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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    i will go with temari.
    i don't think anko can fight in long range and its kinda hard to get close to temari so she would win.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    Since when does Anko know fire techniques? I don't remember her ever using them! Then again, it's been a long time since I've seen her fighting Orochimaru.
    First part of the series, anime only arc Land of the Sea I believe. Check the Naruto wiki.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    nice job reborn. lolitaninja you are basing the intelligence on databook one which was during part one which was three years ago in the show's timeline. and overall anko is stronger in the first databook than temari is in the third and thats not even taking in to account how much stronger anko has gotten in the three years, just saying. here is my evidence:

    in part 1 temari lost pretty decidedly to shikamaru and her battle against sasuke was a joke as she was beaten in seconds. at that point neither shikamaru nor sasuke were stronger than anko. this means anko over temari in part 1. in part 2 temari is a jonin and was presumably made chunin after exames. this proves the point about ranks being worthless as sasuke beat her and stayed a genin. now back to temari. in part 2 we have not seen any of her new abilities that she gained during the three year time-skip. as such the only thing we know for sure is that anko over temari in part 1 so anko over temari in part 2. we can't assume that temari is insanely stronger than she was in part 1. anything otherwise would be pure conjecture as to temari's new strength which we know not of.
     
         
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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    First part of the series, anime only arc Land of the Sea I believe. Check the Naruto wiki.
    Fillers don't count! They were not the intention of the author! And Naruto wiki is purely fan-made, meaning some information may not be credible.

    ...Oh and Futur3cha0s, that Temari vs. Sasuke fight was pure filler.
     
         
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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    Fillers don't count! They were not the intention of the author! And Naruto wiki is purely fan-made, meaning some information may not be credible.
    I count fillers and it's staying in my argument, and I want to know how it wasn't the intention of the author if he has genearl control over series itself. Another thing about the wiki sure things can be fan-made but since it has been seen it's not fiction and that site has been reliable for the most part in relaying truthful information about the series and is used as reliable source by many people on this base.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    I count fillers and it's staying in my argument, and I want to know how it wasn't the intention of the author if he has genearl control over series itself. Another thing about the wiki sure things can be fan-made but since it has been seen it's not fiction and that site has been reliable for the most part in relaying truthful information about the series and is used as reliable source by many people on this base.
    But that's the thing, Kishimoto just approved of the fillers being made, he didn't actually write the storylines for the episodes (I believe that's why they're fillers...unless I'm wrong).
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    Fillers don't count! They were not the intention of the author! And Naruto wiki is purely fan-made, meaning some information may not be credible.

    ...Oh and Futur3cha0s, that Temari vs. Sasuke fight was pure filler.
    huh i didnt know that thanks for telling me. my argument still stands though because anko>shikamaru>temari in part 1 so it remains the same in part 2 until othewise stated. oh and what did you mean about people deciding who is stronger based on feats? what were you basing temari on?
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    I love how you people are not explaining how Anko beats Temari! It only proves you're ignorant bias. Actually, I stand corrected what I said before, rank actually means shit in Naruto. I'm looking at their jutsus and what was shown on screen because that's all we can go on really. Based on that information alone, Temari should take this fairly easily. (Waits for someone with common sense on this thread).
    hm, well i really disagree with bolded statement, as Naruto himself is Genin, so they don´t really mean a lot.

    than back to topic, i must say that FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, we can presume that anko is short to mid-range fighter, temari on the other hand is long-range fighter, so she wins
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    But that's the thing, Kishimoto just approved of the fillers being made, he didn't actually write the storylines for the episodes (I believe that's why they're fillers...unless I'm wrong).
    If he had any serious objections like jutsu a certian shinobi could use I'd believe he'd say something and as for my belief I don't believe that the author is left out of the making of the anime, meaning that he's not going to see it the first time when we see it and be like wtf I didn't know you were going to do this. I believe even if he's not involved in the actual making of the fillers that he's aware of them and what they contain as well.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

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    huh i didnt know that thanks for telling me. my argument still stands though because anko>shikamaru>temari in part 1 so it remains the same in part 2 until othewise stated. oh and what did you mean about people deciding who is stronger based on feats? what were you basing temari on?
    I was basing Temari on what she has shown in the anime/manga. That fight with Tayuya, Tenten (Even if the fight wasn't detailed in the manga, at least it was shown that she fought her and won), and Shikamaru. By the way, you must admit she put up an impressive fight with Shikamaru. But if you ask me, I think Temari would have won that match anyway because Shikamaru said himself that he was running low on chakra and wouldn't have been able to hold the shadow for much longer. Shikamaru backed out because he knew he was bound to lose anyway. But of course Kishimoto, being apparently a bit sexist, didn't want to show a girl defeating a boy. At least that's my take on it.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    kishi writes the databooks correct? if so we can make a few deductions
    1. anko is 25 overall in part 1
    2. temari is 24.5 overall in part 2
    3. anko's progression over time-skip has not been taken in to account
    4. anko in part one and for sure in part 2 is stronger than temari in part 2 according to databook and kishi

    oh and shikamaru would have beaten temari she said so herself, thats why she wants a re-match. shikamaru was just trying to justify quitting.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Futur3Cha0s View Post
    kishi writes the databooks correct? if so we can make a few deductions
    1. anko is 25 overall in part 1
    2. temari is 24.5 overall in part 2
    3. anko's progression over time-skip has not been taken in to account
    4. anko in part one and for sure in part 2 is stronger than temari in part 2 according to databook and kishi

    oh and shikamaru would have beaten temari she said so herself, thats why she wants a re-match. shikamaru was just trying to justify quitting.
    So you basing your decision on stats alone?! As I said before, stats mean nothing because then it would be like everything is predetermined with no room for imagination. Just because Anko has higher stats doesn't mean she automatically wins! It all boils down to what jutsus are used and to me, Temari's attacks seem stronger thatn Anko's. Anko's a close range fighter, giving her a major disadvantage against a long ranged fighter like Temari. I'm sure Temari would blow away any attacks Anko throws at her and if Anko tries to get too close, Temari would blow her away as well.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    let's put it simple

    if it is on the forest i'm sure there are many bushes and trees... True temari can blow away the whole forest.... FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE TREE but not the part below that is stuck with roots...... as seen when she saved shikamaru from one of the sound 5

    what this tells us? simple that anko after feeling a little wind from temari she might be able to notice what her jutsu is about and most likely she will lie down in the floor, summon a group of snakes that will go without notice through the bushes and stuff and bite temari with poison xD just to put it simple......
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    So you basing your decision on stats alone?! As I said before, stats mean nothing because then it would be like everything is predetermined with no room for imagination. Just because Anko has higher stats doesn't mean she automatically wins! It all boils down to what jutsus are used and to me, Temari's attacks seem stronger thatn Anko's. Anko's a close range fighter, giving her a major disadvantage against a long ranged fighter like Temari. I'm sure Temari would blow away any attacks Anko throws at her and if Anko tries to get too close, Temari would blow her away as well.
    Like I've said before range of fighting style is a factor in where each character is at the moment. If the battle starts out at close range Temari is at a disadvantage against Anko, as well both have the same genearl speed so Anko could keep her in range of her attacks and out of range for Temari's attack and the same can be said if the battle started out at long ranged and Temari could safely remain in range for her own attacks. A close range fighter isn't at a disadvantage to a Long ranged fighter by deffinition only if the shinobi that fights long ranged is in her range to begin with same with close and mid ranged. Another thing power isn't a deciding factor in everything. Jutsu that specialize in overwhelming power can be defeated by a jutsu that does not infact have a lot of power so long as the shinobi is more skilled in their jutsu craft and know how to use their techniques better then the other can use theirs.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by lolitaninja View Post
    So you basing your decision on stats alone?! As I said before, stats mean nothing because then it would be like everything is predetermined with no room for imagination. Just because Anko has higher stats doesn't mean she automatically wins! It all boils down to what jutsus are used and to me, Temari's attacks seem stronger thatn Anko's. Anko's a close range fighter, giving her a major disadvantage against a long ranged fighter like Temari. I'm sure Temari would blow away any attacks Anko throws at her and if Anko tries to get too close, Temari would blow her away as well.
    not basing it on stats alone just the fact that anko is a better all around ninja. and if stats from the creator of the show doesn't matter then neither does the type of fighter someone is. furthermore, we haven't seen all of anko's abilities yet so to assume that temari would win is pure conjecture. whereas i have stats which are the only facts being presented in this argument, these facts show anko is better and thus she wins. is this guaranteed? no it is not because one can always imagine a situation where temari can win this battle. but not trying to imagine a situation and imagination aside, anko is the better ninja and so she wins.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    and where is this stuff about anko being a close or mid-range fighter. i have never heard or read anything about that. just assuming that she is a certain type of fighter from the limited abilities that we have seen is a mistake. also, she wasn't in the close or mid-range party for the allied shinobi forces. she was in the infiltration and reconnaissance party that was supposed to find kabuto and investigate the akatsuki hideout (source:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Infiltr...aissance_Party
    furthermore she was the captain of the team not yamato who was known for being the most skilled anbu at the time, as stated by tsunade when she said that he had the best anbu record which made the 3rd hokage trust him the most. if we do have to label anko as a certain type of fighter i'd say assassin or something like what zabuza was (not saying she is as good as zabuza just that she has similar abilities) as stealth is required for both assassination and infiltration.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Futur3Cha0s View Post
    and where is this stuff about anko being a close or mid-range fighter. i have never heard or read anything about that. just assuming that she is a certain type of fighter from the limited abilities that we have seen is a mistake. also, she wasn't in the close or mid-range party for the allied shinobi forces. she was in the infiltration and reconnaissance party that was supposed to find kabuto and investigate the akatsuki hideout (source:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Infiltr...aissance_Party
    furthermore she was the captain of the team not yamato who was known for being the most skilled anbu at the time, as stated by tsunade when she said that he had the best anbu record which made the 3rd hokage trust him the most. if we do have to label anko as a certain type of fighter i'd say assassin or something like what zabuza was (not saying she is as good as zabuza just that she has similar abilities) as stealth is required for both assassination and infiltration.
    I agree with your saying of her being more of an assassin. However the unit she was in was more of an espionage unit as she was only to keep an eye on Kabuto and find out what he was doing, not to actually assassinate him. Also the reason most people (including myself) believe that Anko is a close and mid ranged fighter is for the fact of her abilities, demonstrated were all within that calibur. I'm not ruling out any possibilities that she could have long ranged ninjutsu only that the facts are her jutsu are close ranged and in a discussion like this where we can only be sure of certian things we can be sure that the techniques in her arsanol are close ranged and have been demonstrated to be main source of combat. Also if you read my other post you'll see that what range a fighter is doesn't automatically decide the battle
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    I agree with your saying of her being more of an assassin. However the unit she was in was more of an espionage unit as she was only to keep an eye on Kabuto and find out what he was doing, not to actually assassinate him. Also the reason most people (including myself) believe that Anko is a close and mid ranged fighter is for the fact of her abilities, demonstrated were all within that calibur. I'm not ruling out any possibilities that she could have long ranged ninjutsu only that the facts are her jutsu are close ranged and in a discussion like this where we can only be sure of certian things we can be sure that the techniques in her arsanol are close ranged and have been demonstrated to be main source of combat. Also if you read my other post you'll see that what range a fighter is doesn't automatically decide the battle
    i know type of fighter doesnt decide outcome it is only a factor as you said. and im not saying she was supposed to assassinate him only that her skills of infiltration were more similar to an assassin than any other type of ninja. i looked up her jutsu too and it seems she can use the summoning jutsu. this would definitely help her out in a long ranged battle and would make temari focus on more than one enemy perhaps giving anko the opening she needs to get close.
     
         

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Futur3Cha0s View Post
    i know type of fighter doesnt decide outcome it is only a factor as you said. and im not saying she was supposed to assassinate him only that her skills of infiltration were more similar to an assassin than any other type of ninja. i looked up her jutsu too and it seems she can use the summoning jutsu. this would definitely help her out in a long ranged battle and would make temari focus on more than one enemy perhaps giving anko the opening she needs to get close.
    I understand, stealth and espionage are more of an assassins game like you say. Most of her jutsu (seen) are based of the innitial summoning technique (the mutual death summoning a snake to kill both shinobi and the striking shadow snakes summon multiple snakes from hidden beneath the sleveevs) it can be assumed from her mastery of derived techniques that she's also proficient enough in the orriginal technique itslef to summon fairly large serpents like Manda (although he's dead he wasn't the only giant serpent).

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    Re: Temari vs. Anko

    Quote Originally Posted by Guildmage View Post
    let's put it simple

    if it is on the forest i'm sure there are many bushes and trees... True temari can blow away the whole forest.... FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE TREE but not the part below that is stuck with roots...... as seen when she saved shikamaru from one of the sound 5

    what this tells us? simple that anko after feeling a little wind from temari she might be able to notice what her jutsu is about and most likely she will lie down in the floor, summon a group of snakes that will go without notice through the bushes and stuff and bite temari with poison xD just to put it simple......
    Even if Temari can blow down trees from the middle, they can still hit the ground. Unless Anko can somehow fly above the falling trees, then it would be difficult for her to escape. And don't just assume Temari is just going to stand idily as Anko sends her snakes up to her. As I said before, Temari is a keen strategist so she can sense when someone or something is trying to sneak up behind her. Also, you never explained how Anko would survive the wind attacks. She has not shown any defense for this. The attacks along with the wind trampled Tayuya so there is no reason it wouldn't do the same to Anko.
     
         

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