Raikage(A) vs 4th hokage(minato

[leafeater]

chidori only peirced him a little he didnt even flinch. also he does use hand signs and summonig tattos look at ch. 395 pg. 10

The Raikage's a tough guy, so yes Chidori pierced him even if just a little, agreed.

What you cited refers to Minato's FTG space-time jutsu, not his linear speed, which is just his legs and arms...go back to the Madara vs. Minato engagement around ch. 500 (not sure the exact one) you'll see.

Peace

[Rodukaime Namikaze]

for me is MINATO because he beate Tobi in a match in manga and he is very strong and he almost beat Kyubi when Naruto was born (and he is the 4-th hokage in hidden leafe village):l

You, my friend, have stated it clear and simple. I agree :D

[Heister]

Raikage already admitted to not being able to beat him...

[Rodukaime Namikaze]

In all honesty, A was not able to damage Madara while Minato was able to. Not only touch him, but severely injure him to make him leave the village. A aint got shyt on Minato!

[Rihari]

minato because even the raikage said eh could not beat him

[ganjababy]

man Minato would destroy him! Minato = greatest of all time

[Itachi Namikaze]

Wft some of u guys read into things way too much, he was saying know was able to surpass his SPEED, relax he didn't say him as a shinobi (smh fanboys). Only because Raikage was not able to defeat the 4th doesn't mean the 4th is stronger, shyt the dude is fast and probably just kept on dodging his hits. That's basically wat all speed characters do in all cartoons/anime (flash, roadrunner lol). Their speed is good for getting away an tiring someone out, but without power they neither would e able to defeat another smart opponent. Now, I say it'll be a tie, because Raikage probably wouldn't be able to land a good enough fit and the 4th doesn't have a powerful enough hit to finish him off. This is why the 4th was not the best shinobi and why he was the second choice for being the 4th hokage.

Well I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Minato doesn't have a strong enough attack to finish him off. Honestly he came up with so many jutsu, he also had large chakra reserve, could summon toads(was probably a sage, if you want to argue this then I'll give my reasons) was a master at sealing, and was faster than Raikage even without his FTG. Minato obviously had alot more skills than you are giving him credit for. And I would say that Hiruzen would have chosen Jiraiya or Oro because of the fact that they were older and more experienced than Minato and were his students that way he could keep the lineage going. If it was based on strength I'm pretty sure Minato could beat J-man and Oro (no offense to Jiraiya, I love him).

As you are going to argue the point about Minato being a sage and I'm going to be gone for a few hours I'll just post it now. First off there is no proof that he is not one, secondly he was the contract holder of the toad summons even while Jiraiya was alive (first time we see him he is on Gamabunta with it on his back.), he also had a large chakra reserve so he would have been able to, and most importantly if you remember when Naruto battled Pain one of the toads said he had surpassed those that came before him, well the manga said that Jiraiya found Mount Myobokuzan or whatever when he was a kid. That means he wasn't given that scroll by anyone else and no one else we have seen has had toad summons or been on that contract so going off of what we know Jiraiya, Minato, and Naruto are the only toad summoner, so when that toad said he had surpassed those that came before him (referencing sage mode only) he was talking about Minato and Jiraiya. If you have good, solid arguments against this then please share it. I'm not a fanboy I just look at things like they are.

[JiraiyaTheToad Sage]

Minato...... Too easy.

[Saberwulf]

Minato faster smarter more talented
Yeah I really think the raikage will win.....:P this thread fail raikage said minato stronger
but still MInatoFTW

[Mr.Beastie]

minato because even the raikage said eh could not beat him

Dude he was talking about in speed.

[Mr.Beastie]

In all honesty, A was not able to damage Madara while Minato was able to. Not only touch him, but severely injure him to make him leave the village. A aint got shyt on Minato!

Dude raikage only got one chance you cant justify that.

[Mr.Beastie]

Minato faster smarter more talented
Yeah I really think the raikage will win.....:P this thread fail raikage said minato stronger
but still MInatoFTW

If it was a fail thread then why is it on the hotest thread list.

[Fnatic]

... this is like a battle between two badass...
Minato (cool-headed, QUICK, genius, quick-thinker) VS Raikage (hot-headed, ALSO QUICK, dumb whenever he gives in to his emotions)

but still, I cannot conclude since raikage has a very good defense and taijutsu even if minato is very fast...

[Gin-San]

??

Are guys reading the manga? or what.

During the fight vs sasuke they said is speed is comparable to the minato.
Then A' said minato is make of great power and thought no one would surpass him. And he said that becuase he was surpirsed he was killed. Thats where the flash image of the fox came up.

it does NOT that say minato is faster A'. A' simply gave him priase.

Comon guys, don;t jump to many conclusions.

Only ture question here is , how would raikage react to a rasengan? He already tankes choadori with EASE.

1.Minato is faster, Raikage admitted it twice in a single manga. here are some direct quotes from the Raikage:
"I am the fastest shinobi alive, now that the fourth hokage has passed away".
"He was a great man, one I thought would never be surpassed".

2. The reason chidori was ineffective against the raikage is because his thunder armor is electric type such as chidori. Two of the same kind of elements cancel each other, in other words, sasuke was "punching" the raikage's chest.
About rasengan, it is a little harder to know, it doesn't have an element affinity afterall. I say it will damage him, but probably no much.

The question is: would naruto's fuuton rasengan damage him? Yes

[Mr.Beastie]

1.Minato is faster, Raikage admitted it twice in a single manga. here are some direct quotes from the Raikage:
"I am the fastest shinobi alive, now that the fourth hokage has passed away".
"He was a great man, one I thought would never be surpassed".

2. The reason chidori was ineffective against the raikage is because his thunder armor is electric type such as chidori. Two of the same kind of elements cancel each other, in other words, sasuke was "punching" the raikage's chest.
About rasengan, it is a little harder to know, it doesn't have an element affinity afterall. I say it will damage him, but probably no much.

The question is: would naruto's fuuton rasengan damage him? Yes

Dude minato doesnt know fuuton rasengan he didnt master it. Also no one ever said the same element cancel each other out if it does show me where in the manga it says that if you cant show me then that cannot be justified.

[Gin-San]

Well I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Minato doesn't have a strong enough attack to finish him off. Honestly he came up with so many jutsu, he also had large chakra reserve, could summon toads(was probably a sage, if you want to argue this then I'll give my reasons) was a master at sealing, and was faster than Raikage even without his FTG. Minato obviously had alot more skills than you are giving him credit for. And I would say that Hiruzen would have chosen Jiraiya or Oro because of the fact that they were older and more experienced than Minato and were his students that way he could keep the lineage going. If it was based on strength I'm pretty sure Minato could beat J-man and Oro (no offense to Jiraiya, I love him).

As you are going to argue the point about Minato being a sage and I'm going to be gone for a few hours I'll just post it now. First off there is no proof that he is not one, secondly he was the contract holder of the toad summons even while Jiraiya was alive (first time we see him he is on Gamabunta with it on his back.), he also had a large chakra reserve so he would have been able to, and most importantly if you remember when Naruto battled Pain one of the toads said he had surpassed those that came before him, well the manga said that Jiraiya found Mount Myobokuzan or whatever when he was a kid. That means he wasn't given that scroll by anyone else and no one else we have seen has had toad summons or been on that contract so going off of what we know Jiraiya, Minato, and Naruto are the only toad summoner, so when that toad said he had surpassed those that came before him (referencing sage mode only) he was talking about Minato and Jiraiya. If you have good, solid arguments against this then please share it. I'm not a fanboy I just look at things like they are.

Man I will love if Minato was a sage, but there is no proof, you are just giving assumptions.
It pisses me off (not you, but the overall society that uses that type of excuse) when someone says: give me proof that there is not. I would answer with: Where is proof that he was one? It is easier to eliminate a negative.
In the manga there was no indication that minato had a large chrakra reserved, he used seals that didn't consume any chrakra; Naruto's chrakra reserve comes from her mother Kushina.
There is no proof (if there is give me manga page plx) that minato was a toad summoner, and if he was it doesn't mean he was a sage, afterall, naruto was able to summon Gamanbuta without being a sage.
And when Pa (the frog) said that he has surpassed the ones before him, it didn't meant sage mode skills but that naruto has surpassed previous generations, which is a major theme in Naruto.

[ackeem1992]

Minato in my view is way overrated,

Regarding the fight I haven't seen enough of raikage yet to assume if he would win or loose against minato, in theory wind is superior to lightening thus I think it would be safe to say rasengan would be able to shatter A's lightening armour. but like I said I haven't seen much of A, I'm sure he has some stellar tech/ability we've yet to see.

[Ira]

chidori only peirced him a little he didnt even flinch. also he does use hand signs and summonig tattos look at ch. 395 pg. 10

Chidori and Rasengan make different kind of impact. Remember the roof fight between Sasuke and Naruto?

Chidori didn't affect much Bee either since he uses lightenning element too... A And Bee both use the same element as Sasuke and to a higher degree probably(??).

Minato in my view is way overrated,

Regarding the fight I haven't seen enough of raikage yet to assume if he would win or loose against minato, in theory wind is superior to lightening thus I think it would be safe to say rasengan would be able to shatter A's lightening armour. but like I said I haven't seen much of A, I'm sure he has some stellar tech/ability we've yet to see.

you feel Minato is over rated ( fine by me) but because of the bias you are assuming that A must have some tech we have yet to see to defeat minato..

I think we have seen everything we are going to see from Raikage. He himself accepted Minato as his better and seem to look upto him and disappointed that he died while facing nine tails because h doesn't know the whole story.

Naruto is actually so far has been proved to be a successfull plan of Minato against Madara and Kyuubi.

[Gin-San]

Dude minato doesnt know fuuton rasengan he didnt master it. Also no one ever said the same element cancel each other out if it does show me where in the manga it says that if you cant show me then that cannot be justified.

Man I am sorry but can you read properly?
I said minato's rasengan not fuuton rasengan (past fight); I said Naruto's fuuton rasengan (current battle). Rasegan doesn't have element affinity, it is pure destructive force, so with or without wind element, it will still severly injure the raikage.

I found the proof you wanted
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/411/18 , and next page. As clearly seen, sasuke's unstoppable chidori blade was stop by killer bee. This happened because he put electric chrakra into his blade, thus making the unstoppable blade into a normal swing.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/3 , here you can see it again, sasuke stopped killer bee electric blade by pouring electric chrakra into the object that killer bee was cutting, thus eliminating the cutting force.

[ackeem1992]

Chidori and Rasengan make different kind of impact. Remember the roof fight between Sasuke and Naruto?

Chidori didn't affect much Bee either since he uses lightenning element too... A And Bee both use the same element as Sasuke and to a higher degree probably(??).





you feel Minato is over rated ( fine by me) but because of the bias you are assuming that A must have some tech we have yet to see to defeat minato..

I think we have seen everything we are going to see from Raikage. He himself accepted Minato as his better and seem to look upto him and disappointed that he died while facing nine tails because h doesn't know the whole story.

Naruto is actually so far has been proved to be a successfull plan of Minato against Madara and Kyuubi.

I am neither a fan of A or Minato, therefore my opinion is far from bias, I simply implied we haven't seen enough of A in battle, thus it is safe to assume that he possesses other techs than what we've already seen him used.

[Mr.Beastie]

Man I am sorry but can you read properly?
I said minato's rasengan not fuuton rasengan (past fight); I said Naruto's fuuton rasengan (current battle). Rasegan doesn't have element affinity, it is pure destructive force, so with or without wind element, it will still severly injure the raikage.

I found the proof you wanted
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/411/18 , and next page. As clearly seen, sasuke's unstoppable chidori blade was stop by killer bee. This happened because he put electric chrakra into his blade, thus making the unstoppable blade into a normal swing.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/3 , here you can see it again, sasuke stopped killer bee electric blade by pouring electric chrakra into the object that killer bee was cutting, thus eliminating the cutting force.

I can read properly. Dude your the one who said the question was would naruto's fuuton rasengan damage him? Yes thats exactly what you said. Naruto has nothing to do with this. Also just because sasukes lightning sword blocked bee's lightning sword doesnt prove anything its the same jutsu!!! If elements cancel out how come when itachi's and sasuke's fireball jutsu collided sasuke's was stronger! Elements dont cancel out if the other is stronger.

[Unmasked]

I know it has already been mentioned many times before so I won't say it again (regarding the whole 'Raikage admits that Minato is faster than him') but I will say something about the whole "Chidori didn't have an effect so Rasengan probably wont" idea. I've been doing a little snooping around and came across this statement on Naruto Wiki
"Once it is complete, it becomes self-sustaining, which does not give the Rasengan a definite limit like the Chidori."
I guess from this, and countless other sources (anime and such), we can all agree that Rasengan is much more destructive than the Chidori, which of course Sasuke used to pierce the Raikage's skin.
With this in mind and the FACT that Minato is faster than Raikage, landing a Rasengan will put Minato ahead of the game (not to say that he already is/was/would be). Remember this is just based on the stuff we have already seen, and since we haven't seen Raikage using anything other than Nintaijutsu, Minato wins :D

[blazekev90]

Man I will love if Minato was a sage, but there is no proof, you are just giving assumptions.
It pisses me off (not you, but the overall society that uses that type of excuse) when someone says: give me proof that there is not. I would answer with: Where is proof that he was one? It is easier to eliminate a negative.
In the manga there was no indication that minato had a large chrakra reserved, he used seals that didn't consume any chrakra; Naruto's chrakra reserve comes from her mother Kushina.
There is no proof (if there is give me manga page plx) that minato was a toad summoner, and if he was it doesn't mean he was a sage, afterall, naruto was able to summon Gamanbuta without being a sage.
And when Pa (the frog) said that he has surpassed the ones before him, it didn't meant sage mode skills but that naruto has surpassed previous generations, which is a major theme in Naruto.

I see I don't have stun dude myself with his assumptions, stating no facts what so ever, thnkz for correcting him before I got the chance get em myself.

[Mr.Beastie]

Chidori and Rasengan make different kind of impact. Remember the roof fight between Sasuke and Naruto?

Chidori didn't affect much Bee either since he uses lightenning element too... A And Bee both use the same element as Sasuke and to a higher degree probably(??).





you feel Minato is over rated ( fine by me) but because of the bias you are assuming that A must have some tech we have yet to see to defeat minato..

I think we have seen everything we are going to see from Raikage. He himself accepted Minato as his better and seem to look upto him and disappointed that he died while facing nine tails because h doesn't know the whole story.

Naruto is actually so far has been proved to be a successfull plan of Minato against Madara and Kyuubi.

Minato didnt have a plan he just had faith.

[sage sarutobi]

A is completely useless and no match for minato he can't defeat a genius with only just brute strenght and speed