B.) I highly doubt the Raikage held anything back at the the Kage summit (if some are suggesting that) as he had no reason and multiple reasons to go all out. First, he's fighting emotion was fueled by the rage of fighting the person who supposedly captured his "brother" Bee to die by having the Hachibi extracted. Second, Sasuke and his MS were extremely dangerous, and we know that both the Raikage and his guards used specific jutsu to counter Sasuke. For example, a support ninja used a water release to confirm his lightning jutsu, and the Raikage charged his lightning armor shroud to high level in order to be able to body flicker when he saw blood from Ameratsu initiating. As well, every blow he landed on either Sasuke or one of Sasuke's teammates trying to protect him was a killing blow, there weren't really any low or even moderate blows unless to setup Sasuke for a finisher. Further, the Raikage would've gained nothing from holding back against Sasuke. He wanted him dead, and he was clearly intent on doing anything, including loss of limb, to get it done. Thus, he wasn't holding back. If someone thinks otherwise, please explain. I apologize as I've been ill and away.

    2.) Sasuke's power's are always going to be either slightly below/above or equal to Naruto's depending on the specific time point (The whole yin/yang bit from Kishi). For example, the instant Naruto tapped into the Kyuubi at the Valley of End and beat the crap out of Sasuke, Sasuke went from a 2 -> 3 tomoe Sharingan. That's how the story is meant. They'll never be disparately unequal.

    3.) I honestly can't judge Naruto too well right now as we haven't seen as much of his training like we usually do (usually we see him completing different steps, like the senjutsu training). As well, his Kyuubi mode is something totally new to everyone in the manga except the dead younger son of the So6P's who seems to have had something only akin to Naruto's Kyuubi mode. He only wants to fight when it's necessary, which is natural for someone aiming to bring peace and end hate/vengeance.

    Except for one hand sign at the very end before Bee intervened, I didn't see him do anything offensive or defensive (despite recognizing the Raikage's punch beforehand). The only thing he put any effort into was trying to just run past the Raikage. That's it. Naruto doesn't want to hurt anyone, not even the Kyuubi. For him, it's a last resort as seen in this chapter and previously with Nagato.

    I don't even know how much of the Kyuubi's chakra (Remember he sealed what he stole away, so perhaps his speed and other abilities are determined by how much takes from that area) he's using right now. I presume his control is pretty good since he passed those block stacking tasks and is very close to mastering the TBB Rasengan, which if history is any indicator he'll master and use in the next battle. He already had the fourth's speed immediately against after gaining the Kyuubi mode against Kisame, but without the control, so I doubt that training hasn't enhanced his speed beyond that somewhat. I imagine that adding control has to increase speed, simply by increasing efficiency alone. If it hasn't, fine, he and the Raikage are the two fastest people in the manga now that Naruto has demonstrated control against the Raikage.

    4.) Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya (senjutsu, may be further along towards advancing peace, ...) and Minato (FRS, TBB Rasengan, advancing peace,...) in some areas while in others, he still needs to make progress to surpass them. That's obvious. That type of statement by I think Gamakichi, the best toad ever (move aside Donatello), is not meant to be a blanket statement and was made watching Naruto in the heat of combat, not at some forum.

    5A.) Bee has been training with Naruto, and I think he knows how deadly his jutsu are, simply put that's how Naruto was trained by Jiraiya et al. His base jutsu, the Rasengan is a man made TBB. From there it only gets progressively worse and more destructive. His allegiance is torn right now. He's been raised to protect the Raikage, yet his exposure to Naruto has produced that weird ass friendship, "I will die for you" effect on him. Thus, by Bee dying, he could protect both Naruto and the Raikage.

    5B.) Personally, I can only speculate here, but I think Bee knows what Naruto and the Raikage are both able to do if both are serious. We've seen the Raikage already at his most intense against Sasuke, and we know he's a badass.

    I think Bee is concerned for A's safety if he truly forces Naruto to fight him as he can't protect him due to his newly divided allegiance to Naruto (cult no jutsu), otherwise the flashback wouldn't go back to when he was chosen as A's body guard where he was probably trained to die for the Raikage. I think that's the entire purpose of the flashback.

    5C.) Bee's intervening there at the end to remind A that he's there to protect him (Recall he bumped both his natural fist and the Hachibi fist), A the Raikage, and that while Naruto doesn't want to hurt A, he may as he's determined to pass. The only hope is to actually listen to Naruto; otherwise, something bad could happen. I predict Bee'll guarantee Naruto's safety by bumping Naruto's fists with possibly the guarantee of sepuku, and they'll join the war partially.

    6.) Personally, I really like this side of Bee. This is one of the best emotional moments in the manga in some time. I think much much more of him now than I did just 1 issue ago. He becomes more like the J-man, Ero Sennin, with time.

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by simonsez0800 View Post
    naruto would have got kill
    Thank you people be riding naruto's d!ck seriously you guys are just mad because kishi didnt overkill naruto's power besides that clone jutsu was gonna be his last jutsu
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by naruto_14 View Post
    Thank you people be riding naruto's d!ck seriously you guys are just mad because kishi didnt overkill naruto's power besides that clone jutsu was gonna be his last jutsu
    if it was shadow clone...
    i think sage mode would be the way to go vs raikage, in sage mode he doesnt feel pain and doesnt get hurt right? so it would be a wiser choice than kyuubi chakra mode
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Amazing you get a standing Ovation *Applauds*
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Bee knows what Naruto went threw when he was fighting the Kyuubi for control because after Naruto came out of it the bumped fist's again & he saw everything that happened. I think when we saw the stuff that Kushina was saying to Naruto after A insulted the 4th that was Bee thinking of it not Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Reason why Bee stopped Raikage

    Quote Originally Posted by siyo View Post
    i think, people keep underestimating the raikage,it was just last week when people said that naruto would be way faster in sage mode,and when he gets in beast mode, he would automatically smoke the raikage,but that was not the case.
    The raikage easily kept up with naruto, and if naruto didn't block the punch, he would have been wrecked(he said it himself), and that wasn't even his strongest attack(at that time he was only trying to stop naruto not kill).
    The fifth hokage was clearly scared, for naruto(when he did try to kill), and she believed naruto was saved.The raikage chakra is on beast level, and he is the fastest shinobi alive(until naruto probably surpass him later).He is a non-nonsense kage, who got tons of battle experiance, and he survived facing the fourth on mutiple occasions.He talks a lot of trash but he also backs it up....therefore he would obvioulsy have the advantage over an inexperianced naruto.

    face it, naruto is not invincible, and he won't beat everything that comes his way,even though he is the main character.I like that,because it shows that no matter how strong you are, there is always someone who got your card,and that is how past legends died.

    btw, naruto is doing great, the fact he can keep up with the fastest shinobi alive is amazing, and it shows that he keeps developing, in an incredible pace, and that he will eventually surpass anybody(but still not invincible).And basing an argument on a "look" from bee, is at best, very thin.....
    (oddly enough that hand seal looked a lot like his clone tech)
    If you don't remember Naruto wasted a lot of the nine tails chakra so I do agree with you to a point, Naruto would have been wrecked by that punch but if he has his full power the raikage would have been ubber wrecked.
     
         
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