Current Naruto vs. Itachi

[Inception]

Well thats complete BS, of course he was afraid of fighting jyraiya. Kisame saying they were on the same level? wouldn't that mean the fight could go either way? Also Itachi was keeping his fighting to the minimal, the poor sod was on a schedule, and he could not afford to go spamming MS techs like sasuke did! Furthermore how did Kisame knew jyraiya's true power? I don't remember seing anything like that in the manga (serious question not doubting what you claim)...
Although you could say that itachi simply did not fight Jiraiya because it would put Naruto and the leaf in a worrse position!
Itachi was not stupid enough to not fear Jyraiya, who it can be argued was the strongest of the sannin, at least thats my opinion.

lol the manga and the anime aren't the same.

In the manga, Kisame states why "running is necessary" for someone like Itachi. Hell, even Kisame can take Jiraiya on. The fact is, they were both capable of killing Jiraiya right then. Itachi and Kisame were very capable of killing Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai and Gai but why did he ask Kisame to leave? He never intended to fight. Refer back to the manga please.

Also to point out your feared Jiraiya theory. Kisame was more excited than scared when Jiraiya popped up. Itachi didn't stop beating up Sasuke. He even broke through the "inescapable" toad stomach and Jiraiya was left in awe.

To disprove your theory even more; Itachi defeated Orochimaru when Orochimaru was in his prime. Oro was as strong as Jiraiya and Itachi beat him without a scratch. He even cut off his arm that had the Akatsuki ring on it hence making Oro flee Akatsuki.

And finally, here's the manga link enjoy
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/148/7

and I'd say Itachi wins. He was not only fast but the best at Genjutsu and Naruto is still weak vs. genjutsus. Furthermore, he was a genius and a prodigy, he can outsmart Naruto.

[Stampy]

Not to mention the fact that Jiraiya had NO IDEA what amateresu was at the time... how could he have possibly dodged it when the time would have come?
Anyways let's not get into a jiraiya vs itachi, when clearly, this is a Naruto vs Itachi!
We haven't seen Naruto train for FTG. It just happened. Maybe naruto would also instinctively figure out a way out of genjutsu using kyubi. That would take care of Tsukoyomi (Though he would need the skills of Bee, his new master btw... to get away from it.) But Naruto knows better than looking a MS in the eye now thanks to past experiences... With kyuubi mode he could dodge anything now. I think only a fool would say otherwise... not only was he able to almost keep up with A.... BUT he can ALSO teleport...

Yeah great Itachi has MS, so maybe he can see Naruto move. But even if you do see it, the sharingan user still needs to be fast enough to dodge. Which has nothing to do with the eyes, but the body. And special jutsus. During the fight against Sasuke.. Itachi couldn't avoid a rigged shuriken (Yes because he was sick... but it gives an idea that though he was fast, he wasn't that fast)

He may also use rasenshurikens... (for all those yata mirrors fan LOL... YES that shield IS going to repell EVERY SINGLE attacks.... that hits the shield.... If you're as fast as naruto and don't have the IQ of a 5 yo maybe you will hit Susano'o somewhere OTHER than where the shield is hu?!) Which I believe could do severe damages against susano'o. (but who knows? maybe not. In which case Naruto could simply run away until Itachi's susano'o disapears.)

Stamina wise I think Naruto wins if the fight lasts.

[Anub]

Not to mention the fact that Jiraiya had NO IDEA what amateresu was at the time... how could he have possibly dodged it when the time would have come?
Anyways let's not get into a jiraiya vs itachi, when clearly, this is a Naruto vs Itachi!
We haven't seen Naruto train for FTG. It just happened. Maybe naruto would also instinctively figure out a way out of genjutsu using kyubi. That would take care of Tsukoyomi (Though he would need the skills of Bee, his new master btw... to get away from it.) But Naruto knows better than looking a MS in the eye now thanks to past experiences... With kyuubi mode he could dodge anything now. I think only a fool would say otherwise... not only was he able to almost keep up with A.... BUT he can ALSO teleport...

Yeah great Itachi has MS, so maybe he can see Naruto move. But even if you do see it, the sharingan user still needs to be fast enough to dodge. Which has nothing to do with the eyes, but the body. And special jutsus. During the fight against Sasuke.. Itachi couldn't avoid a rigged shuriken (Yes because he was sick... but it gives an idea that though he was fast, he wasn't that fast)

He may also use rasenshurikens... (for all those yata mirrors fan LOL... YES that shield IS going to repell EVERY SINGLE attacks.... that hits the shield.... If you're as fast as naruto and don't have the IQ of a 5 yo maybe you will hit Susano'o somewhere OTHER than where the shield is hu?!) Which I believe could do severe damages against susano'o. (but who knows? maybe not. In which case Naruto could simply run away until Itachi's susano'o disapears.)

Stamina wise I think Naruto wins if the fight lasts.

about the bold part : the shield can mold its shape, so for all we know it can fully surround susanoo.

[Stampy]

about the bold part : the shield can mold its shape, so for all we know it can fully surround susanoo.

Here is the shield: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/4
Now I definately heard/read it that the yata mirror could change its matter to counter more efficiently attacks of different elements. I must have missed the part where they say it can change shape/size. Maybe you can actually link me the page that says so in the manga?

[DigitalMonster]

I am saying that Naruto has a way to fight Itachi without falling for a genjutsu. The data book can say that itachi's speed is 5 out of 5, but he is not faster or even close to Naruto's speed.

Sakura is probably going to surpass tsunade. B surpassing A, Chouji surpassing his father. Each new generation gets stronger than the previous one.

Great points see you in another thread.

sorry but our conversation ain't over yet,
how can he dodge amaterasu, still?he can't sense it because it's KG and it's an instant attack.
btw tsunade isn't dead yet.

[Gin-San]

Naruto

1. He won't fall against Genjutsu
2. He can avoid Susano'o just by running everywhere until it's over
3. Well, don't anymore

[Stampy]

sorry but our conversation ain't over yet,
how can he dodge amaterasu, still?he can't sense it because it's KG and it's an instant attack.
btw tsunade isn't dead yet.

Raikage can avoid it, Naruto can avoid Raikage... Naruto can avoid Amateresu.

[tabizzle]

Just because sasuke has the ability to predict moves doesn't mean he can dodge them. Naruto's faster than the raikage, and possibly even faster than 4th hokage. Dont forget that he can also use tailed beast rasengan and woop susanoo's ass to smithereens (he'll probably master it on the spot). and im guessing genjutsu wont have any effect on naruto since the 9 tails is constantly giving him power.

[Stampy]

Just because sasuke has the ability to predict moves doesn't mean he can dodge them. Naruto's faster than the raikage, and possibly even faster than 4th hokage. Dont forget that he can also use tailed beast rasengan and woop susanoo's ass to smithereens (he'll probably master it on the spot). and im guessing genjutsu wont have any effect on naruto since the 9 tails is constantly giving him power.

pretty much

[DigitalMonster]

Raikage can avoid it, Naruto can avoid Raikage... Naruto can avoid Amateresu.

i'm referring to his response which said that naruto can>itachi without opening his eyes

[Klaus]

naruto would win itachis ms wont work now that naruto knows how it works

[Stampy]

i'm referring to his response which said that naruto can>itachi without opening his eyes

my bad.

[Anub]

Here is the shield: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/4
Now I definately heard/read it that the yata mirror could change its matter to counter more efficiently attacks of different elements. I must have missed the part where they say it can change shape/size. Maybe you can actually link me the page that says so in the manga?

All I can give you is this : http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yata_Mirror

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in it's left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective. Zetsu claimed that this, combined with the Sword of Totsuka held in its right hand, essentially made Susanoo invincible.

I would also like to point out the fact that a low chakra Itachi survived a Kirin and I doubt he did it without the shield.

[Stampy]

All I can give you is this : http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yata_Mirror

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in it's left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective. Zetsu claimed that this, combined with the Sword of Totsuka held in its right hand, essentially made Susanoo invincible.

I would also like to point out the fact that a low chakra Itachi survived a Kirin and I doubt he did it without the shield.

Again, where does it says the shield can change form/size? Nowhere, so we can ONLY assume that it remains the same as shown.

Now it is good that Susano'o survived kirin(Kirin came from above and in front, so generally in the same direction as the shield). Danzo created a breach in Sasuke's susano'o, with a lesser attack than kirin I'd say. Raikage's punch cracked the Susano'o ribs... and so on, and so forth. As long as you don't hit the shield Susano'o is breachable.

Surely the tailed beast bomb (Which destroyed more of Konoha's already destroyed field than Kirin.) and the Rasenshuriken will deal damage to Susano'o if not sent against the shield, which we have NO reasons to believe, can change shapes/size.

[Inception]

Again, where does it says the shield can change form/size? Nowhere, so we can ONLY assume that it remains the same as shown.

Now it is good that Susano'o survived kirin(Kirin came from above and in front, so generally in the same direction as the shield). Danzo created a breach in Sasuke's susano'o, with a lesser attack than kirin I'd say. Raikage's punch cracked the Susano'o ribs... and so on, and so forth. As long as you don't hit the shield Susano'o is breachable.

Surely the tailed beast bomb (Which destroyed more of Konoha's already destroyed field than Kirin.) and the Rasenshuriken will deal damage to Susano'o if not sent against the shield, which we have NO reasons to believe, can change shapes/size.

Let's stop comparing Sasuke's incomplete Susano'o vs. Itachi's complete Susano'o with the 2 spirit items. You CAN'T compare Sasuke's fights with Itachi's Susano'o. Yes, Susano'o is shown to be penetrable but you have to remember that it was an incomplete version of Susano'o and that it didn't have the mirror. Secondly, Zetsu confirmed that Yata's Mirror repels ALL attacks. Kirin came from above but Itachi was able to use Susano'o/ Yata's Mirror in a matter of seconds. Kirin actually destroyed the whole battlefield and Itachi still survived; meaning Kirin hit all around him.

Stop comparing Sasuke to Itachi. His Susano'o was incomplete when he fought Raikage and Danzo and he has no spirit items.

[Animeisalive]

Let's stop comparing Sasuke's incomplete Susano'o vs. Itachi's complete Susano'o with the 2 spirit items. You CAN'T compare Sasuke's fights with Itachi's Susano'o. Yes, Susano'o is shown to be penetrable but you have to remember that it was an incomplete version of Susano'o and that it didn't have the mirror. Secondly, Zetsu confirmed that Yata's Mirror repels ALL attacks. Kirin came from above but Itachi was able to use Susano'o/ Yata's Mirror in a matter of seconds. Kirin actually destroyed the whole battlefield and Itachi still survived; meaning Kirin hit all around him.

Stop comparing Sasuke to Itachi. His Susano'o was incomplete when he fought Raikage and Danzo and he has no spirit items.

when did it show itachi use the mirror for kirin? all i saw was the aura

[psukkar]

you sound like you're making a statement, but in fact it's just an opinion. don't see how naruto would be able to penetrate susanoo. And Sasuke is always a bit stronger than Naruto because that's how this manga works. Naruto will only gain the edge through determination when it's going to be time to fight.

lol you don't see how naruto could damage sassano? lol thats a laugh,

Sassano has good defenses, but no defense is unbeatable.

We have seen danzo and other kages damage sassano, also itachi's use of yata mirror while using sassano is proof that sassano isn't as invincble as most would think.

Also what do you think madara's view about sassano is after his battle about his fight with harasihma?

[MilleniumStorm4]

lol really? itachi already handled him...he cant stop genjutsu....hes dead

[alexsimpson]

i think naruto because when he's in sage or kyuubi mode he could probably just close his eyes and sence where itachi is, therefore itachi wouldnt be able to use his Tsukuyomi or basikly any other genjustu on naruto

[DigitalMonster]

just feels like to say that a clone of itachi owned naruto

[alexsimpson]

just feels like to say that a clone of itachi owned naruto

and since then naruto has learnd to use his clones better and made the rasenshuriken and learnd to use sage chakra and learnd to controle the kyuubi and with that a crap load of new tachs

[DigitalMonster]

and since then naruto has learnd to use his clones better and made the rasenshuriken and learnd to use sage chakra and learnd to controle the kyuubi and with that a crap load of new tachs

i think naruto had forgotten that incident since his mind never switches on unless when it comes to sasuke.
btw,itachi's clone can explode

[Stampy]

Let's stop comparing Sasuke's incomplete Susano'o vs. Itachi's complete Susano'o with the 2 spirit items. You CAN'T compare Sasuke's fights with Itachi's Susano'o. Yes, Susano'o is shown to be penetrable but you have to remember that it was an incomplete version of Susano'o and that it didn't have the mirror. Secondly, Zetsu confirmed that Yata's Mirror repels ALL attacks. Kirin came from above but Itachi was able to use Susano'o/ Yata's Mirror in a matter of seconds. Kirin actually destroyed the whole battlefield and Itachi still survived; meaning Kirin hit all around him.

Stop comparing Sasuke to Itachi. His Susano'o was incomplete when he fought Raikage and Danzo and he has no spirit items.

Yes, yata mirror repells all attacks, which hits the shield. if it doesn't touch the yata mirror I frankly don't see how it could stop the attack mmm?

[alexsimpson]

i think naruto had forgotten that incident since his mind never switches on unless when it comes to sasuke.
btw,itachi's clone can explode

i think naruto would be able to get away from the clone before it done tht or just destoy it with his speed now and kyubbi mode he sould be able to surve those cone explosions whith minimum damage, baring in mind he surived a direct punch from the raikage

[DigitalMonster]

lol you don't see how naruto could damage sassano? lol thats a laugh,

Sassano has good defenses, but no defense is unbeatable.

We have seen danzo and other kages damage sassano, also itachi's use of yata mirror while using sassano is proof that sassano isn't as invincble as most would think.

Also what do you think madara's view about sassano is after his battle about his fight with harasihma?

itachi's susanoo is impenetrable

bottom panel 

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/393/11
itachi's susanoo is gazillion times better than sasuke's.
and whats madara doing here?