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    New point on Naruto's jutsu.

    A couple of things to point out that I noticed.

    1. There are no shadow clones close by. Which is a must for Naruto.

    2. The image a couple manga's back, showed Naruto in the same location, but closer to the bridge. Versus in the latest manga, he was farther away.

    3. In that previous image, there was a large cloud of smoke in the sky. Presumably from the new jutsu, but because it failed to cut through....

    4. THUS, this new jutsu had to be powerful enough to cause that much smoke, but weak enough to do no damage.

    5. Rasen-shurrikan as we know it, explodes and shoots millions of of small chakara blades everywhere. We don't see that in the image from a couple manga's ago.

    6. The mountains were cut smooth. Similar to when J-man pressed rasengan into the tree to show Naruto the difference between the completed rasengan, versus the incomplete which only caused scratches.


    ****** Look at my image.....

    Naruto's first Rasen-shurrikan worked like the top image. He used wind chakara which surrounded rasengan. The wind chakara being very sharp was made into millions of pieces because rasengan exploded onto the enemy, throwing the wind chakara in every direction.

    In the second image, I am showing wind chakara INSIDE of rasengan. Remember in his initial training, Naruto made the waterballoon rotate in a circle, imagine that being wind energy. Naruto is able to compress the wind chakara INSIDE of the Rasengan form. When something is compressed, it moves ALOT faster. THUS this new rasengan would not harm Naruto, because the wind is trapped inside....

    This would explain how such a smooth cut was made in the mountain. Circle rasengan = perfect circle hole... Flat rasengan = flat hole "cut" in the mountain.
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    It definately is a posibility. But I am really getting tiered of rasengan. He has like what?...........6 or 7 rasengans already?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonmccash View Post
    A couple of things to point out that I noticed.

    1. There are no shadow clones close by. Which is a must for Naruto.

    2. The image a couple manga's back, showed Naruto in the same location, but closer to the bridge. Versus in the latest manga, he was farther away.

    3. In that previous image, there was a large cloud of smoke in the sky. Presumably from the new jutsu, but because it failed to cut through....

    4. THUS, this new jutsu had to be powerful enough to cause that much smoke, but weak enough to do no damage.

    5. Rasen-shurrikan as we know it, explodes and shoots millions of of small chakara blades everywhere. We don't see that in the image from a couple manga's ago.

    6. The mountains were cut smooth. Similar to when J-man pressed rasengan into the tree to show Naruto the difference between the completed rasengan, versus the incomplete which only caused scratches.


    ****** Look at my image.....

    Naruto's first Rasen-shurrikan worked like the top image. He used wind chakara which surrounded rasengan. The wind chakara being very sharp was made into millions of pieces because rasengan exploded onto the enemy, throwing the wind chakara in every direction.

    In the second image, I am showing wind chakara INSIDE of rasengan. Remember in his initial training, Naruto made the waterballoon rotate in a circle, imagine that being wind energy. Naruto is able to compress the wind chakara INSIDE of the Rasengan form. When something is compressed, it moves ALOT faster. THUS this new rasengan would not harm Naruto, because the wind is trapped inside....

    This would explain how such a smooth cut was made in the mountain. Circle rasengan = perfect circle hole... Flat rasengan = flat hole "cut" in the mountain.
    wow u make a lot of analysis when you are watching
     
         

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    It is very possible but i still would like to see something new from Naruto.
    Anyway,nice theory.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi XZ View Post
    It definately is a posibility. But I am really getting tiered of rasengan. He has like what?...........6 or 7 rasengans already?
    Yeah i know...

    Its a good theory, i just dont get one thing.

    You say when the wind is outside, it attacks naruto as it flies everywhere
    when the winds inside it doesnt, but if it always stays inside the rasengan how does it attack??

    Also if he can throw it now, surely it doesnt matter whether its inside or outside, as he'll be 20ft away because hes thrown it.
     
         

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    They way I think of it is...

    Original R-S:
    Take a plate, spin it on its axis... Then slowly pour water on the plate. The water moves to the outside of the plate because of centripetal force, and the water drops get flung off in every direction.

    New R-S:
    Now take the plate, put a boarder around it. Do the same thing. Spin the plate, with water, and the water collects on the outside. Stand back, and release the boarder, and the water shoots out in a consistent amount in every direction...

    Thats the difference. Naruto was originally trying to prevent the wind chakara from escaping rasengan. That is why it looked like a shurrikan. It was a noticable difference between normal rasengan, and R-S.

    Remember Sora's technique, where a wave of wind chakara came our and could slice through things... the new R-S will be like a slingshot for the wind chakara, using the plate example from above.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi XZ View Post
    It definately is a posibility. But I am really getting tiered of rasengan. He has like what?...........6 or 7 rasengans already?
    Basically... YES.

    Rasengan would be amazing if it always looked the same in form, so the enemy would know what type of attack would be coming.

    White rasengan for wind. Blue for water. Red for fire. Possibilities would be endless.
     
         

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    Yeah that makes sense thats pretty cool, is naruto really that smart? LOL

    It appears he is highly kinasthetic, he doesnt understand people describing things to him, he is much better at simply trying until he can do it, and understands something by doing it rather than reading or watching or listening.

    Also naruto has extremely large amounts of chakra, R-S is a terrifying jutsu, imagine him throwing these things around with 1000 odd clones, the enemy doesnt stand a chance, the clones used to just be taijutsu punch bags, but now he can literally surround and enemy and attack from afar with an S class jutsu over and over again, and the hit rate is cellular on each one.

    Looks like naruto will soon be like his dad-can take out armies single handedly.
     
         

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    YUP. He'll be Hokage, and be able to be everywhere and protect everyone at the same time. While he sits in Konoha in sagemode.

    I am pretty sure Naruto is getting smarter. Because he knew the disadvantage of not being able to move while charging up his Nature energy. When Pa-toad told him how he helped J-Man while fighting.... Naruto was like "OHHH So thats how!" Because like you said. He does things by trial and error.

    And I do think Naruto can beat Pain. Because Pain can see in 6 points of view, when Naruto can see in 1000's.

    One question though. Can Pain recharge his chakara while he is in control of the 6 dummies? Because Naruto can just stand back and constantly make new shadowclones while charging his chakara up again.
     
         

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    Hmmm, interesting, see there are many extraneous variables that we dont know or kishi has overlooked or naruto has overlooked

    1.R-S can be controlled by clones, this is shown when naruto fired up 2 of them against kakuzu and made kakuzu think the 3 clones had a real one when the real naruto was behind him, this shows clones CAN hold, and USE R-S

    This is why im finding it strange that tsunade made it forbidden, last i knew physical damage isnt put into the body once the shadow clones dissapear, in theory naruto can R-S with clones and the damage done to the clones doesnt matter.

    2.Why does naruto HAVE to be in sage mode to THROW this rasengan?

    See again, i cant think of why sage mode helps it become a mobiel long range attack, maybe he doesnt have to be in sage mode...maybe he does, who knows.


    However we know he cant make more than 4 sage clones (as of now) as pa toad said using over 4 would be dangerous, and he doesnt have enough staff.

    As time goes by naruto is obviously going to get stronger, his chakra increases loads.

    If he can make sage clones, cool, one problem though, peins "clones" or "puppets" dont blow up in smoke, they can be attacked and still survive and/or brought back to life, but i can see naruto using shadow clones in sage mode against pein.
     
         

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    Sagemode increases the durability of the clones. Maybe the New R-S was too powerful for a normal shadowclone to control...?

    You can't beat Pain 1 vs 6. Because the real Pain is still somewhere. Naruto can beat him by distracting the 6, and going after the 1 real one. If not go after the real pain, at least make it very hard for Pain to kill him. J-man struggled with this...

    ALSO, why didn't J-man ever use a shadow clone in his fight versus Pain....????
    Remember right before J-Man left Nagato, Kohnan ect... Their last combined attack actually got to J-Man, but he used a clone....??? I'm giving more consideration to the idea that J-Man isn't dead...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonmccash View Post
    Sagemode increases the durability of the clones. Maybe the New R-S was too powerful for a normal shadowclone to control...?

    You can't beat Pain 1 vs 6. Because the real Pain is still somewhere. Naruto can beat him by distracting the 6, and going after the 1 real one. If not go after the real pain, at least make it very hard for Pain to kill him. J-man struggled with this...

    ALSO, why didn't J-man ever use a shadow clone in his fight versus Pain....????
    Remember right before J-Man left Nagato, Kohnan ect... Their last combined attack actually got to J-Man, but he used a clone....??? I'm giving more consideration to the idea that J-Man isn't dead...
    See if they left it as him writing on the toad, and end, then id believe he was alive, but the entire dead speech, and his book, and the death fitting a shinobi...Just seems to make it 100% real.
     
         

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    NARUTO CAN MAKE MORE THAN 4 CLONES , THE TOAD ONLY SAID THIS BECAUSE HE WAS LEARNING TO CONTROL THE ENERGY, IF HE LOST CONTROL HE WOULD BECOME A TOAD BUT HE CAN CONTROL THE POWER NOW, SO HE SHOULD BE FREE TO CREATE MORE CLONES. THE

    i DON'T THINK IS ANYTHING LIKE THE OTHER JUTSU HE DOES

    I THINK ITS MORE LIKE A VIOLENT STORM THAT CUTS ANYTHING AROUND, IT MAY BE NARUTO'S FIRST LONG-RANGE ATTACK
     
         

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    I also agree that naruto can make sage clones to fight the six and use space time jutsu to find the real pain.''o and these clones won;t pop with one hit

    yes that jutsu was made for recon but naruto can change it to attack based because of his high energy level.
     
         

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