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    Sasuke is a man of honor!

    Yea right!............... Is a trap!

    -Naruto \ Sakura \ Sasuke

    Most readers are aware of how the relationship between these three started.
    Naruto likes Sakura, Sakura likes Sasuke, Sasuke likes......................No one.
    He was better then both of them in terms of overall skill from the beginning...
    He was supirior physically and was at Sakura's lvl with intelligence and knowledge. One of the last standing from noble legendary clan, having people to like you without you even trying, all in all Sasuke was more superior to both of them. Constantly being in the center of attention.
    On top of all that he has been disrespectful towards them for all their lives, showed extremely little compassion and respect for being the underdogs, teased them unnecessarily, over shined them, and then abandoned them seeking power without a proper goodbye. After going after him for so long, risking their lives countless times, fought, got hurt, brought pain on others, waited. They have done anything in their power and were determined to "save" him. A man who has created his own team, walking around with more power then Naruto could imagine.

    Continuing....

    -Sasuke & Orochimaru

    Take Orochimaru as an example. Hes cold, cruel, slightly sarcastic, very sadistic and above all else, Orochimaru cares only for his goals. BUT when he was fighting his former teacher, he still had respect for the Third Hokage, he called him Sarutobi sensei, acknowledging that in Sarutobi's prime he would have lost.

    In Sasuke's case, when he attempted to kill Orochimaru, not only did he attack him on his bed while being I'll and unable to even move, he came with a preach about his clan and how inferior the likes of Orochimaru is in front of Uchiha and how Orochimaru had lost his ways and is going to get killed.

    Now, what the hell happened to the 3 years this man dedicated his time on training him and giving him power?. Even though it was obvious and too expected that this day would have come. As he started disrespecting Orochimaru verbally from start and expected to get stronger by Orochimaru's help. Even after Kabuto was constantly reminding him to comprehend the position that hes in, he still chose to oversee that Orochimaru could demolish him any second. It's really pointless to say that Orochimaru is not worth respecting as Kishi has shown that many of Orochimaru's subordinates seem to admire and respect him, and have proven that he can be respected.



    While Sasuke seems to at first acknowledge Orochimaru's powers, and demands that Orochimaru teach him jutsu's and later on when he got what he wanted, attacked Orochimaru in his bed.. "took over" him.. Even after losing on the physical plane. It was obvious Orochimaru allowed himself to be cut up by Sasuke, but when the venom the snakes produced and took effect and paralyzed Sasuke he could off cut Sasuke's head off. The risk Sasuke took there was too huge, but that didn't stop him from continuing disrespecting...

    He went out freeing his hostages ruining his labs and walking on his land spreading rumors that he killed Orochiamru.

    How disrespectful can he get?. Lets say he killed him. His last words to the man who made him quite powerful would be "You're nothing in front of these eyes" ?


    What is Kishi trying to show us by making this character betrayed people who are willing to die for him such as Naruto, Sakura and the whole village? Even if it is to build the plot and their 'bond', he could have been cold yet honorable, at least showing a hint of respect and acknowledgment... But no, instead hes stubborn, extremely arrogant and disrespectful to the people he should respect, even if he hates them, on top of that he has only one track mind.

    Only time he acknowledges someone's strength is when he is nearly killed and stumped on!
    At first he is like; "You're sh*t and I'm going to kill you loser" and later on : "Ok I acknowledge you" ... Examples are Naruto, Deidara and Killerbee...

    At first I thought, oh well it serves his purpose in the plot, but then if things are going to end in peace with him surviving how can he be forgivable when he messed up so much..>_>

    If he's going to retain any honor, he must do something major at the end...
    Like sacrificing his life or something and die on the way..

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    cool
    good job sensei
     
         

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    I understand wat u r saying. But when he killed Oro, then he said he despised him or sum other crap. Kakashi had faith in him, even going as far as telling him secrets that he didn't share with the rest of the team.
     
         

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    Wrong about one thing: Sasuke having far more power than Naruto could ever imagine. 1)I am pretty sure Naruto would kick Sasuke's ass now.
    2)Naruto has the 9tails, so technically Naruto has more stamina and power than Sasuke could ever imagine.
     
         

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    Another point of view

    I agree that Sasuke shouldn’t have been disrespectful towards his friends in Team 7, and that he is arrogant.

    But I have another point of view regarding Orochimaru.

    Orochimaru is no man of honour. He is not a sensei: a sensei is someone who can be hard on you as he trains you, but respects you as a human being. He considers you his pupil.

    Orochimaru considers people to be tools. He gathers them for his own goals and uses their lives, literally. Sasuke (and most of us) may have thought he was going of his own free will… but Oro first bites him to leave the cursed seal on his body. Remember that at the forest, Sasuke becomes possessed by the seal and Sakura is able to stop him? He is 12 by then, he cannot control the urge to kill the seal gives him. Sasuke has an urge to kill Itachi to revenge, and if you tell me he is childish, think about how societies react: a country feels attacked by another, and just pays back the attack to revenge. We have seen several examples in world affairs lately. So why shouldn’t a 12 year old guy react with revenge?

    I’m angry with Sasuke right now, but because he wants to attack Konoha. But I was glad when he took Orochimaru, to me he is a hero for that: even if he is surrounded by people who even worship Oro, and call him master, he does not let himself be influenced by them and takes Oro for what he is: an self-centered guy who wants to be eternal by taking his body, no sensei at all. A dictator who has created a small kingdom of his own and had lots of people jailed to be used as future tools. And he was 16. You cannot betray someone you have not sworn loyalty to, you cannot betray someone who uses you as a tool. Moreover, he does so even if he had the cursed seal.

    If someone says he hates Sasuke for being so hard on Naruto and Sakura, I understand. But those who hate him for defeating Oro are just trying to find an excuse. Oro is no reason to hate him, but to respect him. Sasuke releases all the prisoners, instead of using them to make his own army.

    I almost forgot another point: Sasuke realizes that Naruto has been searching for him, but there's no way he can guess how hard he has to train for that, as he has not been in Konoha for so long. He may not know everything Naruto and Sakura went through, he just thinks they have been searching for him all these years.
     
         
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    well its no secret to NB my feelings on sasuke but i understand what shodaime is saying sasuke has no respect even if you hate an foe you have respect for them just like the samurai do the respect friend and foe.plus im no mad at sasuke for killing oro but its the disrespectfulness and the arrogant attitude. everyone knows if oro was full power sasuke didnt stand a chance
     
         

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    Right. When it comes to Orochimaru, Sasuke's delusional ass probably felt that Orochimaru didn't deserve the body of an Uchiha, so Sasuke felt that Orochimaru should be thanking him for giving the sannin a chance at true greatness.
     
         

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    i love the name of this thread ^^
     
         

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    yo guys check this out and this shows what sasuke and itachi really are

    http://fc41.deviantart.com/fs29/f/20..._TetraGyom.swf




    more?

    check this:

    http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/343704

    clik watch this muvie
     
         
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    he will probably have impregnated like either sakura or the ohter girl in hebi
    and he will be like i have a son so even if i sacrifice my self my son we continue
    the clan and then he will give up his life for naruto then naruto will train sasukes son!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoWind View Post
    Wrong about one thing: Sasuke having far more power than Naruto could ever imagine. 1)I am pretty sure Naruto would kick Sasuke's ass now.
    2)Naruto has the 9tails, so technically Naruto has more stamina and power than Sasuke could ever imagine.
    and also i agrea with him
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoWind View Post
    Wrong about one thing: Sasuke having far more power than Naruto could ever imagine. 1)I am pretty sure Naruto would kick Sasuke's ass now.
    2)Naruto has the 9tails, so technically Naruto has more stamina and power than Sasuke could ever imagine.


    agreed to this 1

    that really makes a point
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoWind View Post
    Wrong about one thing: Sasuke having far more power than Naruto could ever imagine. 1)I am pretty sure Naruto would kick Sasuke's ass now.
    2)Naruto has the 9tails, so technically Naruto has more stamina and power than Sasuke could ever imagine.
    wrong. in the manga this question is beginning to become interesting cause the sage mode, but after all, ameratsu is a one-shoot-dead-attack, nearly unblockable and deadly. so we'll have to see what new powers naruto has before anyone of us can definitely say who'll beat whom.
    when they first meet in the anime, sasuke was going to kill the whole team without any problem, when oro stops him. No one of them could have beat him neither in taijutsu nor in ninjutsu nor in genjutsu (never saw yamato casting a genjutsu).
    the fox seems to have a big weakness against the sharingan. first madara controlled him and later sasuke surpressed him.

    sasuke is arrogant because he doesn't want to have bonds to others. that's why he tries to cut them. on the one hand, the child that never had a real childhood since he was six craves for someone to trust, but on the other hand he has his aim, implanted by his older brother, doesn't allows him to have bonds to people who could slow him down. he simply doesn't want to have somebody who could dissuade him from his aim. that's why he abandons the village, he notices that he gets to close to the others.
    revenge is a morality itself, and sasuke is focussed on this aim completely.
    as somebody said, oro is not a mentor or a sensei, but a tool, which looks at sasuke in the same way. it's something like a community of interest, not a deeper relationship between master and pupil. since the beginning it was totally clear that this community will end with the death of one of these two. sasuke was just more powerful (or less weakened) at this time.
    I totally agree with all persons who can't accept his words in the last few chapters. this behavior is childish and i can't really understand, why kishi let sasuke go this way. sasuke should be intelligent enough to realize when he just searchs for a guy to give the guilt for what happened, especially after he had enough time to think about when he fought the 8-tails. i still hope he's just lieing madara, but i don't really believe it.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revan View Post
    wrong. in the manga this question is beginning to become interesting cause the sage mode, but after all, ameratsu is a one-shoot-dead-attack, nearly unblockable and deadly. so we'll have to see what new powers naruto has before anyone of us can definitely say who'll beat whom.
    when they first meet in the anime, sasuke was going to kill the whole team without any problem, when oro stops him. No one of them could have beat him neither in taijutsu nor in ninjutsu nor in genjutsu (never saw yamato casting a genjutsu).
    the fox seems to have a big weakness against the sharingan. first madara controlled him and later sasuke surpressed him.

    sasuke is arrogant because he doesn't want to have bonds to others. that's why he tries to cut them. on the one hand, the child that never had a real childhood since he was six craves for someone to trust, but on the other hand he has his aim, implanted by his older brother, doesn't allows him to have bonds to people who could slow him down. he simply doesn't want to have somebody who could dissuade him from his aim. that's why he abandons the village, he notices that he gets to close to the others.
    revenge is a morality itself, and sasuke is focussed on this aim completely.
    as somebody said, oro is not a mentor or a sensei, but a tool, which looks at sasuke in the same way. it's something like a community of interest, not a deeper relationship between master and pupil. since the beginning it was totally clear that this community will end with the death of one of these two. sasuke was just more powerful (or less weakened) at this time.
    I totally agree with all persons who can't accept his words in the last few chapters. this behavior is childish and i can't really understand, why kishi let sasuke go this way. sasuke should be intelligent enough to realize when he just searchs for a guy to give the guilt for what happened, especially after he had enough time to think about when he fought the 8-tails. i still hope he's just lieing madara, but i don't really believe it.
    I see you have a Sasuke avatar.
     
         

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